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As I've pointed out earlier, the "star of enlightenment" symbolized by Venus at the moment of Buddha's enlightenment may be considered the star of isolate consciousness (one with everything).
But what happens when this is framed with the Jewish mystical tradition (tree of life) and in terms of what I call "the relativity of human being" (brotherhood of man)?
The Hindu tradition as well describes the relationship between Atman and Brahman to be that between a lover and beloved other, not unlike a parent/child relationship.. what I call the "indespensible I-Thou relationship" with God as the Absolute (Tao).
And to this very day, one of the twelve days of Christmas, in celebration of the Three Wise Men (from the Orient or far east), is known as Epiphany!
They all share the same sources. You're mistaken.
Ah..what are you defending?
And did you say serve/love God or go to hell? How can one love God authentically under that kind of duress?
Originally posted by Gorman91
What the hell does a modern art piece have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Gorman91
Ah..what are you defending?
The truth that Christ lived and died in the same region and never drew any influence from other religions. That he always knew what he would do, never trained to know more, for he already knew.
It's called "The Broken Sphere" and it sits at the Vatican. I believe it's symbolic of the re-birth of Christ. A sphere or a dot within a sphere represents illumination from above. The human being, as a self aware being and by divine proportion is very much like a sphere within a sphere, and that which envelopes the outer sphere is the Tao or Brahma or in Jesus lingo the "Heavenly Father" as the first father of creation (first/last cause, alpha & omega).
Why is that so important to you?
P.S. There is no possibility of hell in the flow of life as a free offering from the Spirit and the Bride to all who thirst. It, along with the beast, are cast into the abyss (oblivion), thus placing everyone back on the karmic wheel, along with a resolution to the paradox of the karmic wheel, in the person and spirit of Christ, capable of making of repentant sinners, Bodhisatvas.
The Good Shepherd and His Sheep
1 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
19 The Jews who heard these words were again divided. 20 Many of them said, “He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?”
21 But others said, “These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”
Further Conflict Over Jesus’ Claims
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed, 41 and many people came to him. They said, “Though John never performed a sign, all that John said about this man was true.” 42 And in that place many believed in Jesus.
God CAN be tempted
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
But that you can't read me, or hear me, simply because I am not the Pope, is absurd.
So when you are tempted or give in to temptation, you must be separate from God, and therefore in hell of some sort..?
"sin with courage"
There are two trees, one the tree of the duality of the knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
Does that make sense? Yes, it does. And it leads to eternal life, and not to destruction since the dualistic tree is a false reality, and therefore is and always will be cut off from the source, when everything is integrated (harvested).