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Then the video goes to the book if Isaiah in the Bible, chapter 14:14 where Satan is quoted as saying “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.” According to the video, there are several references to Satan as having fallen from the “heights” or the “heavens” and that the Hebrew word used for heights is “bamah.” Further, according to the video, there are conditions in Hebrew in which “bamah” would have sometimes been pronounced “U-bamah” or “O-bamah” and would have been translated literally as “Lightening from the heights.”
Therefore “Baraq U-Bamah” or “O-bamah...
“Even if we granted that bama could mean "heaven" by itself (that is, without adding a word like "clouds" after it),” Dr. Finley said, “the combination that the video makes, "baraq u/o bama," could only mean "lightning and heaven," not "lightning from heaven" or "the heights").
Further, according to Dr. Finley, “What Jesus said in Luke 10:18 was, in the KJV, "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." If he spoke it in Aramaic, then "from heaven" should be "min shemayya." If Hebrew it should be "mehashamayim." It is impossible that he would have used "bama" for "heaven," whether in Hebrew or Aramaic. In Greek it is "ek tou ouranou." And of course this doesn't address how to account for "and" in the alleged name "baraq u/o bama."
Pergamos was forty-five miles north of Smyrna. It was the Sin City of its day - one of the most religious places on earth. The people were known as "the temple-keepers of Asia." The largest shrine belonged to the Grecian sun idol Zeus, but the city was acclaimed for being the headquarters of the serpent god, Asklepios. I suspect they recognized that the sungod and the serpent represented the same spirit, but they might not have known that they both were kleptos - Greek, for "those who steal men's souls."
In this religious haven, the favorite spirit of the people was Bacchus, the Greek god of carousing, drinking and orgies. Bacchus modeled many of Osiris' traits who was in turn based upon the sungods Adonis, Ba'al, Bel, and Tamuz, digressing in time from the Egyptians to the Phoenicians, Assyrians and Babylonians. Satan has always found it handy to change his names and disguises. It's easier and more beguiling than changing his nature. Today, Catholics commemorate the Babylonian pagan rite of Lent, by celebrating the Bacchanalia under its new name "Mardi Gras." Lent itself is based upon the Babylonian practice of weeping for Tammuz - the Son of the Sun....
The prominence of sun worship in the Roman Empire was attributed to two factors. First, it had been a part of the religious worship system of pagan Rome for a very long time. It was widespread, but not the official dominant religion. Next, the Eastern cult of sun worship, “Sol Invictus” (Invincible Sun), through the cult of “Sol Invictus Mithra” and “Sol Elagabal,” became the dominant religion of the Empire. Notice the “bal” at the end of the name; this signifies that it incorporated Ba(a)l worship.
Mithraism primarily was more of a private cult, though it numbered among its adherents magistrates and emperors. Sol Invictus Elagabal, on the other hand was a popular cult with grandiose temples and during the rule of the young Emperor Elagabalus (A.D. 218-222) was made the official cult of the whole empire.
Prior to moving forward, some other interpretations of Teli deserve consideration. Interestingly, the word teli never appears in the Bible, it does however occur in the Bahir where it is discussed as the world axis upon which the celestial globe and world of manifestation hangs. In Hebrew teli means ‘to hang’ or literally ‘that which hangs from one’ begging the question of where did its association to a celestial serpent arise? Definitely by the medieval period the association between Teli and the Pole Serpent (Draco) was concrete. As Kaplan in his translation and commentary on the Sefer Yetzirah discusses, for medieval Kabbalists Teli was seen as one of two Leviathans – the female version being the water serpent of earth, the male corresponding to the Pole Serpent of the sky, Teli. This likely arose from Rabbi Shimon’s exegesis on the creation of the male and female Levi
athans as the upper and lower “Waters” in the Zohar. He further states that the world of manifestation “hangs from the fins of the Leviathan” placing this serpent in direct context of the polar axis mundi....
Let us take a moment to summarize. So what do we get veiled within the symbol of the Teli?
A celestial Pole Serpent that is in the Universe “like a king on his throne”, an axis-mundi upon which the world of manifestation hangs, a cyclic principle of space-time exemplified by the 12 constellations of the zodiac, a force that devours the Sun in eclipse, and a beast demonized by exoteric biblical religion that upon final judgment must be destroyed with God’s “great sharp sword”.
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Unity_99
The planet saturn was discovered by galileo in 1610,so any prior saturn worship must have been to the god saturn,who was in ancient roman religion and myth saturn,latin,saturnus,who was a major god presiding over agriculture and the harvest time,his mother was terra and his father was caelus...
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we bring an excerpt of a list of witnesses from a pact between the
same Assyrian king and Median king Ramataia (672 BC), signs denoting
the planets are translated as modern planet names:
In the presence of the planets, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mercury,
Mars, Sirius, and in the presence of Assur, Anu, Enlil, Ea, Sîn,
Shamash, Adad, Marduk, Nabû, Nusku, Urash, Nergal, Ninlil,
[---], Ishtar of Niniveh, Ishtar of Arbela Itar, by all the gods in
[the cities of] Assur, Niniveh, Kalah, Arbela, Kakzu, Harran, by
all the gods of Assyria, by all the gods in Babylon, Borsippa,
Nippur, by the gods of Sumer, all of them, by the gods of the
Lands, all of them; by the gods of Heaven and Earth. (Lindsay
These fascinating Dogon legends speak of Jupiter's four moons and Saturn's rings, which were not seen by human beings until the invention of the telescope. They speak of the star Sirius and of a pair of invisible companions. One of them circles Sirius every fifty years, the legends declare, and is made of a metal that is the heaviest thing in the universe. Astronomers have discovered that such an object (called "Sirius-B") does exist but only the most sophisticated and sensitive instruments -- unavailable, of course, to the Dogons -- can detect it.
The planets circle the sun, the tribesmen believe (and astronomy confirms), in elliptical orbits. And planets with different kinds of people on them circle six other stars in the sky -- so the legends have it.
The ancient Egyptians had three different calendars: an everyday farming calendar, an astronomical calendar, and a lunar calendar. The 365-day farming calendar was made up of three seasons of four months. The astronomical calendar was based on observations of the star Sirius, which reappeared each year at the start of the flood season. Finally, priests kept a lunar calendar that told them when to perform ceremonies for the moon god Khonsu....
Egyptians knew the existence of Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars, and Jupiter. They had names for them such as Sebequ,a god associated with Set , (Mercury), “god of the morning” (Venus), “bull of the sky” (Saturn), “Horus the red” or “Horus of the horizon” (Mars), and “Horus who limits the Two Lands” (Jupiter).
Cronos and Saturn:
The Romans had an agricultural god named Saturn who is in many ways the same as the Greek god Cronos. Saturn is married to Ops who is associated with the Greek goddess (Titan) Rhea. Ops was patroness of wealth. The festival known as the Saturnalia honors Saturn
Stars and constellations
Only a few stars and constellations are named individually in the Old Testament, and their identification is not certain. The clearest references include:
Kesîl, usually understood to be Orion, a giant angel.
Kimah, which may be the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Arcturus, or Sirius.
'Ash or 'Ayish, possibly the Hyades or Ursa Major, or even the Evening Star (Venus when seen after sunset).
Mezarim, which may be Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, or a synonym for mazzalot, in which case it would refer to the planets or the constellations of the zodiac.
Only two planets are named in the Tanakh:
Saturn, called Chiun in Amos 5:26, closely related to the Assyrian "Kévan" or "kaiwanu."
Venus, called Meleket ha-Shamayim, "the queen of heaven," in Jeremiah 7:18 and elsewhere. That the latter means Venus is shown by the cakes which are said to have been baked for her. Among the Assyrians and Babylonians the cake offerings were called "the bread of Ishtar."
Helel, the "son of the morning," in Isaiah 14:12, is also thought by some to be the morning star (Venus when visible before dawn). This identification is better known to many English speakers as Lucifer, the "light-bearer."
In Jewish mysticism and Mesopotamian mythology, Cassiel is associated with the planet Saturn and the direction north. He is the controller of the moon.
In the magical text Berit Menuchah, Cassiel is associated with Kefitzat Haderech, the ability to travel quickly through space. Magic spells using his name are cast to create destruction, to scatter crowds, to cause a person to wander aimlessly, or to fall from a position of power.
Ancient Hebrew amulets bearing his name are used to drive away one's enemies. The words on the charm are written with the blood of a bird and then tied it to the foot of a dove. The dove is then set to flight, taking one's enemy with it. Should the bird refuse to fly, it is a sign that one's enemies won't depart either.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by blocula
Those crusades are the origins and the reasons behind the present day muslim terrorists hatred towards the people of the western world...
lol, really?? Present-day Muslim hatred is all because of some wars 500 years ago??
We don't even hate Germany 60 years after WWII and they started a war that saw 50+ million people killed.
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by colbe
I know that millions of men,women and children,if they could now be asked,would not think this thread is a crock,who would think that satan most likely does walk the earth disguised as popes...
Those nameless victims of the popes orchestrated holy war crusades,people who,after being brainwashed by the church all their lives,were then maimed,crippled and killed in the name of an invisible god upon the battlefields of devine retribution...
Those forgotten innocent people whos lives were torn asunder,who found themselves unjustly accused of being witches and heretics.People who then were demonized,hunted,tracked down,captured,starved,tortured,burned alive at the stake and then had their property confiscated.All of which was designed and directed by religious fanatics,catholics holding bibles in one hand and lit torches in the other,who then went to the victims families and forced them to pay for the wood that was used to killl their loved ones and if they couldnt pay the church, they themselves were then accused as witches and dragged away...
Those countless men,women and children hushed up and brushed aside during their darkest hours of spiritual doubt.People who turned to their religious leaders for help and guidance,people who were then raped and sodomized instead...
Pretty cool stuff huh?
If all the popes were and are not posessed by satan,then by what dark force drives their perpetual evil deeds?
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