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The NAZI Phoenix that rose from Hitler's Germany ashes of WWII to Kill an America President

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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 07:17 PM
Many serious minds seek the whole truth and to understand all the factors involved in the JFK Assassination and some have tripped over the theme of JFK as a Bump on the Road toward the way of Armageddon. It is interesting that the legendary Plains of Armageddon are in the region of Nazareth and Mt. Carmel, so many find it interesting that the problems return to the region of the Essene's Holy Mountain. Like it or not, JFK stepped into the middle of some great manipulations of religion and one that was long running and very serious to one desperate faction not well founded on truth and Freedom.

Everyone knows that one of the biggest cover ups on the JFK assassination are the conversations between JFK and Ben Gurion. Israel had immense problems due to their bad ideas and planning to return to the region of Israel with the long standing matters of the Essene and Pharisee differences. In many ways the Pharisee are wed to the theme of the Rothschilds Banking and their Royal Wealth dealings. The Royalists and the Rothschilds can't really have any historical foundations for existence and goodness unless they play it out as stemming from this old religion's want of legitimacy and being some long term theme for god. Unfortunately, their plans are being seen to come into better view of late as being more the designs of Nimrod and corrupt Babylon's theme for religion, thus what some call Satan.

As this plays out, the Jewish 2nd temple Pharisee theme must be forced into the prime issue for religion over legitimacy games, but the message of Revelation just won't go away that speaks to the Evil presence. Many of the Evangelicals are funding and helping Israel for the simple reason that they need its illegitimacy to come along to set the stage for the return of the Essene theme or that of Jesus. It is oxymoron that the evil part of religion has to be boosted to set the stage for a massive world war to overcome all these opposing themes of religion that cause these Wars and Rumors of Wars. The stage has been long known from the theme of Revelations.

Israel was born out of some interesting writings from religion that said the Jewish were to inherit the Holy Lands, but what is side stepped was not all Jewish folks were considered pious and legitimate. So, over the millennium of persecution of the Jewish derived folks following their Babylon Talmud they took the low road and many didn't like their designs. The Babylon Talmud claims religious rights and the opposition sees obvious lies for self aggrandizements.

So, due to all these screwed up religion concepts the Jewish Elements in positions of power tried to find a location so these Jewish folks following the lower road can live in Peace. In the times of WWI, the European Rothschilds decided to help the British with money problems for war, if they would agree to divide up the Colony of Palestine and make Israel. This did not occur until well after WWII, when the Rothschilds reminded Britain of the deal. The British did not give in readily as the Irgun, Stern Gang, and other Jewish elements in Palestine had to use terrorism against the British to force them to pull out and divide Palestine. Persons like David Ben Gurion were involved in this blood letting and also some blood baths to scare the Arab inhabitants out of the new Israel, as the British left things in a shambles due to all the Zionist's attacks.

After the Arab Neighbors of Palestine saw this they wanted these occupiers of Palestine driven into the Mediterranean. So, before the division there was already a Jewish Army, but after most of the Middle East's Arabs became enraged, the Israelis needed a whole lot bigger Army and a lot of weapons. So, lots of different Pro-Zionists began pouring money and weapons into Israel and various corrupt deals to steal even airplanes from the US went down. Israel desperately wanted the Bomb and many of the Jewish linked nuclear scientists were more than willing to show them how to make one. Even France was helping Israel on nuclear reactors, but that became as issue over nuclear weapons proliferation for both DeGaulle and John Kennedy. Israel, with the same sense of urgency that they killed British Soldiers and killed Arabs to gain a foothold on Palestine, they went after the power of the nuclear Bomb. They wanted the massive weapons deterrence that the bombs dropped on Japan created.

The conversations and communications between Ben Gurion and JFK are all locked away because that contains this desperation to have the bomb for the perceived survival of the Jewish in Israel that were surrounded by Arabs that didn't like the way they took over and occupied Palestine. The Zionist perspective for Ben Gurion was that "Never Again" means rejection of the Jesus Revelations linked themes, and the absolute need for nuclear weapons. But, when the world looks at that ambition it has to conclude it is the root of evil incarnate because it doesn't have a balanced Freedom, nor the support of truth. If one looks at the founding of the Bilderbergs it stems from the rich Royalists and their bankers that were intent on using the theme of Global Corporation methods to replace the Empire games of Colonialism. Everyone seems to think the British lost their dominance and Empire status, but the real story is it grew even larger with the inclusion of the Biilderberg alliances and Corporation methods. The Bilderberg's Espionage and Enforcement agency was PERMINDEX, which would kill, launder drug money, and network to expand their World Trade Global Corporation games. Bilderberg was the invention of Victor Rothschild of Britain.

PERMINDEX's creation involved mostly those that had a benovelent design for Israel and the Jewish. So, one finds a lot of old OSS linked persons like Ferenc Nagy and George Mandel, who smuggled the Jewish out of Hitler's reach. One finds Louis Bloomfield who trained the Jewish Army before Israel existed and came to control lots of PERMINDEX from Canada. So, given the dire reasoning of the fact that the Zionists have killed and tried to kill in their interests, it is not at all unusual they would be associated with killing JFK. Half of Europe knew these benevolent benefactors for Zionism tried to kill General DeGaulle in France over quitting Arab Algeria in the Northern Africa zone to join the other North African elements that hated Israel also. DeGaulle also quit the help for Israel on the Dimona reactor that Israel considered essential for their very survival due to all the hostile Arabs wanted them either all gone or all killed.

JFK didn't play the Bilderberg's Games or the Rothschilds, and JFK wanted the Zionist Agents all listed as Foreign Agents in the US that would literally kill their support in the US. JFK also was putting the screws to Ben Gurion for failure to declare their Dimona Nuclear plant and their work on a Nuclear Bomb. So, JFK became the prime enemy of the Zionist State of Israel, and they didn't have any problem with this due to Catholic Joe Kennedy and John Kennedy obvious lack of support for those of the more corrupt religion. The highest factor in the JFK assassination was that Catholic John Kennedy was a bump on the road to the eventual prediction of Armageddon for Israel at the Plains of Armageddon. So, one has to question was JFK all the more correct to try to diffuse this situation and save 2/3 of the world from a massive nuclear war, or were these so called benevolent types that plotted to kill JFK using other corrupt US domestic elements that hated JFK for his honest and forthright directions for American's Freedom and Peace.

Obvious, there are big lessons to be learned that are going to affect the entire planet and there are those who used and abused religion for their own selfish gains to go against the world's Freedoms using Corportate Fascism. What is in evidence is the designs of the Bilderbergs and PERMINDEX for Zionist games toward non-pious concepts in religion that have been expressed by massive numbers with killing those telling the stories of the so called Satan Forces. The power of the written word expressed as an ultimate all knowing truth has come to force the world into supporting these Satan methods handed down from Nimrod. One must ask how the entire world has been duped into support for evil and that ultimate truth for evil is the very founding for the term Money as the root of Evil.

JFK failed in his protections of America's Freedom, but only via the designs of the Satanic Forces behind Global Money and wealth behind those very guns of Dallas that killed him. If there is an ultimate truth it is that all Good Men require Freedom and Freedom should not be con screwed to be any Freedom of the Rich to lord over the poorer people via any methods. JFK understood all these factors, and Americans that want to defend themselves, as well is honor JFK, should be at least as well versed on these factors.

Many bad thing happen when Good Men loose their Moral Compass over Evils persuits. JFK kept his Moral Compass right into Death's Doorway, but there are those elements in religion that can't be so respected for the deceits and treachery using religion.

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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 08:57 PM
Normally, one would not think that the JFK assassination was right in the middle of an old religion game that was linked to great evils pertaining to money and usury, but JFK was working against those with designs to conquor the USA from within. This old money game stems from the teachings linked to the Babylon Talmud methods and the Nimrod games of Babylon. Hard to believe? Not that difficult, if one recaps the history well.

Some of the history of financial issues for which Joe Kennedy and Jack Kennedy was very good understanding pertained to banking and the uses of usury, as well as where usury came from and how it started. I think it was Khruschev that stated the US would fall from within and with nearing 50 years after JFK tried to save the USA from a similar fate as Romes, the US is falling.

JFK was very well read and understood lots of history of money in Europe. It isn't very difficult to track down that most tell that usury started in Babylon under the rules of Nimrod. We can even see some of these old rules from the Babylon prime days captured by the "Stone of Hammurabi":


Because Babylonia's economy functioned partly on metal currency and partly on barter, the laws also established certain standards and limits for loan agreements to control an abuse of usury. The code stipulates that a lender could charge at most 20 percent for a silver-based loan and 33.3 percent for a grain loan. Lenders also had to finalize the contract in front of witnesses and wait for harvest time before demanding repayment. What's more, the code addresses the idea of a secured loan (one backed by valuable collateral) as well. Property in the form of land and houses -- or even wives and children -- could serve as collateral, too. Those in severe debt could enter indentured servitude to pay it off.


Others capture more of the story of what happened to Rome and the very same games are being played out against the USA today. JFK tried to stop this as both he, his dad, and the founding fathers said that the Money should be always under the direction of the Govt. itself. Unfortunately, the Federal Reseve does not serve that purpose, and is a Nimrod method to expoit the US and pull it down from within:


The Roman government was far too corrupt already with its politicians bought by moneychangers for any fledgling Christian sect to have an affect on its decline. The moneychanger's demand was perpetually self-serving, which was disparate to the common good of the populace. Originally, Rome was founded as a republic. The unchecked influence of the moneychangers caused it to change into a democracy. A republic is derived through the election of public officials whose attitude toward property is respected in terms of law for individual rights. A democracy is derived through the election of public officials whose attitude toward property is communistic and respects the "collective good" of the population instead of the individual. This is the resultant system that moneychangers bring to civilization. The subversion of power is a sleight of hand that changes the right of the individual into what is often called the "collective good" of the people (communistic), which is always controlled by an alliance of powerful interests.


Others have captured and traced this Babylon effect that corrupted both religion and governmet for the gains of the few. Today, the problem traces to the Rothschilds system, the City of London, and their Bilderberg pals:


Banking developed in Babylon. Once relative values were placed on commodities (like cattle, grains or craft), silver and gold became accepted as a store of values and convenient means of exchange. In order to guarantee the safety of their wealth, Nimrod, the priest-king, offered the temple vaults and protection of the gods as security for the treasure of his citizens. Observing that the bulk of deposits remained in the vaults at any one time, he developed the lucrative concept of fractional reserve banking.

This device was the key to unparalleled prosperity and unbounded influence. Nimrod explained and franchised his scheme to certain trusted commoners who were licensed to take deposits and lend gold from the temple vaults at 20% interest. Nimrod's next innovation was to issue clay tablet receipts in the value of the gold, and sealed with the high priest's signet as legal tender. A precursor of today's paper money. Safer and easier to carry than bullion, it quickly gained acceptance.

It is this same debt-money system that the merchants of Venice use to rule and impoverish the world today under governance of the Babylonian Talmud with its authoritarian dictation on everything from their immorality to their trade practices (The Babylonian Woe, David Astle; Descent into Slavery, Des Griffin, pp266-270).


It is noteworthy that whilst the Khazar empire eventually declined and its citizens dispersed through Eastern Europe, and thus became invisible as "Jews", that the Roman Empire also became invisible. Imperial Rome divided between East and West and became the Holy Roman Empire which eventually broke up into ten parts after the fall of their last emperor, Romulus Augustus, in AD476. And as the Khazars rule the world from behind the scenes by their power of money, Imperial Rome became Papal Rome that rules in every country of the world by the power of their mystery religion.


We know this evil came from Babylon on this side of the Flood and trace Babylonian rule and religion to Pergamos, thence to Imperial and ultimately Papal Rome. It appears that the Illuminati and the Black Nobility have as their public face, the Bilderbergers, where they share common ground with their rivals, the Vatican, and the Freemasons, and lesser groups like the CFR, and Trilateralists.

It appears this ancient rivalry between the church and aristocracy has existed since Rome divided into ten kingdoms. The Vatican and Black Nobility are both usurpers. The one has usurped Christianity and in the absence of Jesus, made their Pope, not the Holy Spirit, head of the Church. The other has usurped the Europe's land. They each derive their authority from Babylonian mystery teachings. The Political Zionists, or International Bankers, are Khazar Jews. And like the Black Nobility they are usurpers, stealing Israel's claim to Abraham's Covenant. Their authority is the Babylonian Talmud.

The distinction between the "Black Nobility", specifically the British Royal Family, and "The City" or "Crown" of London, is a device for distancing the Khazar nobility from the activities of the Khazar "commoners".


So, when JFK took on the Federal Reserve using the JFK US Note system, he challenged this old Babylon Talmud method of the Jewish Bankers, and especially the City of London's power seeking over anything and everything to be exploited worse than the Colonial Systems. JFK was about to break the back of the usury system of Europe to exploit the USA. Had JFK succeeded the US might not be in the terrible position it finds itself today due to exploitation worse than Roman times.

It was this hidden history that Hitler's Germany experienced and knew this old Roman history. This is why both Germany and Russia moved to remove the Jewish from Govt and other positions of influence. The many hundreds of Pograms against the Jewish in Russia occured for the same problems as seen in Rome. Similarly, JFK using the US Notes sought to toss these Jewish Babylon Talmud based usury systems out of the US domination. With JFK moves, The International Bankers saw Russia and Germany happening to them all over again.

It was also a large part of why the new money HL Hunt gang in Dallas had to be careful to fully frame up these highly corrupt and dangerous old money Jewish elements linked to Bilderbergs and the City of London to come out on top of the game of killing JFK.

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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 12:47 PM
Some of the lastest news on the JFK theme is coming from Tommy Wilkens who lives part time in Belgium and Florida. His interest is White Russian oil man George de Mohrenschildt's connections to the JFK assassination and LHO. Wilkens is looking at a Netherlands reporter named Willem Oltmans who was interviewing de Mohrenschildt near the time of his death. Oltmans has passed these days, but he left good records of all his interests, and Mr. Wilkens is digging those issues out.

One of the more interesting issues that is coming out of Oltmans diaries and such is that de Mohrenschildt thought JFK would have been killed way before Nov. 22. Oltmans was also interviewed by Jim Garrision and he tells Garrison that the run up for the idea to kill JFK occured in Feb. 1963. So, if we look around at what all was happening in this time frame we find what appears to be the movement that keyed off the kill JFK theme.

What we find is that Dallas' General Walker is off collecting up radical right wing church hate folks and doing what was called the "Operation Midnight Ride" around the country for support against Civil Rights. The Operation Midnight Ride is meant to spin off the Paul Revere history and the Minutemen. General Walker is working close with religious extreme persons like Billy Hargis, and his old buddy back in Dallas HL Hunt who is the leader of the ACCC (American Council of Christian Churches), Pro-NAZI, and PERMINDEX associated.

This book by Gus Russo tells much of the story and spends a lot of time on de Mohrenschildt, though the Russo theme on LHO done it is highly off base.

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What this General Walker run up for the JFK assassination shows is how Southern persons like Joseph Milteer became so clued into the plot of off JFK and toss out the theme of the "Big Jew" killed JFK. This also appears the time that they connected up with Medford Bryan Evans, who was also big in the Manhattan Project at Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge came out against Civil Rights as Communists when they blew up the Clinton, Tennessee school with several cases of dynamite next door to Oak Ridge and the students had to be bussed into Oak Ridge. Oak Ridgers suddenly armed and they were ready to gun down Blacks at a moments notice.

On Nov 22, 1963, What appears to be Joselph Milteer is standing in the crowd near the Dal-Tex Building when JFK passes and is soon shot to death. A little more on Milteer is here:


Joseph Milteer was a wealthy southerner from Quitman,(4) Georgia with ultra-conservative extremist political leanings. He was an active member of the Constitutional America Party and had acquaintances in the Ku Klux Klan.(5) His politics were a mixture of right-wing extremism mixed with Evangelical Christianity and the belief in Armageddon. Evangelicals believe Jews are needed to establish a Jewish state so that Jesus will return, gather all Jews in Israel, and build a Temple. The world would then end and practically all the Jews would be killed at Armageddon. The few Jewish survivors would convert to Christianity.(6)

On November 9, 1963, a Miami police informant named William Somersett met with Milteer who outlined the assassination. Somersett was a union organizer with extensive right-wing political ties. President Kennedy was scheduled to come to Miami on November 18, 1963. As a security measure, the local police were monitoring known subversives like Milteer. A tape recorder and microphone was placed in Somersett’s apartment where the two men met.(7)


Feb. of 63 is just before what some suggest as LHO ties to shoot General Walker on April 10, 1963 in Dallas, but missed. LHO appeared to think Walker an extremely dangerous Fascist. LHO didn't like the Fascists of Dallas and LHO and JFK were on the same side of battling against these Nut Country Fascists, so LHO would have well liked JFK, but not the Nut Country Fascists like Hunt and Walker. Next thing we see is LHO is off to New Orleans and working for Guy Banister on the Castro supporter snooping issues and helping work on the Alton Oschner game of using Cancer to kill Castro. The Oschner plan follows right along the lines of the methods of White Russian Boris Pash, who collected up NAZI nuclear scientists, worked for the Manhattan Project, and killed lots of people using viruses and chemicals. Medford Bryan Evans would have well known the methods of how Boris Pash killed people and offered the suggestions for the kill Castro theme. This appears how LHO then becomes connected enough with Oak Ridge to come pay Oak Ridge a visit on July 26, 1963. So, Oak Ridge was both qued into the Castro Plotters that were working for Dallas PERMINDEX connections, and also clued into the fact that JFK would next be targeted. One of the Oak Ridge Y-12 plants workers went to High School in Chicago with Jack Ruby and also moved to Texas, and he is cited by many as also being a main player in the plot to kill JFK and the uses of Jack Ruby in Dallas. Oak Ridge nuclear weapons business would have been highly impact by JFK's peace designs and they wanted JFK out of the White House also.
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 06:51 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Interesting to say the least. Here's my only advice I'd give you. Remember History is written by the winners to be slanted in their opinion. You have some great points but we may never know for sure.

posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Hello Randolphman,

Certainly a good point on the winners write the history. If one applies the theme to the whole of the JFK assassination one finds many cases of the winners writing the history to suit themselves. Certainly deceit and treachery methods run deep into history from the cover up of the main reasons for Jesus death and his Essene Beliefs, to the church screwing up Christ's BD so it happens on Nimrod's BD. And even the issues of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost track back to Nimrod's games with the Mystery School methods.

When we go back to the issues of usury and how it should have been applied to make the Govt and the American People Free, it wasn't. If one looks carefully and deeply, one finds this theme started with Nimrod and Babylon and runs up to the days of JFK and his trying to reshape the usury benefits back to the People and not to private corporation banks.

Even when we get to JFK and LHO, that was all plotted to keep the people in the dark from these issues of religion and world power games for the NWO, and how it relates to the Bilderbergs/Rothschilds/City of London and so on.

Today, things have been spun so much that the truth is very hard to see most all the time. And the ultimate truth is money and power corrupt absolutely. And Truth can set folks Free.

I'd think with all the stuff the Govt still has locked away on JFK that there will come a report or admission of the exact groups and persons involved and they knew from day one, if not much before, the who did it theme. There are even a bunch of undisclosed PERMINDEX documents in Canada they won't turn loose.

In the mean time, the basic plotters are pretty obvious if one starts with the Dallas John Birch Gang.

posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 08:35 PM
Another one of the documents that sets off a lot of attention is the issue of JFK wanting to know the UFO secrets, which was dated November 12, 1963. One of the news articles that speaks to this is here:


An uncovered letter written by John F Kennedy to the head of the CIA shows that the president demanded to be shown highly confidential documents about UFOs 10 days before his assassination.

The secret memo is one of two letters written by JFK asking for information about the paranormal on November 12 1963, which have been released by the CIA for the first time.
Author William Lester said the CIA released the documents to him under the Freedom of Information Act after he made a request while researching his new book 'A Celebration of Freedom: JFK and the New Frontier.'


Once one gets into the UFO theme one gets into the theme of a claimed UFO at Roswell, New Mexico and the famous MJ-12 papers that speak to 1947, Truman, and Roswell. It also names 12 persons that are the heart of the operations or conservatorship.

JFK asked a tough question that goes back to the times of the NAZI's Rocket Scientists and other NAZI scientists being sneaked into the US by sanitizing their war history. Truman specifically said no war criminals, but between Allan Dulles and the others wanting all the NAZI technology and information, at any cost, all kinds of NAZI criminals were brought into the US.

Most of the Rocket Scientists landed at the Ft. Bliss, Tx. military base and their rockets and other equipments were shipped by rail to Roswell AFB in New Mexico. Both these sites sit right beside the famous White Sands Missle Range where Goddard started his missle testing and this later became the Trinity Site for the first Atom Bomb test. After the war, the White Sands Range was still doing a highly secret nuclear test in 1947 to check for the blinding effects on RADAR for atmospheric nuclear explosions and also testing some of the lenticular aircraft designs from the NAZIs, with no wings to break off. They were also looking at the flash and burn characteristics for pilots cought off guard in a nuclear weapons fight. So, just as the NAZIs did in their work camps, they used live persons in New Mexico to see what would happen. This was not unusual as the Trinity test had litte Brown Skin Natives in cages at varied distances from the Ground Zero to see what would happen to them. Those are the most highly kept secrets of the Manhattan Project, as they were involved with War Crimes.

They experienced one serious problem when one of the test vehicles got lost onto private ranch lands and was found and people started to talk. That was a huge problem at the time, due to the fact that explaining that would expose all these NAZIs the crooked Dulles types stashed in Texas, and they'd have to explain human experimental testing done at Trinity and this later atmospheric test in 1947. Since, they could not admit what happened in plain languages, they spun the information to hide the crimes. Thus was born the cover up story of UFO's and Space Aliens, which they termed extraterrestrials. The simple reality was the Govt types were lying their rears off to avoid being hung at Neuremberg with their NAZI pals. The extraterrestrial term also means above the laws of the planet, and doesn't have a thing to do with any persons from space or away from Earth.

So, when JFK steps into this and asks for the real information, shack waves, the CIA types are going we can't tell JFK that because he'll have us strung up as he was already after the corrupted CIA. So, this Nov. 12, 1963 quest for the truth on the US UFO's set up a huge resistance from Dulles and the CIA crowd to keep the lid on the real story. They'd kill to keep that locked up. Of course, the issues of MJ-12 get into the mix too, as these were the higher level types backing the cover up of what happened with the Human Experiments that happened at White Sands and drifted over to Near Roswell to a Ranch area.

One can read the MJ-12 issues linked to Truman in 1947 and the Roswell connection here:

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So, when JFK asked for these UFO documents linked to Roswell in 1947 that was a death sentence for persons like Allan Dulles and those that helped him admit NAZI war criminals in the US that then became involved in Human Experiment Nuclear testing with aircraft and human factors effects from flash and radiation. Persons like Boris Pash was even into the import of NAZI nuclear scientists in the US, so even Manhattan Project people were in huge trouble. It would also highly affect many of the NAZI Nuclear rocket scientists working for the NASA project. What else do we find, but NAZI persons like Wehrner VonBraun are a part of DISC and PERMINDEX. So, do they get the Foreign Element to eliminate JFK or use the CIA itself? They'd use PERMINDEX but become extremely careful to frame up their Jewish elements to keep them from hitting back at the NAZI war criminal elements. HL Hunt, being very Pro-NAZI, and knowing the Ft. Bliss Texas history for the NAZIs planned into the Dallas Assassination lots of the Jewish associations to protect these NASA NAZI's and himself.

Those that knew JFK's real inclinations knew the JFK hated Curtis LeMay and Curtis LeMay was custodian of these Roswell Crash remains at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio, and exposing that would also get rid of LeMay for JFK. Also, JFK's Catholic pal, James Forrestal, knew of this operation and he gets killed on May 22, 1949, and there were fears by the Truman gang that Forrestal would spill this information to get back at Truman for various issues. If JFK found that connection, LeMay would be hanged. And most tell that LeMay rushed back to make sure JFK was dead and helped in the cover up from the autopsy gallery area of Bathesda.

So, if one goes to visit the Roswell Museum many find little swastikas on the little models for what happened. The screw up at White Sand and Roswell was so bad that it ended the use of White Sands for nuclear testing and the testing moved to a much larger site in Nevada called the USAEC Nevada Test Site. They also moved the NAZI Rocket guys out of Ft. Bliss to remove their connections to White Sands and put them to work for Red Stone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. The Area 51 zone is a designation for the Nevada Test Site, and these old records on Human Experiment testing are stashed there under the highest classifiation security designation.

The NAZIs were into lenticular and wingless shuttle type aircraft and some used the Tesla method of spinning disks to pump air and others used Mnahattan Project discoveries with Bremstrahlung Radiation effects. These later methods used nuclear techniques of ionizing the air so that it conducted electricity and using a magnetic field and electric potential to acclerate the air. These were very silent methods for lift and propulsion in air. The method is similar to the MHD methods the Russians were working on linked to silent submarine propulsion with sea water, as in Hunt for Red October. Other Space methods used fission products from open reactor methods to provide lift from vectored relativistic fission particles.

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posted on Jan, 12 2012 @ 12:17 AM
Everyone that looks more closely at the European issues of PERMINDEX encounters a 1969 book by Paris Flammonde's called: "The Kennedy Conspiracy An Uncommissioned Report on the Jim Garrison Investigation" This was the book that formed many of the PERMINDEX information links used for the Torbitt Document.

It comes with these Reviews and is highly accepted:

One can read some of the book here:

What one notices from reading about PERMINDEX is that it started in Basil, Switzerland on the border of Switzerland, Germany, and France. Basil was also the location for the discover of '___' in 1943 and the location of the First Zionist Congress in 1897 by Theodor Herzel. The Bank for International Settlements formed in 1930 and is located in Basel and is the central banker's bank---(US, UK, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Sweden). When consensus could not be reached on locating the Bank in London, Brussels or Amsterdam, the choice fell on Switzerland. This is basically the networking Bank of the City of London's banks and the European Rothschild's banking associates.

Thus, one notices why Ferenc Nagy liked forming PERMINDEX in Basil, Switzerland. PERMINDEX's biggest players were those that supported Jewish and Zionist issues in WWII and afterwards. The Bilderbergs stated up in the Netherlands, due to Prince Berhard and the request of UK's Victor Rothschild. These big banker depend on the theme set up by the methods of Nimrod's uses of usury to gain wealth and power. The Big Banking model is that from Babylon, so they ultimately support the religion that supports their system. They also play off this religion to start wars in the region over their need to promote Corporatism as the replacement for Colonialism. Their god is Babylon's usury schemes and that of Rockefeller / IG Farben's corporatism extended into a Global Trade System for their New World Order.

When Paris Flammonde exposed PERMINDEX and its big banking fascist goals, he also exposed a group that promoted Israel, hated Communism that would put them out of business, and took up killer espionage methods to get what they wanted. The Flammonde book well exposed those after DeGaulle over quiting Dimona and setting Arab Algeria loose to join up with other North Africa Arabs states that hated Israel's existance. PERMINDEX was the Bilderberg's CIA and they came to operate in the US after they were chased out of Europe. The book speaks to just how unusual it was for Ferenc Nagy to locate in Dallas, Texas. It was not that unusual when one considers the Pro-NAZI fascist HL Hunt in Dallas and his big banking pal Clint Merchison. Bilderberg and PERMINDEX already had pals on the East Coast with Rockefeller. Nagy knew about the Texas 8F fascist games that effectively took over the US in many ways via ushering Secretary of Navy and Secretary of State, and had LBJ waiting in the wings. JFK was blocking all the things they wanted, and when they killed JFK LBJ gave them everything they wanted.

PERMINDEX makes perfect sense in terms of why the Jewish set ups had to happen to pressure this Jewish good ole boy network into not attacking the NAZIs in the US and their Pro-NAZI pals in Texas. Allan Dulles had links with PERMINDEX due to his getting all the NAZIs out of Europe to exploit their military and higher technical knowledge in the US. Dulles NAZIs put him in a bad way in 1947 with a wayward nuclear test went wrong, but they still protected them and they went on to make the NASA space program put Man on the Moon.

In the aftermath of the Bay of Pigs, JFK fired from the CIA: Allen Dulles, Dick Bissel and General Charles Cabell. JFK was after Dulles and Dulles had enough connections in PERMINDEX to strike back at JFK. JFK had Dallas General Walker wanting him killed, and General Cabell of the CIA was no exeption. Cabel's brother Earle Cabell was Mayor of Dallas and was more than willing to help kill their Communist JFK.

When JFK went after the big Texas UFO secrets on April 12, 1963, that doubled the intensity for their want of killing JFK at any cost. The CIA didn't want to give up the issues of the USAEC being connected with a bunch of NAZI doing Human Experiments at White Sands. Giving up that information would have cooked the nuclear weapons programs, shown up how Dulles became the first civilian CIA leader, and JFK would shatter the CIA in the process.

In 1921 while at the US Embassy in Istanbul, Dulles exposed the infamous Protocols of Zion as a forgery, providing the story to The Times of London. Dulles became a director of the Council on Foreign Relations in 1927, the first new director since the Council's foundation in 1921. He was the Council's secretary from 1933 to 1944. So, Dulles has been playing the Globalism issues for a long time and would be allied with Bilderberg's in 1963. Dulles is also playing big games for Zionism over the Protocols of Zion, which originated in France and was used against the Jewish in Russia causing Pogroms against the Jewish.

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posted on Jan, 12 2012 @ 09:17 AM
So, now with Allan Dulles tied into the theme of helping Zionists and Internationalists not be exposed for knowing the power of usury and private banking to take over the world via Corporatism, it is good time to take a closer look at Basel, Switzerland's connections:


Of the Protocols themselves little need be said in the way of introduction. The book in which they are embodied was first published in the year 1897 by Philip Stepanov for private circulation among his intimate friends. The first time Nilus published them was in 1901 in a book called The Great Within the Small and reprinted in 1905.

The Jewish journals, of course, say that they are a forgery, leaving it to be understood that Professor Nilus, who embodied them in a work of his own, had concocted them for his own purposes.

Mr. Henry Ford, in an interview published in the New York WORLD, February 17th, 1921, put the case for Nilus tersely and convincingly thus:

"The only statement I care to make about the PROTOCOLS is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. THEY FIT IT NOW."


In 1865 a certain Jewish Rabbi named Rzeichorn delivered a speech at Prague. It is a very accurate summary of many aspects of the Protocols which would come to light several decades later and was published eleven years later by Sir John Radcliff, who was assassinated shortly afterwards, giving testimony to the powers of the secret organisation of inner elite Jewry even then.

The presumption is strong that the Protocols were issued, or reissued, at the First Zionist Congress held at Basle in 1897 under the presidency of the Father of Modern Zionism, the late Theodore Herzl.


Here is what Dr. Ehrenpreis, Chief Rabbi of Sweden, said in 1924, concerning the Protocols: "Long have I been well acquainted with the contents of the Protocols, indeed for many years before they were ever published in the Christian press. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were in point of fact not the original Protocols at all, but a compressed extract of the same. Of the 70 Elders of Zion, in the matter of origin and of the existence of the original Protocols, there are only ten men in the entire world who know.

I participated with Dr. Herzl in the first Zionist Congress which was held in Basle in 1897. Herzl was the most prominent figure at the Jewish World Congress. Herzl foresaw, twenty years before we experienced them, the revolution which brought the Great War, and he prepared us for that which was to happen. He foresaw the splitting up of Turkey, that England would obtain control of Palestine. We may expect important developments in the world."

And here is another very significant circumstance.The present successor of Herzl, as leader of the Zionist movement, Dr. Weizmann, quoted one of these sayings at the send-off banquet given to Chief Rabbi Hertz on October 6, 1920. The Chief Rabbi was on the point of leaving for HIS Empire tour of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales. And this is the "saying" of the Sages which Dr. Weizmann quoted: "A beneficent protection which God has instituted in the life of the Jew is that He has dispersed him all over the world." (JEWISH GUARDIAN, Oct. 8, 1920.)

Now compare this with the last clause of but one of Protocol XI.

"God has granted to us, His Chosen People, the gift of dispersion, and from this, which appears to all eyes to be our weakness, has come forth all our strength, which has now brought us to the threshold of sovereignty over all the world."


In the year 1844, on the eve of the Jewish Revolution of 1848, Benjamin Disraeli, whose real name was Israel, and who was a "damped," or baptized Jew, published his novel, CONINGSBY, in which occurs this ominous passage:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

And he went on to show that these personages were all Jews.


We now find that Allan Dulles is highly connected with putting down the associations of a group of rich and powerful people running things from behind the scenes in Europe, and Allan Dulles helps to keep this from being made more public. His success on hiding this becomes important in the formation for the Operation Mockingbird issues with Frank Wisner and the games of Sydney Gottlieb and MK Ultra using '___' and other methods. Allan Dulless connections with National Fruit and many others has him being a powerful intelligence operative not so loyal to the US. Allan Diulless is connected with the Iran overthrow to keep control of Iran for Britain and big oil, the Gulatemal overthrow for National Fruit. And he is directly involved in the big banking games that hide the big plans of using usury in the same methods of Babylon's power from the days of Nimrod.

In 1921 while at the US Embassy in Istanbul, Dulles exposed the infamous Protocols of Zion as a forgery, providing the story to The Times of London. The article was reprinted in the New York Times.[2] In 1926 he earned a law degree from George Washington University Law School and took a job at the New York firm where his brother, John Foster Dulles, was a partner. He became a director of the Council on Foreign Relations in 1927, the first new director since the Council's foundation in 1921. He was the Council's secretary from 1933 to 1944.


Investigative authors John Loftus and Mark Aarons described Dulles "as one of the worst traitors in American history, an economic version of Benedict Arnold."[8] They suggest that together with his brother, John Foster Dulles, and St. John Philby, Dulles established an international financial network among Nazi corporations (such as IG Farben), American oil interests (such as Standard Oil), and Saudi Arabia for the benefit of the Third Reich.[9] Near the end of World War II, Dulles successfully directed the smuggling of Nazi money back to his Western clients, evading Allied surveillance


The Agency's covert operations were an important part of the Eisenhower administration's new Cold War national security policy known as the "New Look". Under Dulles's direction, the CIA created MK-Ultra, a top secret mind control research project which was managed by Sidney Gottlieb. Dulles also personally oversaw Operation Mockingbird, a program which influenced foreign and domestic media companies.


In 1953 Dulles was involved, along with Frank Wisner,[16][page needed] in Operation Ajax, the covert operation that led to the removal of Mohammad Mossadeq, prime minister of Iran, and his replacement with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran. Rumors of a Soviet takeover of the country had surfaced due to the nationalization of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. British diplomat Christopher Woodhouse had pitched the idea of a coup d'état to President Eisenhower to try to regain British control of the oil company. Woodhouse would later say, "Not wishing to be accused of using Americans to pull British chestnuts out of the fire, I decided to emphasize the communist threat" to Iran.[citation needed]

President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman of Guatemala was removed in 1954 in a CIA-led coup carried out under the code name Operation PBSUCCESS. Dulles was on the board of trustees of the United Fruit Company, who stood to lose farmland to expropriation under proposed land reforms.


At the direction of President Eisenhower, Dulles established Operation 40, comprising 40 officials and agents whose primary area of operations was the Caribbean region, including Cuba. On March 4, 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition destined for the armed forces of the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The explosion killed 75 people and over 200 were injured. Fabian Escalante, an officer of the Department of State Security (G-2), later claimed that this was the first successful act carried out by Operation 40.[citation needed]

Operation 40 not only was involved in sabotage operations but evolved into a team of assassins. One member, Frank Sturgis, claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents ... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time."[citation needed]

Over the next few years Operation 40 worked closely with several anti-Castro Cuban organizations, including Alpha 66. CIA officials and freelance agents such as William Harvey, Thomas G. Clines, Porter Goss, Gerry Patrick Hemming, E. Howard Hunt, David Sánchez Morales, Carl Elmer Jenkins, Bernard Barker, Barry Seal, Frank Sturgis, William Robert Plumlee ("Tosh" Plumlee), and William C. Bishop also joined the project.[citation needed]

During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism. The pro-American but unpopular regimes in Iran and Guatemala that Dulles had helped put in place were widely regarded as brutal and corrupt.


On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon Baines Johnson appointed Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy.


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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:58 PM
The JFK mystery on who killed him should not be as insurmountable these days, as the biggest issues off the top become much more obvious to the US and to the World. The problem was the Globalist Agendas that rose out of the Babylon Talmud and their Usury formula. This translated into a push for a NWO and Global Control in the latter 1800's as the Jewish put together a huge plan for a NWO derived right from the methods of the Babylon Talmud and Nimrod. The stepping stones were the Federal Reserve, WWI, WWII, and soon to become WWIII.

When Wilson went against the Constitution of the US and let the International Bankers, via the Federal Reserve, take control of the US Money system, he ruined the United States. When the US Govt. itself controlled the money and the banking systems so that all the interests flowed back into the US Treasury, this was good for the US Citizens. This was the wise warnings of Thomas Jefferson and others, who wanted a system that could not be taken over from within and a well thought out part of the US Constitution. Even separation of state and religion was put in place so the 2nd Temples Pharisee games could not resurface. Jefferson and the other Constitution makers set forth a plan that was more respecting of the Essene Values and Govt persons not seeking riches and were design as servants for the betterment of the people. These Constitutional Writers knew exactly where the problems were and put in good measures to prevent them.

In the times of old the 2nd Temple was dominated by the Pharisee, the rich ruling class, and they were using the Temple for Government, Taxation, Nimrod Religion, and Money Changing. The Essene of that period had deemed the Babylon Talmud were non-religious games for control and exploitation handed down from the Harlot of Babylon and Nimrod. The Essene sought no individual riches and only to serve others and they put up wealth as a community held collective to benefit everyone. They didn't appear to have a King and everyone was considered equal. It was more of a socialist design, so it was a given that the Pharisee's Rich Class would clash with the Essene Socialism and their Master Teacher, Jesus. Jesus was sought to be killed due to these strong differences with the Pharisee and the disapproval of the Babylon Talmud. The same system is the heart of the JFK murder.

Hitler basically discovered most of these ole problems as he lived in England for a time, and lived near Basil, Switzerland and understood their big banking games being connected to Babylon Talmud usury. Hitler definitely heard about the Protocols of Zion that rose from these Babylon Talmud ideas. Hitler definitely heard Henry Ford and his thoughts on these NWO factors slowly taking control of the US. Hitler was breaking up the same system that had too much control of Germany. Hitler had done what JFK was beginning to do, and the same hate against Hitler formed against JFK.

The same basic repeating history issues was what killed JFK. JFK was going to make the ZIonists register as Foreign Agents and put a stop to their messing with elections and US Politics. JFK was putting in the money controlled by the US, called the "US Note" to run against the Federal Reserve Notes of the generally Jewish oriented Globalist Bankers that ran on the Babylon Talmud's methods of power and control that the rich Pharisee used in Jesus' time. The idea of Israel was born from these religion issues, and was supported by these Pharisee like bankers that needed to keep that religion foremost for their banking issues to succeed. These allied interests of big banking and Nimrod's games could not let it be known the real story of the Essene and Jesus and that another way existed that was more socialistic based, because they would force them into just part of the Community in Common, as there would be no individual persons holding vast wealth and power.

The oligarchs looked at what happened to the Czar from the ideals of Socialism and saw themselves put to death. It was this dichotomy that set the stage for Jesus, Hitler, JFK, and many others in the battle for those to hold power and wealth and those that selected to be equal in wealth and power. This was the reason for the Bilderbergs to ramp up the fight and fears of Communism, and the need for PERMINDEX. Both were resurrected out of Hitler's Germany from IG Farben and NW7. These killing units in the US had been Boris Pash's BP7 unit and the magic of 7 continued into the Warren Commissions selection of 7 to cover up the JFK murder.

JFK had foiled these globalist seeking Royalists that masked and covered up what Jesus and the Essene were really all about. JFK was onto them and found those that had exploited the high Govt offices. These Royalist religion type connect to the Vatican to the Throne of England made Jesus look more like Nimrod than an Essene Master that considered Nimrod the roots of evil in religion. JFK was against Colonialism, like FDR, and didn't mind when Algeria came under Arab rule, and JFK didn't buy deep into the Vietnam being kept from Communism via Catholic meddling in the region. JFK was going to get out of Vietnam, which betrayed these Bilderberg types and their support for Zionism and their methods to wealth and power.

JFK went after the CIA games of Dulles to support these big banker games in Europe and the issues of Dulles with War Criminals in the US. Dulles supported the Bilderbergs and PERMINDEX. We also find that PERMINDEX had invaded the US big time, with Clay Shaw, Ferenc Nagy, John DeMenil, and lots of others. LHO appeared to be working for PERMINDEX in Russia more than any official CIA association.

The Bilderbergs had already allied with Rochefeller and he stated the John Birch Society via Robert Welch and this was used to fan the flames against Communism and attempt to control and dominate US Foreign Policy. The JBS types joined forces with the Texas PERMINDEX associations with HL Hunt and General Walker. HL Hunt was Pro-NAZI and wanted to protect the NAZI Dulles imported into the US. He had allies with the NASA NAZIs, Dulles, The White Russians, Boris Pash elements like PERMINDEX, and Gehlen Organization. JFK even set off the protection of Zionism issues and the Nimrod religion protection with the issues of the Germans acting to teach the Egyptians how to make Missiles.

So, does the logic and reasoning suggest that the CIA would directly kill JFK or that their European Buddies might be the better choice. The plan was frame up LHO and also frame up the Jewish elements of PERMINDEX and the big bankers as a back up, which guarteed the success. It was a huge plan that framed the European Globalists schemes right down to the Nimrod banking, Zionist games, and PERMINDEX. It was a plan the Pro-NAZI folks would fully appreciate. As things came to rest, the Govt. via LBJ and Hoover decided to hide the truth and push that only LHO killed JFK. It was close, as Ruby was talking about the John Birch gang that set him up, pogroms, and getting into that would find Rockefeller and Bilderberg games against Communism. LBJ even puts on Dulles as one of the seven of the Warren Commission, because he protected the NAZIs and the Big Zionist Banking games. Dulles was associated with attempting to silence the Protocols of Zion theme for the big banking plans.

Everybody won but JFK and the People of the US. LBJ stopped the US Notes. LBJ escalated Vietnam using Operations Northwoods like games, LBJ dropped making Zionists as Foreign Agents, Foreign Aid to Israel became huge, a violation of church and state due to money for a religion state, and supported a Corrupt Religion state bent on Global Domination theme, LBJ covered up for the NAZI schemes to get the Jewish Bankers and Zionists via JFK assassination rigging, LHO working for, yet against, Hunt and PERMINDEX was buried with the truth like JFK, and the Globalist went into high gear to exploit the US into huge debts for their wars against religions that don't support their Babylon Talmud Usury and Royalist games to amass great wealth so they can dominate the world. Except they seem to be up against a wall with Russia and China supporting Iran and Syria and WWIII looms very close over these same games of religion based NWO games. Now these 7 years of tribulations are close at hand and the history of the master planners that killed JFK is well exposed to the masses.

So now we know who LBJ, Hoover, the Warren Commission and the others that killed and covered up the JFK murder were working for, as they were working for the Biblical definition of Satan himself via the Babylon Talmud's games of Evil. We are all too much repeating the issues of Jesus and the Babylon Talmud games. You also learn what happens when good men to nothing against Evil, Evil Prevails and takes over all in the interest of Money and the root of Evil.

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 05:35 PM
These days more and more writers and readers are beginning to become tuned into the larger picture behind the JFK assassination, and it is all about treason and espionage against America. Henry Makow, who is Jewish and lives up in Canada, has a guest article on his web page that speaks to the bigger issues. Lets take a look at what it has to say:


"A cardinal technique of the fifth column is the infiltration of sympathizers into the entire fabric of the nation under attack and, particularly, into positions of policy decision and national defense." -- Encyclopedia Britannica


Israeli foreign policy has a history of covert operations directly counter to the national interests and domestic welfare of the United States dating back to 1961.

This is conflict of interest. Conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization in a position of public trust is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other. Questioning dual citizenship of elected officials is in no way antisemitism. The issue is conflict of interest pure and simple.


In secret back channel communications in 1961, Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion asked President Kennedy to support Israeli offensive weapons development and supply American Hawk missiles for starters. Kennedy not only refused, he said he planned to honor the 1950 Tripartite Declaration which said that the United States would retaliate against any nation in the Middle East that attacked any other country. Finally, Kennedy informed Ben Gurion the US wouldn't support Israel's development of nuclear weapons.

Ben Gurion was furious. Unknown to the American public at the time, the two leaders engaged in a hot exchange of communiques. Threats were made. The conflict wasn't made public till 1998 in an article by Ethan Bronner in the New York Times. Much of the content of Ben Gurion's letters to Kennedy remain classified by the US Government. Subsequently Ben Gurion initiated secret collaboration with Maoist China for mutual nuclear weapons development.

(The history of Mossad and the Chinese secret service collaboration on many occasions in outright theft of American military secrets is documented in Gordon Thomas' Seeds of Fire).

While this was going on, in Jan 1962, LOOK magazine published an interview in which Ben Gurion predicted the future. By 1987, he said,

"In Jerusalem, the United Nations will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah." [1]

When the CIA informed Kennedy in 1963 that the MOSSAD and the Chinese were partners in espionage for US weapons secrets he threatened to cut off US relations with Israel unless the nuclear development base at Dimona were opened to US inspectors. Rather than submit to this ultimatum, Ben Gurion resigned as prime minister in July 1963. [2]

Kennedy was assassinated November 22rd 1963. In The Final Judgment, Michael Collins Piper traces an Israeli (Mossad) connection to the Kennedy assassination.

Under Kennedy's successor Lyndon Johnson, believed to be a crypto Jew, US aid to Israel increased three fold, equipping Israel with state of the art tanks and fighter jets that won the Six Day War in 1967.

Abraham Feinberg, the 'Democrat fundraiser' who had been Ben Gurion's bagman to Harry Truman, heavily financed Johnson's political career. The total is unknown since most contributions were cash. But it can be approximated by Israeli 'sweetheart' deals slipped to Feldman, such as a multimillion dollar share of the Israeli Coca Cola franchise.


No worry. Americans have been fighting Zionist wars for so long, they don't know how to fight their own.

Finally, Zionism is just an instrument of the Illuminati, (i.e. the Cabalist central bankers.) The ultimate Illuminati plan may be for "Zionists" (US, EU, Israel) to battle "anti-Zionists" (Iran, Russia and China) in a Third World War.

It's possible that we are being led down the garden path
and we are accomplices in our own destruction.

Read further on the garden path link here:


The Murder of JFK was part of an extremely long term goal that took roots with the Babylon Talmud, and was confronted by the Essene and Jesus, whose Revelations themes speak to the magnitude for this long running conflict. Even the Masons get into the theme with Albert Pike, who wrote the Morals and Dogma for the Scottish Rites, and also all the skits for each step in the Degree Process getting Masons to swear oath to the 2 nd Temples Babylon Talmud interests.

Pike's game was three world wars to promote the killing off between the Islam and the Christians.

In the killing of JFK it appears that even the Vatican became involved over the issues of Catholic Vietnam and the Diem Regime, as Vietnam was a Catholic Project against Communism. The Vatican's money machine is connected with the European Royalist Bankers by the Masonic P2 group because they swear this support of the 2 nd Temple's ways for Babylon Usury. This generally anti-Christ grouping is typically called The Illuminati.

Many have suggested the Pope sat quiet on the theme of the killing of a US President over this longer term goal of using the US Mil/Ind network to expand the footprints of Illuminati banking around the globe.

That has encountered problems that run along the lines of Armageddon getting closer due to the alignment of Iran with Russia and China. Putin in Russia appears to have become an Orthodox Christian and may have beliefs along the lines of the Essene and Christ. Israel is linked to killing Iran's nuclear scientists in attempts to inflame these problems and set off a war. Israel is allied with US and Britain, and they are the anti-Christ ethos. So, stand back and watch because the least little issue there is primed to start WWIII and a huge nuclear shoot out. If it goes down with Russia and China backing Syria and Iran, the flames of Armageddon will for sure burn the state of Israel off the map of the world.

You could literally wake up and find half the world obliterated in the next months, all in a matter of just hours. JFK was seeking to difuse this problem, but was eliminated, as was Christ and the Essene. But these old problems, since we don't learn history, recur and rebuild and they are near or at another breaking point again.

Such is the problems for those that sought to conceal these issues of the Essene and Jesus and like it or not the JFK assassination was driven by this old religion theme as sure as JFK was a Catholic and a follower of Essene Jesus teachings.

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 07:53 PM
On the JFK theme, one finds that along the lines of author Donald Gibson telling that Lord Bertrand Russell of the UK formed the JFK Conspriracy Book Writers club plans to blame the CIA or American Govt for the assiassination of JFK to keep the Public's Eye off Bilderbergs, PERMINDEX, and the big religion plans of Babylon NWO Illuminists.

These days, what was suggested by Russell in 1963 to work on print media has now become common place in the Internet Blog of Forum areas for promotion of chaos on the JFK theme and the bulk of the theme is again blame the CIA or the US Government. The JFK cover up is still running nearly 50 years later as hot as the day it happened in 1963.

On ATS recently the theme of misinformation agents working this forum and others is discussed, and various URL's presented. While one does not find much gaming on the JFK theme on ATS, this gaming and information chaos making by disinformation agents happens on many of the other JFK linked Forums.

Here is what the ATS thread on paid disinformation agents has to say:

One of the things I have noticed is that when I link to one certain Forum that the listing gets deleted and a banner put up about "Lies" and the issues of that site defaming the ATS reputation. I was aware this site is nothing but a bunch of disinformation types and was actually pleased to see that ATS folks appear to have ferreted them out. So, I have no complaints about not using this sites link, as there is a lot of bad and a lot of name calling connected to this group. imho

A good many of the JFK discussion forums dance around various themes on JFK generally blaming the CIA or LBJ as being the top of the "pact with the devil" to kill JFK, as they seek to loose the issues of PERMINDEX, IG Farben Corporatism, and those seeking the banker's long term Babylon Visions of world domination.

The worst of the JFK Forum's lot, imho, is called Education Forum on the JFK theme and the worst of the worst of the book disinformation writers merry-go-round for JFK book writers frequent there. They can be a viscious lot with lots of name calling, if one enters the theme of Judyth Baker and LHO in New Orleans working on a Kill Castro with Cancer Project. They are also highly against even the suggestion that PERMINDEX elements were involved in the JFK hit. What Judyth Bakers story does is totally ruin the idea that LHO was a Lone Nut, and it suggests that LHO was working for Alton Oschners plan to off Castro with Cancer and was using the HL Hunt funding to make this lung Cancer Virus. Of course, we know that HL Hunt was connected with the John Birch Society, but he was also connected with the PERMINDEX gang and ran the American Council of Churches to promote the capitalists version of Jesus and ditch the story of the Essene and the socilists inclinations of the Essene. They also didn't want to emphasize that the Pharisee were the rich types that wanted the same type of control as Nimrod and Harlot Babylon employed with usury and money power, where the associations that killed Jesus.

If one looks the fella that runs Education Forum is a Canadian Conrad Black type, who is known for the misinformation process in the news media. Then, using the flag of a Education Forum for Educators the British Education Forum's John Simkin runs the JFK disinformation circus, imho, that tries to hide the real JFK story and its extensive connections with British and European Royalist's wealth and Babylon's games for money and power. This appears to be because the head of one of these European Banking extremists is a large part of the City of London's banking finacial one square mile area district of London that is above all the laws of the land. The City of London is the banking's untouchables and above all laws except their own. The City of London's one square mile territory is not to be confused with London proper as one contains the other, like the Vatican area of Rome.

This appears to be why Education Forum leads the pack in continual disinformation tactics. The second worst JFK forum is associated with John McAdams and he led the pack of those hating the Judyth Baker story that made LHO look like a national hero. McAdams and his ilk want to paint the LHO Lone Nut theme and any departure from that theme gets ridicule. The 3 rd worse JFK forum is the one called JFK Murder Solved and its purpose is to promote the James Files story for a person in the Netherlands, which gets attention off of the Bilderberg theme and the Netherlands Prince Berhard that started the Bilderbergs and their associated PERMINDEX, and patterned the games after his NAZI days in IG Farben and NW7. James Files is a pure smoke screen to confuse the public to keep the eyes off the Netherland's connections. Files is a resident of Statesville Prison and was promoted by a helpfull FBI agent to others.

In looking around the various JFK Forum discussions, ATS comes out on the top of the list as being well run and not having the typical ill tempered name calling detractors one encounters on the highly controlled JFK Forums that want to shade the real elements involved in the JFK assassination at Foreign, Royalists, and Religion levels. ATS has set the bar highest for a good standard of being able to present the issues and have polite decorum, which these other should use as a standard to rise to, but don't because their intentions are less than openess and honesty. imho
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:35 AM
Now, it is time to get into the deep center of the JFK assassination, and see the real reason that Allen Dulles was considered a traitor against the US. Allen Dulles became the Director of the CIA during the Eisenhower years and JFK fired him over the Bay of Pigs and because of his leading the CIA in bad directions, JFK was going to splinter the CIA and expose all the treason activities of Allen Dulles. John Dulles, Allen's Brother was the US Sec. of State under Eisenhower. This Dulles pushed anti-Communism and NATO for the globalism games. Both the Dulles brothers are right in the middle of the JFK hate and similar hate for Cathoic Sec. of Defense James Forrestal.

Most know Allen Dulles was at the center of United Fruit and United Fruit was in a history of battles that took the US Army coming to the rescue for various problems in Central and South America, as well as the islands, to take back sugar and Banana plantations that belonged to United Fruit. One can well see why United Fruit was a CIA involved operation in the days of Dulles and Cuba. Both Dulles brothers were beating the anti-Communism drums and fit well with Bilderberg goals of Globalism and NWO banking.

Here is the United Fruit History and one can see that "War is a Rackett" theme that Smedley Butler saw from the games for United Fruit. One can see the history of poor worker protections and how workers were poisoned due to pesticides and other chemicals used on bananas:

In the war Allen Dulles was in Bern, Switzerland making special deals with the NAZIs to capture their industrial secrets, money, and technologies. Dulles went against Truman's direct orders on importing NAZIs scientists into the US to work on everything from mind control techniques to missles. Dulles began to commit treason against the US with concessions with Foreign Enemies. Dulles was also connected up with Foreign Banking Interests that became the Bilderberg games to resurrect IG Farben's globalism ideas for the Capitalist Fascist Bankers designs on Globalism and NWO. Dulles would ally with Bilderbergs and PERMINDEX and became a high level traitor against America.

The US Govt and Mil sent in Charles Eliot Perkins to manage IG Farben and learn their information to apply back to US and other interests via a holding company. IG Farben's scientists told Perkins of the NAZI's huge mind control methods using fluoridation and sodium fluoride and that they were going to apply this to their captured territories as the war progressed. Perkins knew the inner secrets of fluroridation and he became a huge anti-Fluoridation person:

A little more on the NAZI games of mind control over the masses can be read in this "NAZI Hydra" Book: hl=en&sa=X&ei=t6cST7uNM8ju0gHarYSJAw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwATgK

How all this comes to affect JFK is interesting, because JFK and James Forrestal as US Sec. of Defense toured NAZI Germany after the war to evaluate the situation and the extreme war damage to Germany. Forrestal, due to his being Secretary of Navy and Secretary of Defense, knew about these problems with the NAZIs to use fluoride to alter the mental presence of persons due to Eliot Perkins raising the warning flags. Forrestal agreed with Charles Eliot Perkins and made statements like this one as he saw the Dulles dirty NAZI deals with fluorides beginning to work for globalist games of the big bankers of Europe:


James Vincent Forrestal, first secretary of defense of U. S.


Not too long after this and Truman fires Forrestal, JFK notices his Catholic buddy he toured Germany with is dead, but it looks like he was murdered. Forrestal is not only against fluoridation, but he is also against the idea of Zionism and the protection of the Fascist Bankers Fascist Religion promoting usury and the power games of Harlot Babylon and the Jewish Bankers in Britain. What more John Dulles sat on the Verasllies Treaty issues that enraged Hitler and German:


According to FBI documents concerning the Olson case, detective Mullee spoke with Special Agent Edward A. McShane Jr. about his concerns. McShane, a 38-year veteran with the bureau who died last year, told Mullee that Olson’s death was not only similar to Duggan’s but also “brought to mind” the “recent deaths of three other government officials” as well as the “odd suicide of James Forrestal.”

Former Secretary of Defense James Vincent Forrestal died on May 22, 1949, after falling from the 13th floor of the U.S. Naval Hospital at Bethesda, Md. Forrestal’s broken, bloodied body was found clad in pajamas and a bathrobe. The cord of the robe was wound tightly around his neck. He had been hospitalized due to “operational fatigue” attributed to “excessive work.”

Forrestal’s death was ruled a suicide, but the matter for many people, including members of Forrestal’s family, remained far from resolved. Forrestal’s brother, Henry, told reporters at the time of the death that he “believed that someone threw my brother out the window” and that he considered it quite strange that his brother died “just a few hours before I was to take him home.” Additionally, James Forrestal’s spiritual adviser, Monsignor Maurice Sheehy, told reporters that an unidentified Navy warrant officer at the hospital told him that Forrestal “didn’t kill himself.”

Over the past several decades, speculation has focused on the possibility that Forrestal might have been an unwitting victim of the greatly overlooked top-secret Project CHATTER, operated by the Office of Naval Intelligence. CHATTER was a precursor program to the CIA’s Projects Bluebird, ARTICHOKE and MK/ULTRA. CHATTER was modeled on bizarre Nazi experiments conducted at concentration camps and OSS truth drug programs. The object of the project was to devise the means to “eliminate free will in targeted individuals,” causing them to do anything desired, including assassination and suicide.

At least two of the three deaths of “government officials” noted by McShane to detective Mullee, but not specifically identified in documents, may have been those of James Speyer Kronthal and John C. Montgomery. Both men died under unusual circumstances only months before Frank Olson.


So, now we can begin to see that JFK, being extremely detail oriented, would have known that his Catholic pal, Sec. of Defense James Forrestal, was very anti-fluoride and anti-Zionist. JFK would have known about Charles Eliott Perkins being highly against fluoridation and the games of NAZI take over of territory methods and prison camp uses. JFK would have seen Allen Dulles conniving using sugar problems as a reason to start a huge campaign to put the NAZI Sodium Fluoride technique into all the US water systems they could manage, and how German allied ALCOA made Sodium Fluoride for this purpose in the US, as the same aluminum production systems made it for NAZIs in Germany.

JFK was onto Dulles and intent on busting up all the Dulles operations clear up to the NAZI UFO games from White Sands nuclear testing using human experiment persons in dangerous nuclear survival testing. That cover up kicked off the cover up at Roswell for Human Experiment testing and cranked up the MK-Ultra games in the US with lots of NAZI methods used there. Fluoride was the NAZI's best massive mind control method.

JFK listened to the problems on atmospheric nuclear testing and the rise of Sr-90 in the food chain and stopped US Atmospheric Nuclear testing. That isn't where the story ends, as the studies on fluoride use also found that fluoride use increased the levels of isotopes like Sr-90 retained in the bone and harmed nuclear war survival games. JFK would well know his pal James Forrestal used the words "Mind Control" over the Fluoride issues, and would associate this fluoride push with the US Traitor Dulles and his NAZI pals.

JFK was intend on returning American's Freedoms, and fluoride and Dulles were well on his target list. JFK was devastating Dulle's Intelligence Empire games and Dulles was highly connected with Bilderberg and PERMINDEX interests, and these Foreign interersts were all over Dallas and Houston via HL Hunt, Nagy, DeMenil and their connections ran to Hoover and LBJ. One can then see why the Warren Commission had Allen Dulles as one of the corrupt 7 traitors against America to cover up what JFK had found to return Freedom to America. The Warren Commission was a panel of US traitors and everyone should speak that very often.

Thus, one can well see why I included the issues of fluoridation early into this write up on the JFK assassination.

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:49 PM
A little more history that goes to support the JFK, Forrestal, and Fluoride associations. One can see the sordid and sinister pattern to usher in fluoride under the guise of something good to cover the real concept of something to control the population to usher in Fascist Capitalism and keeping the public dumbed down:


1939 The ALCOA company, the world’s largest producer of sodium fluoride,transfers it technology under the Alted Agreement to Germany. Dow Chemical follows suit.


1944 “Even at 1ppm, fluoride in drinking water poisons cattle, horses and sheep” (Moules, G.R., Water Pollution Research and Summary of Current Literature, 1944.


1947 Forrestal appointed Secretary of Defense. Asked to resign in 1949 after noting forces planning the war in Korea. See 1949. Later murdered. Forrestal was very much opposed to the use of fluorides on military bases to keep the troops docile. (York Daily Times, Letters to the Editor from former FBI agent Wesley C. Trollope, Omaha, Neb., March 17, 1967).


1948 John McCone becomes Secretary of Defense of the United States. McCone gives contracts to Standard Oil and Kaiser Aluminum, in which he already has financial interests. Aluminum manufacture by-products, fluorides, would be added to the population water supplies to induce submission by damaging the brain and stem resistence to domination by global socialism.


1950 From 1950 to 1951, ALCOA advertises sodium fluoride for addition to water supplies.

1950 The Seventh Annual Report of the Sugar Research Foundation (130 corporations) expresses its “aim in dental research” : to discover means of controlling tooth decay by methods other than restricting sugar intake. Two institutions most aggressive in promotion of water fluoridation, the Dental Schools of Harvard and the University of Rochester, receive large grants for fluoride research from the sugar industry.


1954 Charles E. Perkins, the scientist sent by the U.S. to Germany after World War II to supervise the breakup of I.G. Farben, states, “the real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistence of the masses to domination and control, and loss of liberty.”


1954 C.E.Perkins, I.G.Farben chemist, admits fluoride is to reduce resistance in people to authority.

1954 In 1954, the Christian Science Monitor surveyed all 81 Nobel Prize winners in the fields of chemistry, medicine and physiology on their opinion regarding water fluoridation. Seventy-nine percent failed to endorse water fluoridation, which the promoters claim is endorsed by all “reputable” scientists.


There is lots more to read on the Chronology for Fluoridation. I captured the Forrestal comments on this one and those of Charles Eliot Perkins. Most can see the pattern and how over the decades of this history that Americans are generally well overdosed on fluorides daily. It is not unusual to see persons getting 10 mg a day from the multiple sources of fluoride in the food, beverage, and water chain.

posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:13 AM
Here is another piece to better build on the previous issues and develop who owned IG Farben in the US and cooperated in the issues of Sodium Fluoride. This is one of the better reads on the fluoride conspiracy issues and what they knew at IG Farben and who all owned IG Farben and the NAZIs more than willing to make deals to avoid death-----they found the NAZI Fascism matched will with the US Corportate Fascists that tried to kill FDR in the "Business Plot". Smedley Butler and General Douglas McArthur teamed up to support FDR. Smedley Butler outed the "Business Plot", but it came back greater with NAZI chemical techniques.

Hitler had based his ideals originally upon National Socialism, but with the investments of US Fascist bankers, the guiding corportation methods of the Rockefellers to form IG Farben, Hitler's state became Fascism. The original designs were to make Germany strong to take over Russian Communism, but with Rothchild banking tricks with England, Hitler became the enemy of both England and Russia. WWII was on due to mainly Jewish issues declairing war on Hitler's kicking them out of Germany's government. As Hitler was loosing the war, persons like Allen Dulles were making big deals to protect IG Farben's US interests and made deals to take these ardent NAZIs into the US in return for their trade secrets. Allen Dulles was the US Fascist Banker's ally and the broker for the Fascist NAZIs deals to get into the US. Dulles was also the protector of the Jewish Big Bankers schemes, and their shame to set up Israel, via downplaying the Protocols of Zion, which gave Hitler lots of his thrust.

FDR dies suddenly and Stalin suspects FDR was murdered, because FDR would not support nuclear bombing of Japan. Stalin trusted FDR, as the Fascists tried to kill him, but Stalin didn't trust the ugly Royalist Churchill allinaces with the Rothschilds. Truman takes over and does what they tell him. Truman has to dissolve the OSS because it won't back the NAZI games that Allen Dulles pulls nor the NAZI ideas on fluoridation. 1947 was a very bad year for the NAZI at Ft. Bliss in Texas, due to human experiments making public news. It also cranked up the CIA, which plugged in lots of NAZIs and their Mind Control Methods, which OSS folks like Kermit Roosevelt and Bill Donnovan would not have supported. All this mess also kicked off the MK Ultra series of NAZI visioned Mind Control experiments to join up with Truman's MJ-12 cover ups for NAZI human experiments in 1947. Allen Dulles was the big NAZI coordinator with the fascist big bankers, and they both went for Fascist Control over the US. Fluoride was essential for the plot against the masses.

JFK knew this Dulles history and was after Dulles and his NAZI intelligence empire that was working to make another huge Business Plot to take over FDR, and this fascist gang was after JFK for support of FDR's methods. Dulles was the head of the Facist gang in the US, but the Fascist allinaces involved the same group that tried to get Smedley Butler to take over FDR, the same basic group that invested in IG Farben, and the same group that came to be the Bilderbergs and PERMINDEX. Dulles allowed PERMINDEX to invade the US and there was a reason, they wanted another Fascist Business Plot that would target JFK. LHO was after this Fascist gang in an attempt to become a Hero for protecting JFK.

One of the better reads on what Charles Perkins found out with IG Farben is here:


FLUORIDATION:Mind Control of the Masses
By Ian E. Stephens
From an article in Nexus Magazine August/September 95


In a letter abstracted from Fluoridation and Lawlessness (published by the Committee for Mental Healthand National Security) to the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on 2ndOctober 1954, a Charles Eliot Perkins, scientist and author of Washington, DC, and, one must assume,the same Charles Eliot Perkins of the "Dickenson Statement" to the Victorian Parliament, said this (andthe words of the last two lines of the second paragraph cannot be overemphasised): "We are told by the fanatical ideologists who are advocating the fluoridation of the water supplies in this country that their purpose is to reduce the incidence of tooth decay in children, and it is the plausibility of thisexcuse, plus the gullibility of the public and the cupidity of public officials that is responsible for the present spread of artificial water fluoridation in this country.

"However - and I want to make this very definite and positive - the real reason behind water fluoridation not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason, there are many ways in which it could be done which are much easier, cheaper and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty ...

"When the Nazis, under Hitler, decided to go into Poland ... the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans and personnel and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communise the world ...

"I say this in all earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years research into the chemistry, Bo-chemistry, physiology and pathology and pathology of fluorine: any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically."

Mr Perkins does not involve America, American institutions or individuals in his assertions, but when Major George Racy Jordan was in charge of the massive 'lend-lease airlift' operations from Great Falls,Montana, to Russia via Alaska, he queried the transhipment of considerable amounts of sodium fluoridevia Fairbanks, Alaska, to Russia. He was told "frankly" that it was to put into the drinking water in the prisoner-of-war camps to take away their will to resist.

The published knowledge that sodium fluoride was known for this mind - and behaviour - changing potential was available at the start of this century, as witness such entries as "Fluoricum Acidum" (Encyclopaedia of Pure 'Materia Medica', vol. ix, p. 333).


Mrs Thatcher's astronomical expenditure of United Kingdom revenue on a fluoridation campaignin Northern Ireland a matronly concern for the youngsters' teeth, or perhaps an attempt to sedate thepeople and render them subservient to her autocratic dictates? Remember this. Mrs Thatcher has abackground of academic chemistry and would be far from ignorant of the tranquillising effects of thehalogens and their halides.


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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 08:32 AM
Various, often suppressed, concepts in history are on the table here to illustrate the long run up of basically issues from age old religion that came to kill many presidents, like JFK, and others. Age old religion has a split personality in the case of Judaism, as it was basically the Pharisee and the Essene, one the capitalist and the other the socialistic. One followed the age old theme of Nimrod, or Harlot Babylon and usury, and the other kept to being selfless benevolent servants to man.

In the recent modern times of Europe, lots of the Babylon Talmud games manifest itself as The Protocals of Zion that worked up in France and was connected to games for banking and world control. In later times, we find Allen Dulles trying to dismiss the Protocols in 1920. But Henry Ford, the Russians, and even Hitler see these Protocols appear to be happening.

If we looked at Allen Dulles he was a big player in United Fruit and they were into Sugar and Banana plantations all around the Gulf of Mexico countries. This was a tough business and between hurricanes, blights, worker union and rights issues, pesticide poisoning of workers, and political transitions this business became a mess. The United Fruit gang essentially had the US Army invade every little country they had worker rights or political games with by calling them Communists. This is how General Smedley Butler came into popular vogue with this United Fruit and Standard Oil types, and how Smedley Butler was approached to be the leader for the "Business Plot" to get rid of Democratic Statesman FDR.

FDR had banned this invasion of other countries with the US military with his "Good Neighbor" policy, which had the Allen Dulles types and Standard Oil gang up in arms to get rid of FDR. Instead Smedley Butler reported this Business Plot, sided with FDR, and the coup was diffused. Even General McArthur sided with FDR. Joe Kennedy cut his teeth in world banking with the FDR politics of the day, and his son JFK was cut from the same FDR thinking mold. This was the Democratic vs the Republican political dichotomy, which was very similar to the religious differences between the Essene and the Pharisee. One side is selfless servant intending and the other is grab all you can get capitalistic.

This URL captures lots of this problem with United Fruit and Allen Dulles wars, which would come to get him into Switzerland and later the leader for the corrupt CIA:

Also, read the United Fruit History, that as listed earlier, and the pattern of the Military and United Fruit is obvious.

In these times of FDR the big banker games of the US had joined to support the Hitler Industrial revolution in Germany, with the intentions to have Germany's Socialism trend toward industrial fascist control. And the company that the US Investors chose to help was IG Farben, which Rockefeller taught to pattern after Standard Oil. They also had the goal to have Hitler take on Russia's Communism that killed the Czar. This Communism sprouted out of these old Jewish religion issues of the Pharisee and the Essene, as the Pharisee were the rich and the Essene the socialistic versions of religion. All the orginal Russian Communists, but perhaps one, were Jewish and took heed of Germany's Jewish Karl Marx's Socialism.

Hitler enjoyed lots of US funding from those allied with Rockefeller and Dulles. Hitler didn't like the capitalist Pharisee like control of banking over Europe and their implementation of the Versalles Treaty. So, Hitler's big plan was to dump the Jewish banking elements out of German Government and teaching poistions. This forced the Jewish elements in Germany into Ghettos, and this soon had the New York Jewish declairing embargo on German goods and basically War on Germany. This tripped the switch for World War II.

Germany, at war, took all the Jewish and political dissidents and tossed them in work camps, they killed those that could not work, experimented on many, and worked others to death. Germany's IG Farben also invented lots of fluoride chemicals from nerve gases to the issues of using sodium fluoride to quell resistance to authority and make workers that would just play along with what they were told to do. Everyone also knows the Jewish Bankers of Europe didn't support Hitler and they ran over to England and got Churchill to back them. The Rothschilds were German Jewish named Bauer originally, and the English Royals were Germans, renamed as Windsors to hide their German origin. Even these German English Royals supported Hitler initially, and that became a big secret. In the war, Hitler's Rudolph Hess was sent in to cut a deal with England's Royals over their original support for Hitler, and tried to undo the Rothshchilds deals with the English Royals. Churchill and Rothschild ran over Hess and kept him locked in prison over what he knew that basically resulted in the killing of millions.

The German's lost the war and during those times of the fall many NAZIs had exit plans to run to other countries and were making deals for technology for safe harbor for themselves. Allen Dulles was sitting in Switzerland wanting back all the US investors money in IG Farben and anything else they could grab as the Hitler's machine fell and the NAZIs quickly cut deals with the US via Dulles. Frank Bender was also around and knew the Dulles dealing. Dulles dealing takes in thousands of ardent NAZIs into the US and cleans up all their records, Then formed the US Rocket program and the space program. They formed the basis for the US MK Ultra system for chemical and drug control experiments at Ft. Dietrick and run by Sidney Gottlieb and controlled by Allen Dulles of the CIA in Eisenhower's time. The biggest part of this NAZI chemical control was the concept for control of captured countries using the chemical sodium fluoride in their water supplies to control resistance. The US fascist elements that invested in IG Farben wanted this system applied to the US Army and to the US mainland, so they could implement their globalism and use the US for that purpose. There would be on plans for peace, only building a bigger global footprint for Capitalist's Globalism.

In the US, fluoridation was being implemented by IG Farben's partner ALCOA pushed into control over the US Public Health System and made fluoridation appear good and a nutritional requirement. Yet, this was just a ploy to do something far more sinister. We see persons like Charles Perkins, who learned this directly from the IG Farben scientists in Germany come out against this take over of the Freedom of the US Citizens with chemical mental castration. The word also got around and to the Secretary of War James Forrestal, who opposed it being used on soldiers. James Forrestal was against Israel being made and against fluoridation, and this became his downfall as the corrupt Allen Dulles types had Truman esentially fire Forrestal. Forrestal knew too much and he had to be killed and have it look like a suicide.

Forrestal saw the real reasons the OSS had to be taken apart because it sided with FDR's thinking, and the CIA would be designed to support more the fascists ideals of Dulles.

Similar killings happened with Frank Olson, who learned about the Mind Control games of the CIA with Allen Dulles. They told Frank Olson about the fluoride deals against America that were implemented from old NAZI methods that Dulles and his gang wanted to use on all of America to rob them of their Freedom.

IG Farben's good ole boy Eisenhower put in all these Allen Dulles types for his political group and JFK inherited too many of these extreme right types that sought fascism in place of freedom for the US. They sought continual wars for Capitalism, which was largely Fascism. They installed the CFR to install a global unified banking system on the model of the Knights Templar, but this banking group was not dedicated to the Templers pledge of being social designed and poor. The CFR was a Pharisee designed world banking game.

JFK was all about the politics of FDR, and JFK didn't want Colonialism, like FDR. JFK didn't support the Dulles games of United Fruit, which was have the military invade any little Gulf region country and take back control of their capitalist interests. JFK tried to play by FDR's good neighbor rules also those of Geneva Conventions on not declairing war on countries by invasions. Allen Dulles and his Rockefeller buddies hated JFK. Also, all the like political group that Eisenhower installed in the JCS and the CIA leadership hated JFK. Then we have the Rockefeller John Birch Society types ramp up hate for JFK and start calling him Communist, just as the United Fruit types called against little Banana Republics to have the Marines invade. McArthur, who sided with FDR, explained what JFK had inherited from Eisenhower and JFK was correcting the problems. McArthur told Vietnam was not winnable and agreed with DeGaulle and JFK was pulling the plug on Vietnam, as DeGaulle did with Algeria.

JFK got the message on the Allen Dulles games with Cuba and that game of Dulles and United Fruit politics got Allen Dulles, Bissell, Cabel fired from the CIA. JFK then became a Communist for this bunch of crooks that tried to take over FDR with the Business Plot. JFK was playing the FDR politics and this had the JCS, these CIA Dulles big banking crooks declairing war on JFK. It didn't stop there as the European types rebuilt the mega-corporation methods of IG Farben as Bilderberg Alliances and their PERMINDEX intelligence unit, which also acted as a killing unit. PERMINDEX tried to kill DeGaulle and was run out of Europe only to reassemble in the US. These were the fascist supporters of Allen Dullen in Europe, and they all disliked JFK for the same reasons they disliked Catholic James Forrestal.

Everyone that studies the JFK assassination takes note that the CIA was involved, and they were, but they had Stong Alliances with Foreign Elements that wanted JFK dead more than they did. So as things developed, LBJ would play along with their hate for JFK and LBJ would become the highest US element in the cover up of the JFK assassination and Allen Dulles would be his right hand man on the Warren Commission. It was also simple enough for Dulles to offer PERMINDEX cover in the US for Operations and also to have them off JFK for great returns. The deals offered ramping up the War in Vietnam, ramping up weapons productions, making stands against Communism, turning a blind eye toward Israel getting atomic weapons, and the opening the flow of drugs out of Vietnam into Mafia and NAZI connected drug dealing with the French Connection.

JFK's killers would be Corsicans, because they can't be traced and disappear into the International woodwork and this frees the General Walker types with the JBS from being directly associated. It frees the associations of Dulles and the JCS direct involvement. PERMINDEX was allowed to invade and operate in the US for a reason. They were in Houston and started the Batista fall and in the installation of Castro via DeMenil. They were in New Orleans and allied with United Fruit and Dulles via Clay Shaw, and they were in Dallas with Ferenc Nagy and HL Hunt. PERMINDEX was even in Montreal and connected with the FBI and the DISC unit, along with drug dealing, Mafia and Zionism, via Louis Bloomfield. There was not need for the Domestic US JFK haters to take huge chances with shooting JFK when the Fascist PERMINDEX operations would make deals and cost them nothing.

JFK died horribly in Dallas from all these huge conspiracy issues, and the issues of Fascist control of the US took over the country. There were no more statesmen, like JFK, only self serving politicians for the fascist globalist's goals. LHO was also after these crooks, just as much as JFK, and LHO was trying to out these fascists trying to take over the US via a new Business Plot. LHO failed, as did JFK, and the New Globalist Business Plot succeeded with LBJ becoming what Smedley Butler was approached to do.

For those seeking the big picture of what came to kill JFK, this is that greater picture.

edit on 18-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Essential JFK History

posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 07:18 AM
A blog with links back to it would have been a much better choice for your lecture. IMO of course.

posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 10:10 AM
History is important and Smedey Butler's story of how US Corporations like United Fruit tried to make the countries of their investments into colonies is interesting to recall. It was this mentality that JFK faced on Cuba, and FDR faced when he made the "Good Neighbor" policy on not invading Banana Republics.

Then one can see the CIA United Fruit Allen Dulles mentality against JFK.


Reasons for these conflicts were varied but were largely economic in nature. The term "Banana Wars" arises from the connections between these interventions and the preservation of American commercial interests in the region. Most prominently, the United Fruit Company had significant financial stakes in production of bananas, tobacco, sugar cane, and various other products throughout the Caribbean, Central America and Northern South America. The U.S. was also advancing its political interests, maintaining a sphere of influence and controlling the Panama Canal which it had recently built, critically important to global trade and naval power.


Honduras, where the United Fruit Company and Standard Fruit Company dominated the country's key banana export sector and associated land holdings and railways, saw insertion of American troops in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924 and 1925.[4] Writer O. Henry coined the term "Banana republic" in 1904 to describe Honduras.


Butler wrote in his famous book War Is a Racket:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.


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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 10:49 AM
Lots and lots of information. It really was much simpler than all this.

Have you taken into account information provided by Madeleine Duncan Brown regarding The Murchison Meeting of November 21, 1963.

She spent 20+ years as Lyin' Lyndon's girlfriend and parked her car next to H.L. Hunt's on a daily basis. She knew all the characters involved, from J. Edgar down to Mac Wallace.

If you haven't seen this, you might want to make the time!!

The Murchison Meeting

Also, John J. McCloy is a member of The Committee of 300.

posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Oldnslo
Lots and lots of information. It really was much simpler than all this.

Have you taken into account information provided by Madeleine Duncan Brown regarding The Murchison Meeting of November 21, 1963.

She spent 20+ years as Lyin' Lyndon's girlfriend and parked her car next to H.L. Hunt's on a daily basis. She knew all the characters involved, from J. Edgar down to Mac Wallace.

If you haven't seen this, you might want to make the time!!

The Murchison Meeting

Also, John J. McCloy is a member of The Committee of 300.


Thank You for the comment. Yes, I have read and know about Madeline Brown's information on the JFK hit and what LBJ spoke to her. Her details are very important.

But, if you know about HL Hunt, and his connections with PERMINDEX, then one also must become inclusive of the Foreign Elements involved also. JFK was not just a US Dometic hit, but one that had the elements of globalism involved. Big Bankers, Zionism, NAZIs in the US, and games to take over America's Freedoms.

There is zero doubt the LBJ was the top person in the US Govt. who acted to cover up those connected with the JFK hit. LBJ was highly involved both before and after the fact in the murder of JFK.

Most consider HL Hunt to be one of the biggest players in the US and LBJ was just making deals to help him and his alliances. HL Hunt's connections with the Foreign Espeonage PERMINDEX and his Pro-NAZI issues speak to having set up the Jewish PERMINDEX elements to make absolutely sure they didn't turn against him and make it depend on the literal existance of Israel.

Thanks for your insights on Madeline Brown, and I do highly value her witness to the issues. I also go a little bit above her level of insights about what LBJ didn't tell her about the system he was helping to get rid of JFK.

Some recent news on the JFK theme, per Garrison, who also picked up on PERMINDEX:


Filmmaker denies JFK conspiracy theories
By Katie Mettler | IDS
Jan. 18, 2012

At 88 years old, John Barbour is a man made for the hills of Hollywood. His golden-brown skin, shiny jewelry and blue-and-brown pinstripe suit allude to his early pursuits in gambling, acting and stand-up comedy.

But the passion in his raspy and convincing voice reveals the second half of Barbour’s life, the half consumed by conspiracy theories that have baffled America for almost 50 years.

Wednesday, Union Board presented Barbour’s 1992 documentary “The JFK Assassination: The Garrison Tapes,” followed by a question-and-answer session with Barbour.

The film features Barbour’s exclusive interviews with late New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, who was ridiculed for his investigation into the CIA’s involvement in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

The questions surrounding who shot Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963, are infinite, and Kennedy-themed literature has lined bookshelves for decades. But Barbour dismissed these accounts; in his opinion, there is no such thing as conspiracy theories, only an abundance of facts.

And he said the facts that convinced him came from Garrison’s book: Lee Harvey Oswald was involved with members of the CIA, and the CIA killed Kennedy.
In 1970, Gallop polls indicated that more than 80 percent of the public believed Oswald didn’t act alone, if at all. But only 22 percent thought there should be another investigation, Barbour said.

“How do you say your mother’s not a virgin? It just sounds ugly,” Barbour said. “How do you say your leaders are murderers? It just sounds ugly. When it’s obvious, it sounds ugly.”

Garrison published “Heritage of Stone,” a book that spelled out what he found during his investigation into the CIA. In 1979, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that four shots had been fired at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, vindicating the potential for conspiracy theories.

In 1980, Barbour invited Garrison to come on his hit NBC show “Real People,” Garrison was on film for three hours, and Barbour said it was “… the most frightening, exhilarating, terrifying three hours I have ever spent in my entire life.”

When Barbour tried to make a documentary, critics ran amuck, and he lost “Real People” in the early 1980s.

Finally, in 1992, Barbour released the documentary. It won the 1993 San Sebastian Film Festival award the same day Garrison died.

Since then, Barbour has traveled the globe, answering questions about the documentary at film screenings. However, his documentary has never aired on public television in the United States.

But Barbour said he is less concerned by money and more motivated by educating people about what he thinks truly happened in 1963.

Barbour talked about the injustice of the 24-hours news coverage of recent wwmurder cases, involving Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson, Laci Peterson and Natalee Holloway.

“Those murders were tragic,” he said. “But they only affected one person. The murder of John Kennedy changed the economy, changed our foreign policy, changed our political structure. … I guarantee you, if we had cell phones or the Internet on Nov. 22, 1963, there would be at least a dozen prominent Americans hung or shot for the murder of John Kennedy.”

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:06 AM
Some interesting reflections on the JFK and RFK assassinations are coming from Ethel Kennedy and Rory Kennedy:


Ethel Kennedy spills family secretsEthel Kennedy spills family secrets
New York Post
Updated: Fri., Jan. 20, 2012, 12:49 PM

PARK CITY, Utah — Robert F. Kennedy feared the Mafia would try to blind his young children in an acid attack to deter his investigation into labor racketeering, his widow, Ethel, reveals for the first time.

Speaking out in a documentary by her daughter Rory premiering today at the Sundance Film Festival, feisty matriarch Ethel Kennedy recalls a scary threat when her husband was counsel to a Senate subcommittee probing organized crime’s control of labor unions.


After JFK was assassinated, Ethel says, “It was like Daddy lost both arms. It was just six months of blackness.’’

The documentary includes extensive home-movie footage of the family that’s never been shown publicly — including a striking image of a stricken Bobby Kennedy sitting in quiet contemplation on the side of a road.


Rory Kennedy says HBO, where she’s made films about AIDS and human rights issues for more than a decade, had long urged her to do a film about her family, but she resisted.

“It’s not in my comfort zone, and I assumed my mother wouldn’t want to do it,’’ Rory tells The Post. “But she sat down with me for five days and answered every question in the book.’’

One of her favorite stories is that when Robert was attorney general, Ethel would take the older kids to watch sharpshooters in the basement of the FBI building (the bureau fell under Robert Kennedy’s jurisdiction).

Kathleen says in the documentary, “One day she noticed a suggestion box. She took out her signature red pen, wrote, ‘Get a new director’ and put it in the box.’’

Rory Kennedy — who will be joined by her mother and about 25 other family members for the premiere in Park City, Utah — adds that longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, no fan of his nominal boss Robert Kennedy, quickly discovered what happened.

“By the time [Mom] got to my father’s office with all the kids, Daddy had already gotten the note from an irate Hoover,’’ she says.


One of the most intersting associations with this report is that Rory Kennedy is working on the AIDS issue. If one studies the roots of the JFK assassination was that Eisenhower, who kept his office in the IG Farben building in Germany, came back to the US and took in too many of IG Farben's people and bad habits.

It was Eisenhower that came to build the Oligarchic Military Industrial Complex network when he stacked the JCS with European Theater generals that knew all about the IG Farben NAZIs that the US took into the US via Allen Dulles. Their intentions were a large military build up against communism using the industrial corporate complex designed after IG Farben's success. This became JFK's enemy and he knew this because General MacArthur told him specifically where the problem was.

In the US, persons like Hoover had allied with Foreign Agents connected to the rise of IG Farben redesigned into Bilderberg corporations and PERMINDEX. The US side of the reborn NAZI alliance had Allen Dulles as the Director for the CIA and had the NAZI scientists on mind control at Ft. Dietrick Maryland, where they banned fluoride in their own water.

The interesting part of this is the NAZI's biggest game from control of the minds of the American Public was the use of fluoridation and the same methods the NAZIs of IG Farben used to control their slave labor work force in Germany and surrounding work camps. Fluoride's long term effects are associated with continual low level irritation effects that cause persistent oxidative stress on the human body. In the long term, this oxidative stress builds as fluoride concentrations build within the body to make for excessive need of enzymes like SOD or Super Oxide Dismutase.

This enzyme processes use of trace metels interferes with the HIV's reverse transcriptase use that blocks HIV transmission and HIV infection speading. Long term fluoridation and use of drugs like coc aine are directly connected with the rise of HIV infections in the US, as they both affect the availablity of manganese within the cells and this effect allows the HIV reverse transcription to occur that causes the spread of HIV.

As the oxidative stress issues increase, the HIV rate of spreading moves to the point of AIDS diagnosis via the deaths of T-cells within the body and the process pushing toward death of the infected person via many other opportunistic infections.

The irony now may be that either Rory Kenndy knows these old NAZI Mil/Ind Complex games with fluoride directly connect with JFK's death via those that sought to steal American's Freedoms with this sinister method of fluoridation, or she has landed accidentially right on top of the sinsiter elements dirty deeds. If she proceeds to the end point of AIDS causations, either way, the at the end of the dark tunnel of sinister forces against the US and JFK is this group of NAZIs allied with Allen Dulles and PERMINDEX that killed both JFK and RFK.

Another Irony exists in that old religion knew the story of fluorides in the environment from the times of Sodom and Gomorrah, and how the Essenes lived at Qunram in this area that was highly affect with fluoride contamination. Meanwhile, the Northern Essene group at Mt. Carmel lived in an area of high Boron mineralization the countered the effects of Fluoride on the Human Body. These Essene at Mt. Carmel became known as the Healers because their food and water was laden with Boron and this removed fluoride from the body and promoted health and wellness. In these times the ways of Nature to do these things was akin to the Power of God.

In the issues of JFK's death we do see those that would attempt to become the Gods and lord over the US's Freedom using chemical effects from fluoridation. It is indeed amazing the Rory Kennedy may be working on the story of AIDS that may well find its end connected with the JFK assassination and the 2nd holocaust of the world connected to this sinister NAZI method.

edit on 22-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Sinsister NAZI 2nd holocaust

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