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Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by decepticonLaura


@sonnnnnny
big governments, soros, socialism..... you know what, i am beginning to feel sorry for you, are you amnesiac?




I feel sorry for ANYONE that cant see the imagery portrayed,and can fall for it wholeheartedly.







Reminds me of a swastika and the fascism means to an end of OWS wants everyone knows that fascism borrows from communism and socialism and both their ends have clearly anti social behavior.




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Anyone who doubts the power of propaganda art really needs to visit the Holocaust museum. Hitler was an expert at using art to his advantage by playing on peoples emotions. He understood the power of symbolism. Once you see how Hitler and the Nazi party came into power, not just by reading, but by seeing what they used and how they used it, you all of a sudden see what scary parallels there are between our current state of political madness and the Germany of pre-WWII.

You can deny the correlation all you want, but it is there. It is in your face, and unfortunately the younger generation has lost the ability to connect the dots thanks to our dumbed down educational system. I see the push to create a mentality of "everyone is equal". I coached soccer for 6 years, and baseball for two. It used to be the team who won the championship got a trophy. Now everyone gets one just for participating. they don't want the kids to feel like failures. Give me a freakin break! That is the foundation of communism being laid if I ever saw it!

OWS is the Nazi party in disguise. Get used to it, because if the likes of Acorn and others gain a foothold you might as well kiss your Constitution goodbye!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
It is in your face, and unfortunately the younger generation has lost the ability to connect the dots thanks to our dumbed down educational system. I see the push to create a mentality of "everyone is equal". I coached soccer for 6 years, and baseball for two. It used to be the team who won the championship got a trophy. Now everyone gets one just for participating. they don't want the kids to feel like failures. Give me a freakin break! That is the foundation of communism being laid if I ever saw it!

OWS is the Nazi party in disguise. Get used to it, because if the likes of Acorn and others gain a foothold you might as well kiss your Constitution goodbye!


Bingo, you nailed it.
You are referring to the spoiled generation, the young people that were never allowed to endure hardship in any way because of poltical correctness.
They were never allowed to get knocked down for the purpose of getting back up even stronger.
Now they feel they are entitled to just about anything and everything without putting any effort into it whatsoever to get it.
And of course you can't reason with them. They only get upset and throw tantrums if you bring it to their attention. They kick and scream because that's what they've done all their lives to make the bad people go away in order to get their way.
These are indeed the useful idiots because they are now like putty in the hands of the people they hate the most.
Problem Reaction Solution at it's best.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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There are many people who are for social securiy, universal healthcare and a social safety net and who are at the same time thoroughly anti-communist. Is Canada a communist country because they have these securites built into their system? There are also many people who are for the small-time and middle income business people and workers while at the same time being thoroughly against predatory business practices and the monopolies of the corporations that are killing the individually owned businesses.

There are good and bad things about what I will call democratic socialism, the good are those that protect people's basic health and well-being, the bad is when almost everything becomes regulated to the point that it starts to strip away our basic freedoms to be who we are.

Democratic socialism for want of a better description can slip towards communism if one is not careful. There is nothing good about real stalinist type communism. It is a horrid entity that has stripped and ended the lives of millions. Any western social justice groups and activists should keep the communists as far away from them as possible. And al all costs.

Just as over-regulation by the government can cause great harm to society so to can over de-regulation by private companies and corporations cause great harm to society. Corporations have taken over control of government policies to an alarming degree. You can be for private enterprise and not having your own life regulated in any way and also be against de-regulation to the point that corporations gain control of virtually everything in your life and it becomes a form of fascism.

Fascism and communism are the enemy. The extremes on either side. I see these two sides playing out with the nanny state and over potitical correctness on one hand and the take over by corporations and swindling by the banks on the other. The worst of both sides are becoming stronger. But there are alot of good and genuine people here who just want balance and don't want to be labelled as either a communist or a fascist because that is not what they are fighting for. The elite use these tactics against the people to turn them against eachother when in the end they are always where they were all along, which is on top.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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"Democratic Socialism" exists only on paper, and in the names of now defunct countries - i.e. "The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of (fill in the blank)". Those countries are now defunct specifically BECAUSE they attempted to implement "democratic socialism". It's unworkable.

I am not qualified to comment on Canadian politics. I am not a Canadian. I see no reason that they shouldn't run their own country as they see fit, and live with the consequences, whichever way those may go.

To my mind, there is nothing good about collectivism in any form, whether socialist, communist, fascist, or democracy. It subjugates the individual, makes of him just another cog in the machine. I'll look after my own health and well-being, thanks. Don't need a collective to force me to do it in step with their notion of how it "ought to be done".

I don't need a majority to beat me into line with their way of thinking. I don't need to be micromanaged by outsiders and strangers.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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They lack a cohesive leadership...but you'd have to be a moron to not take their base message seriously



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Yes, I take OWS very seriously, I'm thrilled at it's existence.

Because it means I don't have to feel quite so outnumbered by zombie eyed Randist morlocks who live by that cold, heartless bitch's lies and warped view of how the world ought to be. Bunch of carnivorous reptile soldiers working their little scaly butts off for the lizard queen. People who regard anything approaching socialism as a hive mentality and an antithetical threat to their "freedom" are every bit drones themselves if only they stopped puckering up to the man's ass for long enough to admit it, to let the scales fall from their eyes and realise that they're nothing but peons in the great game of profit and loss being played out by their puppet masters.

I'm with the OWS, in all of their chaotic glory, because it gives me hope that somehow there might be some slim chance (and I mean flea's cock hair slim) that we, the human race might just evolve enough to avoid sending ourselves to hell.

And frankly, # the current status quo, and # anyone who cleaves to it, you deserve all you get.




Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by 547000
 


"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable"
-- JFK

Yep, that day's coming. It's inevitable. No velvet revolutions this time around.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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I think people denounce the OWS movement because they want a violent movement instead, am I wrong?
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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The arms are interlocked is in the shape of the block the action will occur in as not every block in Manhattan is a perfect square or rectangle and has nothing to do with socialism. Get over yourself!

Concentrate on the 3rd paragraph!

THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE #OOCUPYEVERYTHING - OCCUPY TOGETHER - #OCCUPYWALLSTREET MOVEMENTS AND ALL ASSOCIATED MARCHES & OCCUPATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PLANET CURRENTLY :

This group wants absolutely nothing to do with the corrupt 2 party oligarchy as both have been bought and paid by the banks, The Federal Reserve and Wall Street and does not need nor require money from 1%'rs and to say anything otherwise is a major dis service to this group and movement as a whole as we see people like Soros as being apart of the problem and does not endorse millionaires or billionaires. No corporate dollars are welcomed and if one were to attempt to finance this movement it would be rejected and returned with a note saying "No sale!"!

To believe anything else means you are being seriously deceived and tricked and said source should not be trusted or taken seriously and if it does not come from the aforementioned it is not to be taken as the official stance. No General Assembly in any group throughout the planet will amend this ever!

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Biden, The Democratic National Committee, The Republican Nation Committee, The Tea Party, Libertarian movement or any other political party or figurehead does not speak for us and neither do they represent us! neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

All are welcomed from all faiths, ethnic groups, political persuasions, LBGTI, animal and kid friendly as we will not discriminate, we will be friendly to all. Illicit narcotics (marijuana to meth while all scrips prescribed to a fellow protester are obviously allowed) and liquor (all forms) use are banned and will get someone expelled and turned over to law enforcement. Come as you are! Remember, there is no member of the 1% that is on this website which means we are all The 99%!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Yup, they want us to abandon Wall Street (the real home of the criminals) and march on DC which are nothing but puppets and employees of Wall Street!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by batgirl
 


"Democratic Socialism" exists only on paper, and in the names of now defunct countries - i.e. "The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of (fill in the blank)". Those countries are now defunct specifically BECAUSE they attempted to implement "democratic socialism". It's unworkable.



I agree with you, many of those countries ARE defunct because they ATTEMPTED to implement democratic socialism. But was it because it was unworkable or because they were a threat to foreign powers and the elite?



The United States has a detailed history of overthrowing foreign leaders and destabilizing countries. Many of these leaders were democratically elected and had left-wing, populist policies that were at odds with US imperialistic and corporate interests.

Haiti 2004 A US-supported coup overthrows president Jean Bertrand-Aristide. After years of subverting the Haitian economy and providing aid and training to right wing opposition and paramilitary groups, democratically elected president Aristide is escorted on a US-charted jet to the Central African Republic. The details of this event are disputed.

Venezuela 2002 There are numerous alleged coup attempts and subterfuges likely initiated by the US and CIA. Current President, Hugo Chavez, has massive popular support and makes many nationalist, progressive reforms. In 2002, Chavez is overthrown in a military coup reminiscent of previous CIA-coups. The US welcomes the coup and congratulates the military, while denying involvement.The coup collapses after two days, however, and Chavez returns to power.

Chile 1973 CIA covert policies (at an expense of $8 million from 1970-73) lead to a coup d’etat in which democratically elected, socialist, populist Allende is killed and dictator Augusto Pinochet brought to power.

Vietnam 1954-1975 US intervention results in 3-5 million Vietnamese deaths and 58,000 American casualties. This, all in the name of stopping communism.

Guatemala 1954 President Jacobo Arbenz (1951-1954), permits free expression, legalizes unions, allows diverse political parties, and initiates basic socioeconomic reforms. The United Fruit Company (UFCO), exerts significant influence within the country. Arbenz is overthrown in a CIA instigated coup. The CIA director at this time, Allen Dulles, was formerly the president of the United Fruit Company (UFCO) and the previous CIA director and under-secretary of state, General Walter Bedell Smith, is on the company’s board of directors. Smith will become UFCO’s president following the overthrow.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Oops, forgot to post the link for previous post truthmove.org...

Hell, I'm not even on the left/right/independant paradigm anymore. Its us versus the elite/illuminati/NWO/Zionist billionare banking cartel. The head of the snake. The shadow figures at the top. The ones pulling the strings. The chess players. If they are not brought down then everything else is useless. It's probably gonna be the regular folk that are gonna get bloodied all fighting each other while the ones at the top will be where they have always been, at the top of the pyramid, safely tucked away.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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to reply to the topic: "Is anyone still taking OWS seriously?" the answer is a resounding "no, go away"

why? Idiots like this one (and this is anecdotal and just the most recent OWS moron to show how stupid they are):




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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The people that are misinformed, ignorant, and irrational enough to oppose protestors who in in general are just exercising whatever free speech they can...know this: there is as much reason to take the protestors, and especially the act of protesting seriously just as there is reason to maintain free speech for humanity's sake.
You need to learn to get your priorities straight and stop complaining ridiculously about protestors in general. It is sick and morally repugnant that there are fools that have not yet learned to prioritize rationally in their reactions to protestors, and draw attention away from the many issues that are worth complaining about like the tyrannies that protests educate people about. Believe it or not, the protestors are saying much more important things than those that take or waste the time making threads against protestors.

Beside that, even Time Magazine takes 'the protestor' seriously enough to name it the 'person of the year.'

www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Lucidia
The people that are misinformed, ignorant, and irrational enough to oppose protestors who in in general are just exercising whatever free speech they can...know this: there is as much reason to take the protestors, and especially the act of protesting seriously just as there is reason to maintain free speech for humanity's sake.
You need to learn to get your priorities straight and stop complaining ridiculously about protestors in general. It is sick and morally repugnant that there are fools that have not yet learned to prioritize rationally in their reactions to protestors, and draw attention away from the many issues that are worth complaining about like the tyrannies that protests educate people about. Believe it or not, the protestors are saying much more important things than those that take or waste the time making threads against protestors.

Beside that, even Time Magazine takes 'the protestor' seriously enough to name it the 'person of the year.'

www.youtube.com...


Funny how Time totally ignored the Tea Party, which had 10x the numbers OWS has had and ZERO arrests... with OWS coming in with over 500 arrests... you don't find that odd? even a little? just a tiny bit? eensy weensy little bit?? srsly.

I'll agree that people are misinformed and ignorant, but I don't think you and I would agree on exactly what points they're ignorant of.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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The arms are interlocked is in the shape of the block the action will occur in as not every block in Manhattan is a perfect square or rectangle and has nothing to do with socialism. Get over yourself!





Yeah,OK.

And the fist of Socialism in said illustrations right out of the Socialist handbook of illustrations represents the violent anarchists set in the OWS movement,and has nothing to do with Socialism..........



Please,its OLD PROPAGANDA.


Why didnt they use 4 streets interlocking? Because using the Socialist arms in struggle looks way better on paper..................



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

The arms are interlocked is in the shape of the block the action will occur in as not every block in Manhattan is a perfect square or rectangle and has nothing to do with socialism. Get over yourself!



No one but you has mentioned the shape

The linking symbolism is in the interlocking fists.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
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i may or may not be capable of telling when i am being condescended to
what i certainly AM capable of telling is when i receive no answers whatsoever
along with that condescension.


well then, you should listen more carefully to the OWS drones there, skippy.
i have never heard of condescending tones until i've had the pleasure of
communicating via le interwebs with a handful of OWS drones. what's good
for the goose...



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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you're just being paranoid and i think even maybe racist.

lol?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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you, miss, are a gentleman and a scholar.
three beers for you and your table.



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