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Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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nice spin there, skippy.




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by batgirl

I agree with you, many of those countries ARE defunct because they ATTEMPTED to implement democratic socialism. But was it because it was unworkable or because they were a threat to foreign powers and the elite?



I believe it's because it's unworkable. Socialistic societies tend to eat themselves. Rather than raising the standard of living for everyone, they devolve to the lowest common denominator - they lower the standards to even out at the lowest previous standard.

There is a negative incentive to produce, and in order to combat that, the state institutes draconian measures aimed at improving production. Because the means of production are state-owned, it falls to the state to improve production, which in turn forces the state to institute draconian measures, which leads to a totalitarian society.

It is self-defeating, from the outset.

Paradoxically, perhaps, in their effort to eliminate "classes", they produce a more stark contrast between the classes. There is a "ruling class", and then there is everyone else, not unlike a feudal society.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by psyop911
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you're just being paranoid and i think even maybe racist.

lol?


Absurd.

I am of mixed decent. I know what racism is all about.

Paranoid? OWS is USING obvious socialist propaganda.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by batgirl

Hell, I'm not even on the left/right/independant paradigm anymore.


Neither am I, although probably not in the same way you are absent from it. Traditionally, "left" is socialism, communism, marxism, etc, and "right" leans towards fascism, corporatism, etc. I see both of those as collectivist at heart, and leading to totalitarianism. Neither the "left" nor the "right" are advocating for liberty - they only advocate for different control measures.

"Different" control measures means the control measures are still there, whichever way you fly. The only difference in either side , relatively, is within that side. It's a matter of how many control measures are in place. It's only a matter of quantity, not quality. That is the only difference in the various left and right "isms". They are ALL collectivist and draconian.

I see no material difference between communism and fascism, and it amuses me how people will argue the "differences" between the two all day long. A totalitarian master is a totalitarian master to me, and it doesn't make any difference at all which sort is at the top of the heap - they will BOTH exert undue control over the populace, and BOTH claim they are "for the people" when in reality they are fleecing the people FOR themselves.



Its us versus the elite/illuminati/NWO/Zionist billionare banking cartel.


No, it's YOU against them, if you chose to limit your opposition to just them. I'm not in that "us", because I don't limit my opposition to just those. Totalitarians are totalitarians, and I care not what their bank account looks like, nor what "ism" they are promoting. The only "isms" that matter to me are individualism and totalitarianism, which are in opposition to one another. Totalitarianism covers both the traditional "left" and the traditional "right".

They are the same. Masters are masters, whatever other label one wants to apply to them.



The head of the snake. The shadow figures at the top. The ones pulling the strings. The chess players. If they are not brought down then everything else is useless. It's probably gonna be the regular folk that are gonna get bloodied all fighting each other while the ones at the top will be where they have always been, at the top of the pyramid, safely tucked away.


That's true. OWS is no different, and has it's very own puppet masters. The goal of OWS is to use the proletariat to promote the agendas of those puppet masters over the agendas of the opposition puppet masters in the great game of chess being played out.

Then, they promptly get back to the business of eating the proletariat, same as the corporate puppet masters do.



edit on 2011/12/14 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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The kid wasn't the only ones on the tracks as quite a few were on the tracks. This was done in order to severely shut down and impact the shipping lines as once those lines get disrupted the cutoff can begin.

This action was merely to bring light to how much of our goods we all rely on is made outside of The USA!



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Nen,

OWS has no puppetmaster as we are the puppets of none.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Where's your proof saying that OWS is the New American Nazi party in disguise because there is absolutely no evidence to support an accusation such as this! Either provide definitive proof or admit you are wrong!

No one can because none exist!
edit on 15-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Neo,

The reason for the shape of the arms as they are is because that is the shape of the block that the new occupation will occur in as not every block in Manhattan is a perfect square or rectangle!



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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Everyone on those tracks was a COMPLETE idiot, especially that mother. Trains don't stop on a dime. I don't care what they were trying to say, people could have been killed. Little kid included.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Which is indicative of the bonds within this movement that says to the rest of the world that this movement is unbreakable hence the screws at the wrist area. To symbolize our undying and unwavering bond that this movement cannot and will not be broken. They could beat us, tazer us, shoot us with rubber bullets, tear gas us but make no mistake nothing will ever break our resolve, break our commitment to one another and humanity. That is all that is!

A pic taken from Google Earth showing the block in question :




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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That;s why you noticed that one train that started on approach had to pull back. They knew before the train pulled out that there were people on the track and were ordered to drive up just to scare and when that didn't work the conductor had to stop the train hence the low speed.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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Never mind...
If you don't see it, then it's too late.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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There is absolutely no proof that woman put her child on the tracks. I saw the other thread, and commented there as well. If she did she's an idiot, but I don't think she did.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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I saw the interview with the mom in question. She did not deny putting her child on the tracks. She only stated that she had faith in humanity and thought that the train would stop before hitting the people on the tracks. I guess we need a pic. of her kid on the tracks rather than her words.

I've never seen faith stop a loaded freight train on a dime while traveling at speed. In an emergency braking situation it can take over one mile to stop a train on a good day.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Watch it again, she never says she put her kid on the tracks, you never hear the interviewer asking her why or if she did this, you never see a child on the tracks. What we do hear is a voice over before cutting to the interview which could have been anyone, the person who put the video up perhaps. It could have happened, I don't dismiss it out of hand but honestly I think it's BS. I went to the the KWG site and the video isn't on there anywhere. Just my opinion.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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OWS, like the Tea Party, was doomed from the start because they never got guys like me energized to give a _hit.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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