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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
Question for you: If Democrats held all the seats in congress and senate, held the presidency and had all members on the Supreme Court would that really change things? I am not talking about cosmetic minor changes, I am talking about real change. Monetary policy, environmental policy, and foreign policy just to point out a few would all remain the same.
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Oh boy... Don't you know this has happened SEVERAL times, and every time it ended up the same way?

You actually think that democrats are so good for the people?

As some other members and I have been tyring to remind leftwingers like yourself, progressive democrats, under a democrat president in 1913 passed MAJOR legislation which included the Federal Reserve Act, or what people call The Feds, The IRS as it exists today with it's PROGRESSIVE taxes, and other legislation and even regulations that stopped the economic growth of the United States in general and gave power to a few people.

Until not too long ago DEMOCRATS were a majority, again, in the House, and the Sentate, not to mention that we have another PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT as President, and what exactly have they been doing?... You tell us...


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LOL did you even read my post or several others that I posted on this thread? I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Total reading apprehension FAIL.




posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by jacklondonmiller

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Communism= the state owns everything

Anarchism=the state owns nothing.

SIMPLE


There is no reason to be confused. Only the PTB want everyone to be confused and keep voting center-left or center-right.


State = LAWS to protect private property and enforce contracts

NO STATE = No LAWS to protect private property or enforce contracts

That is the duality
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Statism = abolishment of private property

This is the whole point. That State is not going to protect private property. Ever hear of Emminent Domain? I believe this is a perversion of the original concept in our Constitution. Our Founding Fathers explicitly wanted private property. The original statement was "life, liberty, and property" but was changed to pursuit of happiness.
I am going to wrap this up in a package for everyone here to understand.
The NWO is a program of bringing a One World Govt through whatever means possible, it is World Communism and it doesn't matter how it is packaged or what pretty face or mask they put on it. Globalism is a good term but it does sound more benign than Communism because of what Communism did in the early part of the century. It will entail the control by the Power Elite and Intl Bankers of all the world's resources, including water rights, mining, diamonds, land, etc. The people are increasingly being coralled into the cities while the land is being grabbed by govt and huge areas declared World Heritage sites by the UN for the purpose of control and keeping humans out of those areas.
Depopulation is a huge part of the program and you will find this agenda all through the UN Agenda 21 documentation and all their "Sustainability" programs center around stealing the land from the people and having it be under UN control and domination, with most of the population being culled in one way or another to leave most of the planet as pristine as possible. These are the programs of the Gaians, those who worship Mother Earth and believe humans are parasites and must be got rid of(or they say it's to preserve the earth from mankind's own stupidity and abuse) and this is where all that nonsense Global Warming/Climate Change came out of.
This is the plan, to usurp all national sovereignty and surrender all to the NWO with all the "useless eaters' having no personal control and no rights.
It is George Orwell on steroids and worse than even he imagined. It is total domination of the earth and all it's resources by a handful. Let's call them the 1%. OWS is right about that, but its not people who make $250,000 a year, it's the Rothschilds, Soros, Rockefellers, Harrimans, the members of Bilderbergs, these are the ones. They plan to be the new "bourgeois of the proletariat" the new owners of the communist revolution, the leaders on top while billions of people suffer under their rule and their depopulation agenda of mass starvation, poisoning by chemcials and poisins in the food, clothing and water, in the air(yes possibly chemtrails, and please read Dr Len Horowitz book, "Death Is In the Air"), nuclear holocaust(remember the elite have their D.U.M.B.s underground to survive all this stuff.
It is apocalyptic proportions.
Call it globalism, communism, capitalism, or whatever ism you want, it all stems from the same Intl cabal and Illuminati running things. They meet in secret to determine how the world will go, what wars will happen, what global taxes they are going to foist upon an unsuspecting populace.
Have I made this clear for anyone?

This is why people like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck talk about preparing and storing food and water and why the evil ones are trying to find out who is storing supplies.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


You completely ignore that recent debt was built up almost entirely under conservative/republican admins.

Current Conservatives have no respect for the U.S. constitution, they want to pretend that corporations do not abuse the rights of the people, and turn all power over to a global corporate empire, that will enslave us all if given the opportunity. They got you obsessed with 1913, when all you have to look at is the 8 years GW held office, and what his regime did the the people of the U.S., how they stripped our liberties and redistributed our wealth into the pockets of the International Corporate Bankers in support of a Global Corporate Empire.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


You completely ignore that recent debt was built up almost entirely under conservative/republican admins.

Current Conservatives have no respect for the U.S. constitution, they want to pretend that corporations do not abuse the rights of the people, and turn all power over to a global corporate empire, that will enslave us all if given the opportunity. They got you obsessed with 1913, when all you have to look at is the 8 years GW held office, and what his regime did the the people of the U.S., how they stripped our liberties and redistributed our wealth into the pockets of the International Corporate Bankers in support of a Global Corporate Empire.



What you are not getting is that both parties have increased the debt because we have a growing out of control spending based on unfunded liabilities, Obamacare, SS, Medicare, military spending especially wars and black ops, pork barrel spending and yes Obama and Biden both voted FOR the infamous Bridge to Nowhere then slammed Palin for it,Pell grants for higher education, public education, section 8 housing and urban development, health and human services, food stamps unemployment benefits, military benefits, bureaucratic offices and functions, the CIA, FBI, DEA, all govt bureacracies and so on. The more we add to the list of spending the higher the debt and it just accumulates.
Both parties have to rein in the spending. We have to stop sending money to foreign and third world countries for nation building. loans, etc and we have to defund the UN because the UN is a big part of the NWO apparatus wherein our tax dollars go to programs of depopulation, abortion, family planning, etc.
It's time to rein it all in and stop the massive growth of govt.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


You completely ignore that recent debt was built up almost entirely under conservative/republican admins.

Current Conservatives have no respect for the U.S. constitution, they want to pretend that corporations do not abuse the rights of the people, and turn all power over to a global corporate empire, that will enslave us all if given the opportunity. They got you obsessed with 1913, when all you have to look at is the 8 years GW held office, and what his regime did the the people of the U.S., how they stripped our liberties and redistributed our wealth into the pockets of the International Corporate Bankers in support of a Global Corporate Empire.


Did you not understand who was responsible for passing the Federal Reserve Act and the people who promoted it? By the way, both parties had legislation on the block for this. I would heartily recommend you studying G Edward Griffin on this, read his book "The Creature From Jekyll Island", study YouTUbes of his lectures, and check out his website www.freedomforceinternational.org...



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms
 


You must mean "comrpehension" not "apprehension".

Completely different meanings.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Actually that's my crazy auto-correct word speller. But thanks, I can appreciate the correction didn't even notice that



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Quite the contrary,

Most go into politics terrified as ever and know the nation must die by external order and know if they wish to remain where they are they are to keep their trap shut and look pretty for the camera's. If they dare reveal a thing they are pretty well dead, their families are dead, their friends are dead all are dead and after that the target goes for the final.. Hopefully this does not occur to Bradley Manning!



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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Republicans? Since when does either side of the fence represent the people? Unless they represent the bill of rights or the constitution, it doesn't matter if they are red or blue. Both sides continuously erode our rights in an equal manner.

But, I feel your frustration. I think everyone does lately. Anyone that's excited about Grinch NewtRich or Flip Romulan is out of their minds IMO.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Dilligaf28
 


Workers = "We the people" = "the governed".

Or does being a worker somehow exclude one from those classes?

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Apparently if you are not a boss, you should not get representation.

Apparently your not good enough at what you do to represent your self.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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You say the republicans are destroying the country, bull. I've seen alot In the sixty years I have been alive, but watching the far left drown this country in debt to help those who are to lazy to get off their butts is by far the worst thing I have seen. I have no problem with helping those that need it but get real: 2 years unemployment, three and four generations of a family on the dole never having worked a day, ileagles pouring across the borders, and you sit and blame the republicans; LOOK IN THe Mirror if you want to see the downfall of America you will see it clearly. People need to take responsibility for their ownselves and quit blaming others. All politicans are bought and paid for, but the liberals seem to be the worst.
In the 2008 elections Obama took more money from the bankers and wallstreet rich than all the others combined, does that make him the worst of all Please tell us; we await your reply with baited breath.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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The biggest welfare queens are the International Corporations, and if you actually paid attention, you will see that the republicans are doing everything in their power to keep the welfare money pouring into corporate bank accounts.

Most people these days pay more money in interest and insurance than they pay in taxes. At least government provides some infrastructure, and some law and order, while the bankers provide nothing.

The Boomer generation took the worlds greatest economy, and turned it into the greatest debt sink hole in history (ok not quite yet, but getting close). That shows how much you know.

The WW II gen turned the U.S. around with high taxes on the rich to pay down the debt, sound business regulation, strong support for unions, strict immigration policies, and sound fiscal policies. That is the formula for success, if you ever bothered to care to learn anything.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Fed Res Act? Like the last seventy years never happened. This is just slight of hand delusion to keep people diverted from the real facts. If the fed reserve act did us all in, then how did we manage to succeed so spectacularly in the second half of the twentieth century?



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Unfunded liabilities is by far the biggest problem for this country.
While there are somethings the rich do that is not so good tthe vast majiorty of them pay in a lot more than they get.
50% of the people in this country do not pay any taxes at all; the top 5% pay 60% of all taxes in this country it is about time the 50% who do not pay start kicking in a little something.
Liberals, and I belive you to be one, want a socialist or commie country. Take from those who work hard and accomplish something and give it to those are either to lazy or to good to work.
Taking from those who put the most people to work will not work.
Most all of small businesses are either a corperation or a LLC. That in your eyes makes them the bad guys. Without them this country would not and could not exist. To cut off your nose to spite your face seems a bit foolish. Have a nice day I hope working for the people you hate.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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You have bought into a bunch of propaganda nonsense.

The bottom fifty percent of income earners are mainly comprised of school children and retirees. Everyone with a bank account is considered an income earner. The school children will go on to pay their fair share, while the retirees already have.

Most of what the federal government does serves the super rich, which is why they should pay for most of the federal government.

If you do not conduct trade across state and federal borders, then you get back very little from the tax dollars you pay to the federal government. The cost of interstate and international commerce should be included in the cost of those goods and services, not subsidized by average peoples incomes.

Most of the feds expenditure goes to the military to keep international commerce moving, then there is the interest in that military expenditure, and then medicaid, which is nothing but a subsidy for illegal immigrants who provide a cheap slave labor work force that primarily benefits the super rich.

You should ask yourself, why with our huge military can't we protect our own borders. The obvious answer is that the last three republican admins who allowed illegal immigration to thrive, wanted those illegal immigrants.

The democrats have allowed their idealism to bugger themselves in many ways, that has lead to their failure to represent the people of the U.S., but the republicans are running straight towards destroying our liberties, and entrenching average people in poverty. They are by far the worst threat we face at this time.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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You might be right about our government being bought and paid for but I have to agree the Republicans do it in a way that just really blows my mind
Their only interested in the filthy rich, they were willing to tax the middle class over an oil pipe (Rich!)
Their more interested in hurting the Democrats then serving the people.
They made soooo many promises including getting the jobs market out of the gutter and have done nothing at all to fix the problem....except ensure the filthy rich or job creators get their money.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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My opinion about the whole argument that repubs are the same as demos, is just a last desperate thing republicans throw out when their free market, cut taxes for the rich, government shouldn't interfere with the rights of corporations to abuse the rights of the individual, is proven completely wrong by simple facts.

It is the same as the whole attack the 14th amendment, fed res act, destroyed government, and that the U.S. government can not succeed, can not work, despite the vast amount of historical evidence that the U.S. government can work quite well by taxing the super rich at the rates they should be taxed at, which is much higher then current tax rates, and regulating business to prevent them from committing crimes against individuals and violating the rights of the individual.

I should break up that sentence, but what the heck.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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How about we just eliminate both corporate and social welfare.

HURRAY - EVERYONE WINS.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Getting rid of corporate welfare alone, would allow a balanced budget next year.

Republicans would never allow that, it would eliminate their prized pork barrel projects.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Couldn't agree more, the current GOP field is a bunch of bought sock puppet clowns!!!

Sadly, I don't think Obama's all that much better. He's the lesser evil, but definitely not great.





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