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Sometimes the proof is right in front of us. Confessions from a chemtrail moron.

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 03:53 AM
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I'm not convinced yet either way. I read some of the replies and I agree with what some are saying and that is why would the pilots flying the planes spray these chemicals on themselves, and the people they love and care about. Not too mention that when you spray these chemicals thousands of feet up in the air there is no controlling where the contents end up. So let's say it is true and they are spraying chemicals that alter the population's behavior or to make people sick how do the people responsible "the higher ups" avoid not breathing in this crap?




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Revolutionz
Chemtrails are real. Lately there have been 1-2 planes probly atleast 3 days a week, every week spraying here in Nelson New Zealand. They seem to spray only on sunny days then the weather turns to # i think not to sure.......in my opinion they are spraying to poison us not to change the weather, or both? These definitely aren't contrails because i seen a real contrail just the other day and it vanishes within seconds. People try to tell the govt here but they laugh it off and call us crazy.........
Fellow kiwi here. Currently living in Auckland, but we don't see too many contrails (or according to some, chemtrails) here. The reason is that most of the air traffic is either landing or taking off at Auckland International Airport, and the planes are well below the altitudes required for contrails to form. In your part of the country however, you will have far more aircraft flying at high altitude overhead en route to and from Christchurch.

No doubt you will have seen contrails appear then disappear quickly. But that doesn't mean that all contrails must behave this way. If climatic conditions are adequate, a contrail can persist much longer than a few seconds. But the climatic conditions can vary considerably at different altitudes and locations, so an aircraft can go from producing persisting contrails to nothing quite easily.

Also, the atmospheric conditions that are conducive for contrail formation often occur when there is natural cirrus cloud formation, which often precedes bad weather. This may be why you perceive that bad weather can follow contrail formation. I do not see any reason to believe that the white lines you see behind jet liners are maliciously intended to hurt us. After all, there would be far more effective methods than high altitude dispersion within engine exhaust.

The government (and many other people) will laugh off chemtrail claims, because most of the people making chemtrail claims refuse to learn even the basic principles of contrail formation, meaning they are merely repeating false claims without bothering to research the subject sufficiently. A little understanding could go a long way towards gaining credibility when making such claims.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:33 AM
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You can bet on rain whenever my sky is covered with chemtrails. You can bet that my sinuses will start draining too, nose runny and coughing. This may last only on the day the chems are sprayed. The past 2 weeks early in the morning the sky is covered with criss-cross chem trails. Don't try to tell me the "fly boys" are just playing!

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Fantasy:


To all the chemtrail pilots and govt shills on here to cover it up......


There ain't no such animals.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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You can bet on rain whenever my sky is covered with chemtrails.


NO such things as "chemtrails", sorry. But, replace that word with contrails and you're on to something. Contrails can be a precursor to changing weather that's on its way naturally. It is how weather has behaved for the life of this planet....well, the last several billion years anyway.



You can bet that my sinuses will start draining too, nose runny and coughing. This may last only on the day the chems are sprayed.


Since there ARE no such things as "chemtrails" then you may wish to ascribe some other causal factor to your symptoms. Pollen from what ever native plant life in your area is the most likely culprit.



The past 2 weeks early in the morning the sky is covered with criss-cross chem trails. Don't try to tell me the "fly boys" are just playing!


"criss-cross"? Like, say....the roads and highways on a map, for example?? You realize that airplanes are flying on many different courses, to get from Airport 'A' to Airport 'B', correct??



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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There are snails in my garden that leave a slimy trail. I know that "science" will tell you it's a natural secretion, but I'm pretty sure the government retrofitted these snails to leave trails of mind control chemicals all over my Better Boy tomatoes. I have nothing solid to back this up, mind you, but those trails just can't be natural. How deep does this rabbit hole go?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Are they commercial or military type snails?
I know the long haul snails, the ones that will go all the way across your garden, are probably ok.
But the smaller, darker ones, without any markings on their shells, that criss-cross your vegetable patch, and leave little patterns, sometimes like illuminati symbols, they are chem-snails.
Have a look around your garden for a base, they must be refueling somewhere.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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I can make this very easy for those that still don't believe in chemtrails. If you live in a big city such as Boston its way easier. Watch the sky casually during the day EVERY commercial plane has a contrail and it runs from 3 to 7 times the length of the plane behind it AND follows the plane across the sky. A plane that is spraying chemicals leaves that trail behind and it stays visible for hours. I have an outside job near Logan airport and i get to see this every day. Chemtrailing is real.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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bah just erase


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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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That's quite enough with the attacks

If you can not debate with maturity, do not debate at all

Fair warning

Post Bans are next



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Worldsgonenuts
 


Fantasy:


To all the chemtrail pilots and govt shills on here to cover it up......


There ain't no such animals.


The lengths the government can go to get information or hide information, you think giving someone a minimum wage salary to post dis-info here isn't worth it?

You don't know nothing at all...
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Still not quite correct, let's zero in on the facts, shall we?


Watch the sky casually during the day EVERY commercial plane has a contrail and it runs from 3 to 7 times the length of the plane behind it AND follows the plane across the sky.


No, not every airplane makes a contrail every day. The variations in the atmospheric conditions are completely and utterly responsible for the appearance and behavior of the contrails, and even whether or not they form at all.



A plane that is spraying chemicals leaves that trail behind and it stays visible for hours.


This is merely a contrail that is persistent, and is completely and exactly the same as a cirrus cloud of any other kind.


I have an outside job near Logan airport and i get to see this every day. Chemtrailing is real.


Your proximity to Logan Airport is irrelevant, since the contrails will not, never, ever be formed by local traffic into/out of Logan.

You are seeing normal contrails by normal air traffic that is merely overflying the Boston area. There are no such things as "chemtrails".

Period.

Full stop.

They are a hoax and myth, concocted by a few (at first) charlatans who wished to use the naïveté and ignorance of others in order to perpetuate the hoax. This was also, in the beginning, to promote quack "cures" and "remedies" for non-existent maladies.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
If you can not debate with maturity, do not debate at all


The whole chemtrail forum is always like that.

You have one side that thinks chemtrails will all kill us and the other where chemtrails never existed.
IMO, both sides are wrong.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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There's a hole in the corner of my garden. I think it's a space/time portal, but the books I've read say it's a hole dug by chipmunks. Whatever. I don't trust books, because schills and government plants are everywhere. I think the snails come from a government lab in an alternate dimension that lies just on the other side of that hole. The snails are unmarked and are quite clearly here to kill me and everyone I care about.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Fun reading the comments here, though some seem a little close minded.
Here's my up close experience with what I would describe as a chemtrail. My post is about half way down the page.
The thread is regarding Ted Gunderson, the link was posted to his video earlier in this thread.
Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

There are several more times I have seen fighters fly in with another similar white jet, maybe a few miles off the coast.
Spraying a very long line, shut off the spray, fly around and start up another, line after line.
Very strange that almost every time I notice it there are military jets right near the spraying.
Then they leave together?

I'm definitely not an expert on identifying large aircraft, this is just my story on what I saw and my opinion.
We don't live in a high air traffic area, we seldom see larger aircraft here, just 1 small airport on top of a hill.
I have no idea what type of chemical was being released, but I can swear that several perpendicular lines were dumped, on numerous occasions.
They slowly meandered, unbroken, across the sky for around an hour, until they passed from view behind the first set of mountains inland from the coast.

To me it doesn't really matter what the chemical is composed of or what the purpose is.
Cloud seeding, UV reflection...
It's still crap being dumped on us without permission from the people, one reason or the other.
I don't trust their reasoning, it's obvious our health isn't top priority for them to say the least.
It's illegal do dump anything on us without our consent. Have they conducted long term studies on the effects of the numerous things that are dumped/sprayed all over the place? I'd gamble to say they haven't.
We need to close the loopholes that exist in policies and law that allow this blatant disrespect for people and their well being.

For the sake of argument let's say it's really bad stuff that is being sprayed. Take your pick on what it might be.
I've thought about the fact that if it's in the airstream that everyone will become in contact with said chemical.
If the government, or military, or some special agency is in charge of this conspiracy (as far fetched as it may sound to you), I figured it would make sense for them to have a method of detoxifying the specific chemical or contaminant it might be. A shot, or a pill or something. I believe it could be fairly easy if only a few people knew anything about it. The people flying the planes may not understand what it is they're dumping.

Like I said this is an extreme example, and I don't believe this particular scenario to be true.
My stance remains, regardless what it is...
They don't have the people's permission.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird

Your proximity to Logan Airport is irrelevant, since the contrails will not, never, ever be formed by local traffic into/out of Logan.

You are seeing normal contrails by normal air traffic that is merely overflying the Boston area. There are no such things as "chemtrails".


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Not always true (although it is in 99.99% of cases).I've seen civil airliners making contrails taking off from London Gatwick airport (we're about 190 feet AMSL here).This was back in the 1970s then we had some very strange weather for a week or so.It was a long time ago so can't remember the exact details,but I know it was winter and bitterly cold the whole time.

Chris.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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To add also that our government seem to care less about the radiation levels from Japan, and give little to no worry about how that could affect the people, or how to counteract the toxicity.
General disregard about public health is the feeling I get from U.S. government regarding these issues



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Probably due to high humidity - you sometimes get contrails in areas where the pressure changes - these are referred to as "aerodynamic contrails", amnd form for hte same reason that you sometimes get a braod swathe of contrail off a whole wing at cruising altitude.

They often form at the edge of flaps as a think white streamer.

they disappear quite quickly because they are not adding any moisture to the air as engines do - rather they form because air having its pressure lowered cools (remember the gas laws from high school physics??), so cannot hold as much moisture, an the surplus condenses out until the air warms up again.





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