Sometimes the proof is right in front of us. Confessions from a chemtrail moron.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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The chemtrails debunkers constantly talk about : What they shoot to kill us, hide niberu, make us sick, infertile, damages our brains, mind control...( everything that's easy to ridicule )

Chemtrails for critical thinkers : A possible technology mostly for geo-engeneering




posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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I've been the laughing stock of my family about chemtrails for years but even they are starting to come around to the fact that all those "trails" in the sky can't possibly be from commercial planes (especially when you can watch the spray being dispersed without seeing the actual plane).

A quick search shows there are 28,537 commercial flights per day. That's a lot of contrails.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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They need aerosoles to spray into the air for geo-engineering and weather modification to take place. Whether or not chemtrails take part in this in a larger scale is up for a debate. It must be noted however, that in this company, they must spray aerosoles into the sky, before charging the ions to produce any affect. Could be the same process as weather modification, just in a larger scale



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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No, they don't need to spray aerosols at all. Why do you think this? Cloud seeding makes use of natural aerosols, what we call 'clouds'. Clouds are not created, only seeded. They already have to be there. That's what the diagram you linked to illustrates.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
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No, they don't need to spray aerosols at all. Why do you think this? Cloud seeding makes use of natural aerosols, what we call 'clouds'. Clouds are not created, only seeded. They already have to be there. That's what the diagram you linked to illustrates.
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Read these:

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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before the 1990s, when everyone developed skin cancers due to the overexposure to the sun , lots of people spent the 60s, 70s & 80s sunbathing and exposing themselves to the sun like fools (Me included). Factor 2 Hawiian Tropic oil was my protection of choice or nothing (the oil made the wax on my surf board slippery)
Vitamin D deficency was surely less of a problem. Now everyone uses tons of sun screen and avoids the sun like moles. Me included. No skin cancer yet a 52, keeping my fingers crossed and Beta-carotene levels up (yummy salad) sorta...
Now adays we have widespred Vitamin D deficiencies all over the place..........and here in Cocoa Beach & surrounding areas, a bunch of pastey widdled on and bandaged former sungods and godesses and rich as f**k and much in demand dematologists.


One question, if anyone knows please elaborate. I had heard rumors years ago that the space launches would burn out the ozone in a certain diameter of flame contact. this hole would eventually close, but during the closure time an area of no ozone resulting in extreme UV intensity would occur. This would cause increased UV exposure to those on the ground in the area aligned to the sun and the "no ozone" hole.
Anyone else hear anything about that?
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Just a couple of questions, this is my first time venturing into the chemtrail debate:

-What do you believe is contained in chemtrails?
-What effect do they hope to achieve?
-How much is sprayed per day?
-Other than pictures of contrails, what evidence is there of chemtrails? Official documents, reports, reputable news outlets with information... anything?

If you can, links would be very much appreciated.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Maybe when I have enough time to get through it, but thanks for the link.


For now though, as I understand it, Atlant electrically generates a plume of negatively charged ions which are carried upwards by air currents into the cloud layer where it generates precipitation, the aerosols in question are the clouds, these are the most common natural aerosols in the atmosphere.

Can you point to where our understanding of this differs or where spraying is said to be required? Thanks in advance.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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A quick search hasn't revealed the answer to this.Has anyone ever taken an up close sample (or as close as safely possible) of an alleged chemtrail to find out what's actually in them,assuming it isn't all water vapour?

Chris.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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A contrail is frozen water vapor. FROZEN WATER! If these are contrails then how do they not melt in front of the suns hot rays.


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I saw this just about every day in Texas when we wear having a drought 100F+ degrees for more then 100 days with no rain. How can contrails witch are in front of the sun exist in a 100+ degree weather. The water vapor would not be able to freeze especially in front of the summer sun.

This is not the only reason i believe we have a HUGE world wide weather manipulation program. ("we" meaning the worlds most powerful country's working together not just the USA.) Most people do not realize this but google earth has a weather option you can turn on and it will show the clouds. It will not show all the clouds but the big masses of them it will. When the japan earth quake hit and radiation was being brought to the US 1 week after the jet streams changed. Instead of winds from japan going to California and breezing across the US, they made them go up to alaska and loop around back into around into japan. They are still doing this. Go read some conman knowledge on the jet streams and you will see that the jet streams now ARE WACKY, full 90 and 180 degree turns like some one is controlling them.

I used to stay up real late just to study the weather patterns. Around 1:30 EVERY night we would have a HUGE blanket of clouds fly over us. When its morning they are all gone and have flown over our head. They move at supper fast speeds but do not create a wind draft. I think they spray these mass amount of clouds from the ground or the gulf (they come from the direction of the gulf of mexico) and they are moved to athoer land masses to create storms or clouds cover. I know we have seen the mass BLANKETS of clouds covering our city's, that is not normal. This mans channel has thought me allot. He has allot of information in his older videos and on his site. Now he really just does updates because every one that has subscribed to him knows.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by 8ILlBILl8
A contrail is frozen water vapor. FROZEN WATER! If these are contrails then how do they not melt in front of the suns hot rays.


Because it's -40 degrees at the altitude where the contrails form.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Hmmm....

Spraying corexit - low altitude to ensure it lands on the intended target.

Spraying agent orange - low altitude to ensure it lands on the intended target.

Spraying fire suppressant - low altitude to ensure it lands on the intended target.

Spraying for mosquitos - low altutide to ensure it lands on the intended target.

Seeing a theme here?

Spraying chemtrails - high altitude to...... blow away and never actually reach the ground?....



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by User8911

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by spacejosh
 


Yep - the blocking view of nibiru theory is known - I've mentioned it occasionally in lists of purported reasons for chemtrail & here's a 3 yr olf thread about it - www.abovetopsecret.com...


Always gotta ridicule the whole mass of chemtrail believers with absurd uses of them.


What ridicule??


But cloud seeding with chemicals isn't chemtrails, oh no because it's scientific...


no - it isn't "chemtrails" because it isn't secret, isn't geoengineering, isn't done on clear days, doesn't leave trails across teh sky, doesn't expand out into cloud, isn't done by airliners at high altitude


I'm on the fence with all this chemtrail stuff, most of it does sound absurd but you debunkers are really something...you make me want to REALLY believe there is something going on.


Why not just look at the verifiable evidence??



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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In your own words.

What is an aerosol?



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by de Thor
Just a couple of questions, this is my first time venturing into the chemtrail debate:

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There is a chemtrail page on wiki which is heavily on the "skeptical" side but has many links to chemtrail support articles as well - en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by grubblesnert
reply to post by webpirate
 
before the 1990s, when everyone developed skin cancers due to the overexposure to the sun , lots of people spent the 60s, 70s & 80s sunbathing and exposing themselves to the sun like fools (Me included).


ditto - used to peel off square inches of skin at a time as a kid!!

A bit worried about what might happen now...but too late to do anythign about it!


One question, if anyone knows please elaborate. I had heard rumors years ago that the space launches would burn out the ozone in a certain diameter of flame contact. this hole would eventually close, but during the closure time an area of no ozone resulting in extreme UV intensity would occur. This would cause increased UV exposure to those on the ground in the area aligned to the sun and the "no ozone" hole.
Anyone else hear anything about that


apparently NASA get asked it too - here's their answer - NASA FAQ

Here's a Google search for "rocket launches burn hole in ozone layer" - there's a few articles you might find interesting



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by 8ILlBILl8
A contrail is frozen water vapor. FROZEN WATER! If these are contrails then how do they not melt in front of the suns hot rays.


Because it's -40 degrees at the altitude where the contrails form.


In a Texas drought of 100 degree weather for more then 100 days right INFRONT of the sun? No way its that cold....
Heat rises
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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C'mon, you don't trust big brother and our government? Why not? Just because they're 100% factually spraying chemicals above us, doesn't mean they are harming us. Trust them, they are your friends. Just keep watching TV and do what they tell you. They're spraying the chemicals to protect you.

Seriously though, They are spraying something. For what purpose is unknown, and anyone saying they know for sure is probably full of it. I have no clue if it's for good or evil.
Neither do you.

But we can be pretty sure it's not poison...seeing how people aren't dying off left and right. Although, there are a lot of people coming down with mysterious illnesses that no one can explain. Headaches and stomach pains are common symptoms.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by grubblesnert
reply to post by webpirate
 
before the 1990s, when everyone developed skin cancers due to the overexposure to the sun , lots of people spent the 60s, 70s & 80s sunbathing and exposing themselves to the sun like fools (Me included).


ditto - used to peel off square inches of skin at a time as a kid!!

A bit worried about what might happen now...but too late to do anythign about it!


One question, if anyone knows please elaborate. I had heard rumors years ago that the space launches would burn out the ozone in a certain diameter of flame contact. this hole would eventually close, but during the closure time an area of no ozone resulting in extreme UV intensity would occur. This would cause increased UV exposure to those on the ground in the area aligned to the sun and the "no ozone" hole.
Anyone else hear anything about that


apparently NASA get asked it too - here's their answer - NASA FAQ

Here's a Google search for "rocket launches burn hole in ozone layer" - there's a few articles you might find interesting


Was that caused by the sun or the sunblock



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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It's always -40 at SOME altitude, no matter what the temperature is on the ground. If anything you just need to go a bit higher.

Temperature drops an average of 3.5 F for every 1,000 feet you go up. So at 40,000 feet it's about 140 degrees colder than it is at sea level.

So if it's 100 degrees F on the ground, then on average it will be -40 degrees at around 40,000 feet. (that's just an average, actual temperature/altitude will vary)

[ETA: if "heat rises" is the reasoning you are using, then explain why it's colder at the top of mountains than at the beach?]
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