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Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
 


The arms are interlocked is in the shape of the block the action will occur in as not every block in Manhattan is a perfect square or rectangle.


There's more symbolism than just that, although that does hark back to some posters I saw in various places in the 20th century.

The hands - examine them. they are not only fists, they are not only interlocking, but they are adjustable wrenches. The thumbs are the adjusting jaws.

What really got my attention at first was the figure with the flag, in the center. That actually gave me a chill, with the recollections it brought back. By "chill", I mean it made my blood run cold.

At least they've gotten away from putting so much red in their posters. That would probably have made my head explode.

I want to thank you for reminding me of that page. Reading through it, all the catch phrases brought back a lot of old memories, and reinforced to me just how serious this can become. I've buried people because of those catch phrases. I had thought that assault on liberty was long dead, and I have found there that it is alive and well, and has merely morphed in it's presentation just enough to fool the "masses" that it formerly employed to do it's dirty work, so that it can continue to do so, and bring slavery to us all.

Well, YOU all. I won't live to see it happen.

I also found that OWS had not collapsed around here - it evidently just moved indoors for the winter. There was some sort of "solidarity" (there's another of those catch-phrases!) occupation for the assault on the longshoremen's paychecks at the west coast ports. I was unaware of it, since I don't watch the news, but when I found it there and brought it up to my roommate, she said "Oh yeah. Saw that on the news". I had no idea. I don't watch the news, and I don't deal with the sorts of places the occupiers are assaulting, so I knew nothing of it until I read that page you provided.

Thanks for that. I'll consider myself somewhat better informed now, and get to really digging in order to improve that. Looks like it might be an interesting year next year when spring breaks. I reckon I better have my perimeter in order by then.

.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


oh NO!
not ART!
that will be the death of us all!




Yeah,Cant say its similar in ANY way.

Typical..........




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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reply to post by sonnny1
 


and because they are using a similar art style, this means....... what precisely?
your logic appears to have made a jump i can't follow.

there was a movement with a very strong visual aesthetic that promoted solidarity
elements of this are reflected in new movements, new art.
are you genuinely implying that because some elements are similar that they are the exact same thing?
there is nothing new under the sun.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by decepticonLaura


@sonnnnnny
big governments, soros, socialism..... you know what, i am beginning to feel sorry for you, are you amnesiac?




I feel sorry for ANYONE that cant see the imagery portrayed,and can fall for it wholeheartedly.







Seriously! How much more "in your face" can they get? And still, people will refuse to see it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I took my first breath fighting them, and it looks like I'll take my last breath doing the same.

Now do you see why they are targeting economic infrastructure rather than governmental? They have traditionally seized political power by first concentrating on economics. It has NEVER turned out well for the workers they use to seize that power, and claim to represent.

This may be a good place to look up that big post I made on OWS strategy, way back when, and bring it to the fore again. It's all lining up just as I called it.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


and because they are using a similar art style, this means....... what precisely?
your logic appears to have made a jump i can't follow.

there was a movement with a very strong visual aesthetic that promoted solidarity
elements of this are reflected in new movements, new art.
are you genuinely implying that because some elements are similar that they are the exact same thing?
there is nothing new under the sun.


Your absolutely right......Nothing new here. Carry on.









posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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reply to post by nenothtu
 


Absolutely 100% spot on.

I couldnt say it better myself.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


oh NO!
not ART!
that will be the death of us all!


That "art" has killed more people that depleted uranium and enriched uranium combined, and has enslaved more than all of the auction blocks in history combined.

Yeah. It's just "art".



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


and because they are using a similar art style, this means....... what precisely?
your logic appears to have made a jump i can't follow.

there was a movement with a very strong visual aesthetic that promoted solidarity
elements of this are reflected in new movements, new art.
are you genuinely implying that because some elements are similar that they are the exact same thing?
there is nothing new under the sun.


That's right, there isn't. This is the same old thing as before, with a facelift and a new color scheme. It's right there, for those not willfully blind to see.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


oh NO!
not ART!
that will be the death of us all!


That "art" has killed more people that depleted uranium and enriched uranium combined, and has enslaved more than all of the auction blocks in history combined.

Yeah. It's just "art".




....really?
this is some serious allegations.
can that picture of obama cause cancer or something?

...sorry, i mean
ONOES! Obama can make a FIST!
the communists are coming for our daughters!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


and because they are using a similar art style, this means....... what precisely?
your logic appears to have made a jump i can't follow.

there was a movement with a very strong visual aesthetic that promoted solidarity
elements of this are reflected in new movements, new art.
are you genuinely implying that because some elements are similar that they are the exact same thing?
there is nothing new under the sun.


That's right, there isn't. This is the same old thing as before, with a facelift and a new color scheme. It's right there, for those not willfully blind to see.




or, potentially, some people are still so blinded by old fears and prejudices that they continue this ridiculous kneejerk reaction.


i mean seriously, the ART?
you guys are taking trolling to a whole new level.
should i be taking from this that if it was packaged a different way you might pay attention to the simple fact that




the system is broken and we have to do something about it before it is too late



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura



....really?
this is some serious allegations.
can that picture of obama cause cancer or something?

...sorry, i mean
ONOES! Obama can make a FIST!
the communists are coming for our daughters!





Threw in Obama for giggles,and conspiracy talking points.(Conspiracy site?) The other Pics are exactly what they are.PROPAGANDA.

You call it art .

Its all good.You can call it what you like,I call it what I like. MILLIONS of Americans probably see it like I do though (Not just the Art) hence the "soft" Turnout,at OWS rally's.(NOT millions taking to the streets) which is a fact BTW.


edit on 13-12-2011 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura





the system is broken and we have to do something about it before it is too late


It has to be YOUR way?
OWS's way?

America has spoken. Its NOT OWS's way. They didnt come out of their homes and support it,because it hedged its bets against Wall street,Not Big Government. They Camped,instead of massing on the White House. Its simple actually.

And then the Agenda,by supporters,and those who have vested interests in OWS. Take a look through ATS.Plenty of info on OWS.


BTW,I could easily say your trolling OWS hogwash,but I wont belittle myself down to that level. You are misinformed,thats all.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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MILLIONS of americans stayed home because these artists made some bold design choices?
wow, you live in a strange strange place.

you have raised a question i would to see an answer to, however; is the difference between art and propaganda a subjective thing?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


MILLIONS of americans stayed home because these artists made some bold design choices?
wow, you live in a strange strange place.


Millions of Americans stayed home because OWS is pointless.


Originally posted by decepticonLaura
you have raised a question i would to see an answer to, however; is the difference between art and propaganda a subjective thing?


“All art is propaganda. It is universally and inescabably propaganda; sometimes unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda.”
― Upton Sinclair

Funny,old Upton the Socialist agrees......



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by decepticonLaura





the system is broken and we have to do something about it before it is too late


It has to be YOUR way?
OWS's way?

America has spoken. Its NOT OWS's way. They didnt come out of their homes and support it,because it hedged its bets against Wall street,Not Big Government. They Camped,instead of massing on the White House. Its simple actually.

And then the Agenda,by supporters,and those who have vested interests in OWS. Take a look through ATS.Plenty of info on OWS.


BTW,I could easily say your trolling OWS hogwash,but I wont belittle myself down to that level. You are misinformed,thats all.



did i say it has to be my way?
did i say i have a way for it to be?
if you read carefully
what i said was that things have to change before it's too late.
forget for a minute your crazy conspiracies and agendas and ridiculous Big Obamas and think;
is this not correct?
or is everything on the planet just hunky dory right now?
because the way i see it, there is only one truthful answer to that.
and arguing about stupid stupid stupid stupid things like the size of who is in charge of one landmass is not going to save our plnaetary bacon.

as far as america having "spoken", well, from where i sit it looks as if it's argued with itself for some time and then begun gnawing it's own limbs. and now you tell me millions are staying home because art will kill them.
which in fairness does seem pretty in character for your fair country.

i think you should belittle yourself at least a little, tell me what this "ows trolling hogwash" i've been perpetuating is [very classy, by the way, 'staying above it' by telling me just that anyway] because i honestly can't tell which bits are the hogwash and which aren't.
and i'd hate to remain misinformed.
why, i might end up sticking to one or two fearmongering views, regardless of how many times they are proven false ;D



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:07 AM
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This was written in 1986. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


We notice (if at all) the tragedy only in its last act - when Soviet-made tanks screech
into the streets of foreign capitals. We tend to overlook how it all starts... We are
being told later, by the media and the 'experts', that — first, the 'oppressed masses'
revolt against their corrupt 'rightist' regimes; then, we are told, the new 'people's
democracy' is established, and it immediately falls in disfavour with the 'Western,
U.S. imperialism'. It causes hardships: shortage of foreign currency and shortage of
the essentials (food) as the result; censorship over the media is established; than
mass arrests take place, finally — execution of the opposition ('the enemies of the
revolution')... And ultimately, as usual, the 'liberated' masses try to flee their
'independent' motherlands by the million — climbing over the berlin walls, being
shot at the back, or drawning by the thousand in the seas... And where do they flee?
To the 'decadent oppessive capitalism!'

WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? WHY IT HAPPENS FOR SUCH A LONG TIME? ARE HUMANS
SUICIDAL? NO, SAYS SOVIET DEFECTOR TOMAS SCHUMAN, THEY ARE BEING
FOOLED.
Fooling the masses is a trick as old as mankind itself. From pharaos to ayatollas, from
andropovs to trudeaus to 'councils on foreign relations' to the U.N.O. — across the
continents and through the ages — rulers, politicians and 'leaders' (as we call them
today) often indulge in the art of, to put it mildly, MISLEADING the people... But
always to their own advantage though! For more POWER, more CONTROL of the
society's WEALTH. And often, ultimately, for CONQUEST of other nations.
Chinese military strategist Sun-Tzu (500 B.C.) and Italian political strategist
Machiavelli have described the process of establishing CONTROL over 'masses' — in
colorftil details, for forgetful mankind...


From "World Thought Police" by "Tomas Schuman", a pseudonym of Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB Operative.

Now, it appears, there is a whole new generation coming up who are rather handily being fooled. Having never learned the lessons of the older generations, becuase they have not been faced with the stark realities of collectivism, it's understandable that they know not when the rug is about to be snatched out from under them. they have no basis of comparison.

They are not stupid, they just don't know.

They didn't live through it.

They can't remember, because the memories are not there to be recalled.

Some of us CAN remember.

This is my post from 5 October concerning what I saw then as the grand strategy of OWS. Rather than having changed, that opinion has strengthened.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


oh NO!
not ART!
that will be the death of us all!


That "art" has killed more people that depleted uranium and enriched uranium combined, and has enslaved more than all of the auction blocks in history combined.

Yeah. It's just "art".




....really?
this is some serious allegations.
can that picture of obama cause cancer or something?

...sorry, i mean
ONOES! Obama can make a FIST!
the communists are coming for our daughters!


No.

That sort of "art" causes lead poisoning via direct injection.

Unfortunately, it generally affects the little people at the bottom, not the big guys at the top.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura


did i say it has to be my way?
did i say i have a way for it to be?
if you read carefully
what i said was that things have to change before it's too late.
forget for a minute your crazy conspiracies and agendas and ridiculous Big Obamas and think;
is this not correct?
or is everything on the planet just hunky dory right now?
because the way i see it, there is only one truthful answer to that.
and arguing about stupid stupid stupid stupid things like the size of who is in charge of one landmass is not going to save our plnaetary bacon.

as far as america having "spoken", well, from where i sit it looks as if it's argued with itself for some time and then begun gnawing it's own limbs. and now you tell me millions are staying home because art will kill them.
which in fairness does seem pretty in character for your fair country.

i think you should belittle yourself at least a little, tell me what this "ows trolling hogwash" i've been perpetuating is [very classy, by the way, 'staying above it' by telling me just that anyway] because i honestly can't tell which bits are the hogwash and which aren't.
and i'd hate to remain misinformed.
why, i might end up sticking to one or two fearmongering views, regardless of how many times they are proven false ;D


Well,I think I was honest enough to point out what I thought of OWS.I even used illustrations to make a point. Cherry picking the pictures,is what you decided to use as your counterpoint.

Then without even digesting what I said,or keeping the conversation liquid enough to talk about it,you stated


Originally posted by decepticonLaura
You guys are taking trolling to a whole new level.


Which was the reasoning behind what I said.

So what is YOUR actual take on OWS?
Do you believe it stands for you?
Do you believe its a POWER that can not be held back?
Do you believe that change will come because of it?

Or are we going to talk about the pictures I posted,that are obvious propaganda,that those in OWS have used?

Your call.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by sonnny1
 


and because they are using a similar art style, this means....... what precisely?
your logic appears to have made a jump i can't follow.

there was a movement with a very strong visual aesthetic that promoted solidarity
elements of this are reflected in new movements, new art.
are you genuinely implying that because some elements are similar that they are the exact same thing?
there is nothing new under the sun.


That's right, there isn't. This is the same old thing as before, with a facelift and a new color scheme. It's right there, for those not willfully blind to see.




or, potentially, some people are still so blinded by old fears and prejudices that they continue this ridiculous kneejerk reaction.



So far, in every place it has taken root, that "kneejerk reaction" has led to trigger jerking reactions.

Ignore it all you like. You've been informed. Either educate yourself in the matter, or fall in with "the masses".

Yup. next year has potential to get interesting.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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OWS will become a joke, as far as history is concerned, thanks to the multitude of characters involved.
Think about it, there was never really no real direction, plus it got out of control way too fast.

Don't get me wrong, I get the concept of anti Wall Street and all, but geez, one day they protest Wells Fargo and the next day they open a new account with the same institution.
What hypocrisy.

But the main problem has to do with the very word "Occupy".
It is/was so in your face.
It's one thing to say you are protesting and assembling but the Constitution doesn't say anything about taking over and occupying.
Therein lies the disconnect.




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