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Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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No, it's not. If my form of protesting was murdering old people, would that be 'legal protesting'?



yeah i think this says it all.
OH NOES, the Law says this protest is Illegal....
well i guess i better give up any hopes of a real future or equality for everyone.
i'd better get back to raping the world to raise wealth for our leaders.




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:28 AM
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Because relevant.

c&p'ing a couple of my posts from a related thread-The Simpsons Give Support for OWS and Anonymous

My Post:
I've been supporting OWS since day 1, but as time has progressed, I'm not sure if I want to be affiliated with it anymore because of the jackasses that have forced themselves into the movement- unions, and undercover bureaucrats/corporation mules- they have defiled OWS using their MSM slaves. bastards.

A reply to my ^ post:
I'd say if you have been close in the Occupy movement since day one, no one can ever question your commitment or desire for change, let alone how far you're willing to go beyond talking about it. I hear you well about how it's continually morphed into something it sure didn't start as...but heck, you've spent what must seem a life time in 'Occupy Camp Time'..lol.. I swear someone ought to study that weird quirk..but I digress.. If your gut is telling you it's time to get distance....I'd just say, don't ignore it to find out what it was warning you about.


My reply to ^ post:
I agree.
It was about 3 weeks into the movement that I started getting a bad taste in my mouth.
I may be relatively young (27) but I've done a lot of living in those 27 years and I've learned that when my instinct fairy starts to flutter, I pay attention.

It makes me sad though that the national/global movement has been tainted.

But I still support my local group...I think they've done a great job here in Dallas, and I've been pleasantly surprised by the way it's been handled by the authorities...

A great article from CNN about Dallas OWS:
Why OCCUPY DALLAS is Different- The Term Sheet

and this:
Occupy Movement Costing Millions...Except for DALLAS at $0.00.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:28 AM
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double post.
edit on 12-12-2011 by ltinycdancerg because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:33 AM
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Thank you that was actually relevant. I started out hating OWS, got to a point where I was a supporter, but when I decided to get involved was repulsed by the behaviors and values of many of the people locally.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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When OWS started telling Ron Paul supporters that they werent welcome I turned my back on the 'movement'. We do need to protest but this movement has been taken over by the very people they're protesting against. Amazingly nobody seems to notice. It did bring to light alot of police brutality though.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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That never happened. They just didn't want Ron Paul supporters spamming their forums and chats with "Ron Paul 2012" because they don't support any politician.

I know, I support both Ron Paul and the protests. I have followed both closely and participated both in helping Pauls campaign and protesting at Occupy.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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Definitely not in my neck of the woods near Cleveland. They are still camping out and destroying the once beautiful landscape of Public Square in Downtown. The city has not evicted them yet (they have permits) as people walk past them without even a glance. They are nothing more than a fixture on the street. Because of that, my local liberal paper, the Cleveland Plain Dealer , thought is was necessary to give them a front page feature in the Business Section of the Sunday issue. Irrelevant. But I liked the ad for the new Mercedes right next to second page wrap up of the article
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The piece should have been placed in the Opinion section of the paper.

They are giving up on the "banksters" and will now be fighting foreclosures. Too Late!!! in Cleveland. Should have been doing that years ago.

www.cleveland.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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I never took them seriously to begin with.

They did not represent my views, therefor they did not represent the 99%. They represented a lazy, filthy, drug induced, socialistic based segment of the population. They targeted the wrong thing, which should have been DC. They allowed infiltration by those who have a leftist agenda, and espoused a lot of that mentality. The 99% are NOT leftists! If you are going to try and portray yourself as the 99%, then you had better damn well reflect the views of the 99%!

And to those who keep arguing over the semantics of occupying the public lands, the Constitution allows for freedom of assembly. It does not allow for taking over public or private land. You want OWS to succeed? Then start by actually changing it to ODC. Become organized with a clear cut message that addresses the sentiment of the 99% and not what a bunch of whining college kids want it to. It was an exercise in futility from the beginning, and as long as it remains on the same track it will continue to be so.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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I would support a new group, with a clear and defined message as long is they didn't illegally protest in public parks.


A perfect example of how the government and media has warped your mind. There's no such thing as protesting illegally, anywhere. the more of an inconvenience to you the better as maybe it will wake you up to what they are saying.

The only people I saw here claiming "ows" would change the world were those claiming "it won't change the world" the rest of us saw it for exactly what it was. A massive demonstration of the frustration being felt throughout the US and other "western" nations.

What do I see OWS as? A means to an end. The last chance the government has to listen to the people before they finally give up entirely on the system.

In that end? Mission accomplished, plenty of people are aware of some of the issues causing the problems we face, and if nothing else, see that plenty of people are willing to do something to change it.

Now what does that mean for all the "ows were too dirty and hippyish to be bothered with" crowd that agrees on some of the issues? Gives them a massive group of people who have proven they are willing to actually do something other than bitch and moan on a blog. You can easily win those people over into following whatever "leader" you decide fits best. Show them the "correct" path to change and we're good to go.

But what OWS really proved to me, and why I take the original OWS (not oakland and some of the others) seriously is that it's shown me how easy it is for the media to manipulate and distort things to make the average non thinking american believe whatever the hell they want.

That is serious. You have to ask, are the opinions you have about OWS pro and con, your own? Did you base them on what the actual OWS people said to you? Or, as most, did you base it on what Fox news or MSNBC told you?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
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It is not really about legal or illegal protesting, it is about getting a point across, making people aware, and doing something, that so many seems unwilling to do anything about. Rather sit at home in front of a pc and complain about problems and issues.

vvv


Forget it, it's lost on them.
They will get what they deserve, they will get 1929 all over again except instead of Berlin it will be here. Not war, cause guess what everyone hates us so much nobody will fight for us. Well they may attack us here on our soil and use the nazi excuse to be here. Much like we did to get involved over in Germany, we really only wanted to plunder them too, and get something out of it, plus we were broke so war gets you loans, you know?
They will see, and be boohooing about the awful state they let this country get into. I will not feel sorry for them not one single bit!



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Certainly I am.

OWS has set the platform for new idea's. It is the voice of discontent. It is presumptuous to assume that we come up with clear and definite solutions at this juncture. Don't underestimate the gravity of the situation. We are out of idea's. This is a time of ideological death. We know the current systems aren't working out. Now we must prove Fukuyama wrong and come up with something better, sustainable and applicable to the modern times we live in.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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So your biggest problem is that you couldnt go to the park? Boo hoo. Suck it up. Walk it off. Man up. Are you truly that ridiculous?

Maybe you and your buddy John Stossel will be happy when they sell all the public parks.And all the roads and infrastructure. And the public owns nothing. It will not be your right to use the park then. You will have to pay the corporations that you cheer for.

I dont think you are stupid enough not to know their message. Granted they dont have msn putting it out to the public.On the contrary,they have msn confusing their message.And try-hard 50 cent army propagandists like yourself helping them along for free.

But do you really think they jusy went away? Or have they taken all that cash they raised to their bunker and are planning their attack on the 2012 elections. Do you really think its a bunch of hippies in tents? You really think there isnt a core that has a stategy? People have very short attention spans. The core knows that. You think this lull wasnt anticipated. Planned for. You will hear from OWS again.

You should get behind them since you are so obsessed with going to the park. You love going to the park dont you?
I cant blame you. If I had to go without parks for even a couple months I dont know what I would do. I dont even want to think about,its too scary a thought. But like I said,if you support the duopoly you will have to pay to use parks before too long because they will not be 'public'. Nothing will be. There will be no more 'public spaces'.
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by Domo1
 


So your biggest problem is that you couldnt go to the park? Boo hoo. Suck it up. Walk it off. Man up. Are you truly that ridiculous?

Maybe you and your buddy John Stossel will be happy when they sell all the public parks.And all the roads and infrastructure. And the public owns nothing. It will not be your right to use the park then. You will have to pay the corporations that you cheer for.

I dont think you are stupid enough not to know their message. Granted they dont have msn putting it out to the public.On the contrary,they have msn confusing their message.And try-hard 50 cent army propagandists like yourself helping them along for free.

But do you really think they jusy went away? Or have they taken all that cash they raised to their bunker and are planning their attack on the 2012 elections. Do you really think its a bunch of hippies in tents? You really think there isnt a core that has a stategy? People have very short attention spans. The core knows that. You think this lull wasnt anticipated. Planned for. You will hear from OWS again.

You should get behind them since you are so obsessed with going to the park. You love going to the park dont you?
I cant blame you. If I had to go without parks for even a couple months I dont know what I would do. I dont even want to think about,its too scary a thought. But like I said,if you support the duopoly you will have to pay to use parks before too long because they will not be 'public'. Nothing will be. There will be no more 'public spaces'.
edit on 12-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo


Seriously I cannot understand why they are so behind Paul. What you just described is exactly what a man like Paul would do. That's his ideology. Hand out everything to the market.

People are going to realize how foolish they have been/



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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Anyone challenging the status quoe is such a threat to you people.


I don't think ANYONE feels threatened by OWS. I'm not defending the status quo, and think things need to change. I just disagreed with the method. So are you still taking the protesters seriously?


You disagree with the method, what method? In your own words, you feel that people shouldn't be "abusing the park", because what if you wanted to go to the park and people ruined it for you..

Cry me a river, are you serious? That is a stupendously pathetic stance that you take. You need to re-adjust your priorities, as there are more important things to consider in this country than whether or not a group of 30,000 people take up 1 of the hundreds of parks in NY. Oh no, they took the park, this violates my quality of life.. boo hoo boo hoo, I'm gonna cry.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
I never took them seriously to begin with.

They did not represent my views, therefor they did not represent the 99%. They represented a lazy, filthy, drug induced, socialistic based segment of the population. They targeted the wrong thing, which should have been DC. They allowed infiltration by those who have a leftist agenda, and espoused a lot of that mentality. The 99% are NOT leftists! If you are going to try and portray yourself as the 99%, then you had better damn well reflect the views of the 99%!

And to those who keep arguing over the semantics of occupying the public lands, the Constitution allows for freedom of assembly. It does not allow for taking over public or private land. You want OWS to succeed? Then start by actually changing it to ODC. Become organized with a clear cut message that addresses the sentiment of the 99% and not what a bunch of whining college kids want it to. It was an exercise in futility from the beginning, and as long as it remains on the same track it will continue to be so.


Its about time people starting calling people like you out for what they are.

You are a traitor.

And a parrot.

That is what people like you reprsent. You cheer for a government that is by your definition socialist. You love Obama dont you? You love the duoploy. You love the status quo. You love socialism.

OWS isnt really a protest. Its a rebellion. Your interpretation of the constitution is debatable and if your founding fathers were alive they would be OWSers.

Supporting the duopoly is an exercise in futlity. More people are aware of that thanks to OWS.
You really think you wont hear from OWS as the 2012 elections nears?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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They are not going far enough. It doesn't do anything if they just sit there camping. Politicians are just laughing at them wasting their time. They need to do something rather than sit, like everyone march to white house and demand meeting with Obama.

If politicians are stupid enough they will rule the martial law, but that would cause even more protests, it will get people pissed out. And I'm sure if military involves, they are on side of people, not government. People pays them, not government.

We are going towards NWO, something need to happen, bankers should participate to balance our economy, whole world economy. They are still getting more money, when whole nations are going towards bankruptcy. We have messed up whole economy if individual people have more money than countries. Rich people use this time to buy low price stocks and sell them when prices are high, so economical depression is good for them. This needs to be ended.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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The main protesters, the long term ones, if they are not getting paid to protest then they don't have a job. Then if they don't have a job they are not paying taxes. They are not paying taxes then they are NOT paying for the public parks that they are in.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by thinline
The main protesters, the long term ones, if they are not getting paid to protest then they don't have a job. Then if they don't have a job they are not paying taxes. They are not paying taxes then they are NOT paying for the public parks that they are in.


You need to pay taxes even if you don't work, everything you pay has tax fee



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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It was destined to fail from the onset. When the MSM paints you as a bunch of young adults without jobs, bitching and moaning about way to many topics= DEATH. The only real thing that was accomplished is the parks around the country has changed their rules & laws, due to OWS.

They simply made it harder for the homeless to be homeless... they took their parks away.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by thinline
The main protesters, the long term ones, if they are not getting paid to protest then they don't have a job. Then if they don't have a job they are not paying taxes. They are not paying taxes then they are NOT paying for the public parks that they are in.


They are not called 'taxpayer parks' they are called 'public parks' and the protesters are part of the public.
And are you saying that tourists are not welcome in your parks? Im being pedantic because your argument is.
Zuccotti Park isnt public anyway,its privately owned. Soon all parks will be private. Everything will be. And if the public doesnt own anything it is essentially a loss of sovereignty. What can the public vote for if the public doesnt own anything? You will be run openly by bankers before you know it. Its starting to happen in Europe.

To support the duopoly is to support a loss of sovereignty.




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