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Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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I will give them credit for opening more people up to the idea that there is something seriously wrong with the govt.


This was the main thing I see from it all. Seeing that many people raising hell is enough to make a few passing drones stop and attempt to critically think at the least.

I found more interesting how people reacted to the whole thing. So many were quick to look for differences and focus on that. I don't agree with all of what occupy has come up with in their assemblies but I do give them credit for being pissed off. Things are messed up so I think addressing that publicly, even if its done with little sophistication, is the lesser evil compared to apathy and silence on the state of affairs.

I see the whole thing as having great potential. A bunch of people finally got mad enough to stand up and call bull # on everything, for weeks. They have managed to avoid becoming a violent mob that burned the entire district they were in. The execution might not be gold medal material but they have the nuts to try.

So far it has gone far better than the Bonus Army. I wonder if the whole thing had been focused on Washington DC if it would have gone far differently. No Posse Comitatus in the Capital, they could have legally sent in the Marines to break it up.




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Well, if that's the case, join up and man it!



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Not much to them anymore. They seem to be winding down. The tea party has stuck around though. Kinda tells you something about the two.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Oh well. If it's over, then we'll be dealing with the folks that were holding back just outside the camera shot. I was hoping that the OWS peace treaty folks would have some kind of impact on things, but maybe violence and the widespread shutting down of the power tools of the 1% is the only real solution. It'll be hell for a lot of people, but what're you going to do? Before anesthesia, surgery was no different than torture. Maybe the next empire will learn from how badly we blew it, and how little was left in the end?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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We are simply restrategizing and planning for the #D17 action planned for December 17! Besides, we simply aren't gonna announce everything we do as that'll ruin the surprises!
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Domo1
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I would never advocate taking away the right to protest. I only indicated that I don't believe camping wherever you want is a valid form of protest. You don't get to just up and take over whatever you want without time constraints.


So if we can't protest where we want and can only do so wherever they say is ok, what is the point?

Your logic is defeatist from the onset if you only accept the guidelines of how they want you to protest.

Protesting according to their rules is a loss from the beginning.


It's not "protesting according to their rules" it's protesting according to OUR rules. Don't expect to garner support by going along through life trying to see how many regular folks you can piss off by trampling OUR rights.

See, the thing is, OWS's rights DO NOT trump everyone elses.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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The Occupiers are still busy on the west coast and being taken very seriously at least by "authorities."

Bellingham protesters delay train, Seattle marchers reach port

Occupy protesters try to disrupt ports; police make arrests

Never mind in London, and I imagine already in the US, have deemed the Occupiers as terrorists.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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I could also argue that Occupy HAS had a significant effect on political movement already. Check out some of the links on ATS that deal with DHS organizing local police action, the Pentagon arming local police, S 1867 passing the senate with a whole slew of supporting evidence that they are really, really worried about OWS and see it as a potential threat to their reign, banks losing money in the Move Your Money Movement, and a whole lot of frenetic, sloppy legislature, money theft etc. being brought to light.

They have been forced to tip their hand over and over again in an effort to try not to piss all over themselves in their panic. We have brought their secrets to the forefront and have exposed the nature of the global beast. I think that is pretty substantial.

AND, this is only the beginning… we are not going to trust TPTB to keep their loose treaties and permits with us anymore. We will never be that naive again. That kind of action was based on some rudimentary faith in the established system for fair treatment and representation. It ain’t gonna happen, now we work outside of it. Call it “growing up and out” of the paternal, top heavy, threat and force based, mercurial paradigm toward authenticity and organic freedom.

Fool me once….



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by AnotherSon
The Occupiers are still busy on the west coast and being taken very seriously at least by "authorities."

Bellingham protesters delay train, Seattle marchers reach port

Occupy protesters try to disrupt ports; police make arrests

Never mind in London, and I imagine already in the US, have deemed the Occupiers as terrorists.



not here in canada, and I have reports coming in that people have spoken to occupiers from san hose who are crediting me with debasing the movement. I say good riddence 99% of the population isn't for more diseased collectivism. Keep your borg collective the real antivirus against this tyranny lies within each and every single individual. Where there are no rewards for maintaining societal support, it's time to pull the support, nevermind the gun that's been to your head making sure you partake in their collective lunacy. Just bug out and let these bastards build hell on earth themselves, these stupid rich folk will never get their hands dirty and do it themselves, they require you the workers to partake in that.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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It's not "protesting according to their rules" it's protesting according to OUR rules. Don't expect to garner support by going along through life trying to see how many regular folks you can piss off by trampling OUR rights. See, the thing is, OWS's rights DO NOT trump everyone elses.


This is the point I've been trying to make, but put much better. I fully support people's rights to protest, but not at the expense of other people's rights and a huge waste of tax dollars to clean the filth left behind. And no, I'm not saying all the protesters are dirty. But many are.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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the people i spoke to down there want to see capitalism abolished and replaced with socialism

was in support, but not anymore....



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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So, you Americans that are against OWS, are you happy with the way things are in America right now?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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What we seek is not socialism but new nationalism!



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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What we seek is not socialism but new nationalism!


Famous last words



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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No.. but there is no stated constitutional freedom to do that, there is a freedom of assembly.
Come on, really, you can't see how your logic is faulty?

There is a constitutional freedom of assembly, it does not contain time limits, or constraints other than that it remains peaceful.
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What is it you think the founders meant by "assembly"?

Ask yourself how their assemblies went, and where those assemblies were. I'm guessing that's what they meant by "assembly".

I assure you, they were not camping out in parks, raping one another, and addressing their concerns to financial institutions. As I recall, they were addressing their concerns to The Crown - the government of the day.

You know, someone with the power to legally address those concerns.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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So, you Americans that are against OWS, are you happy with the way things are in America right now?


Of course not. That doesn't mean we must blindly support a movement we don't agree with (or sort of do but not quite). I'm all for change, but I'm sick of the actions of the occupiers.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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I've never taken it seriously. One big joke as far as I'm concerned, people protesting but not having a clear message or idea how they'd change things if they were in charge. Others baiting police into action and then crying foul when Officer Law comes down on them for breaking a rule or law on purpose just to get a reaction and play the sympathy card to other idiots who support them and cheer whenever an officer is killed regardless of how that officer's friends, colleagues and family might be greatly affected.

Did they accomplish something?

Nope. Just made themselves look like laughing stocks and provided people with an idea of who protesters and supporters of OWS are so as to avoid those people when in pursuit of intelligent discussion in future.

While I supported the War on Terror from day one, I can admit that while the anti-war protest day of 2003 did nothing to stop the conflict, it at least helped show that a lot of people worldwide weren't very happy with what was going on. OWS never achieved that.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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I feel like they prob. went down a road they couldn't revert from when they started working with unions. I am not anti-union, so it's hard for me to explain why I feel this way. Unions are part of the existing system, they are a strong-arm of workers/workers rights, but I feel they are very much for the status quo. They are happy to continue letting corporations rule the world, to let the rich get richer/have more power and influence in politics/etc., as long as they get good pay and benefits. Kind of self serving vs. the bigger picture of OWS imo.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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So, you Americans that are against OWS, are you happy with the way things are in America right now?


Of course not. That doesn't mean we must blindly support a movement we don't agree with (or sort of do but not quite). I'm all for change, but I'm sick of the actions of the occupiers.


Interesting. How would you express your disatisfaction then? how would you protest?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Funny, it seems the NYPD took the protest seriously enough to resort to unprovoked violence by a whiteshirt smashing someone in the face, and Brooklyn bridge. How easy it is to forget that...not! What bothers me more is how so many are taking you seriously with this post, which I consider propagandist. Those responsible bankers on this side of the water, (and there are some) have even remarked that it took longer for something like OWS to happen in the US than they thought. So, I ask you questions, Do you wish to end the Fed? (by default that requires Ron Paul to be next CIC) or any candidate with creedence for CIC with the same goal for that matter. Do you wish to see more people brought to book for banking criminality. Do you wish to see that all those people, as a direct result of the banking fiasco, will be saved from having their whole mortgaged life in negative equity in the thousands of $/£ or Euro, because, as it stands, that's the way it is.
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