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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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No, the only function of a Corporation is to make money, since we are operating under the "Corps aren't people".



Phhhhewwww, yeah right.

And if your right to property, life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness gets in the way of their profits, they will run you down, and the only thing that might stop them is government.

To pretend differently is to deny reality.



Macman is Rambo and he is RRRRRICH
He has like 44 lawyers... So tough, so rough, oh dear...




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Most corporations function almost the same as communist states like China, or the former USSR.

The corporations are supposed to serve their investors, and most employees are investors, but in the end, the elites at the top cheat everyone out of their fair share.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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No one is looking to ban or deny you the right to shop in the stores you want, what sites you can visit, where you can and cannot travel, what you can and cannot watch but to deny the same rights that you as a person fully and should forever enjoy be afforded to that of a corporation.

Get that through your head! No one is coming for your guns, your freedom or your liberty and I will be the first person to defend you if your liberty is ever threatened but in this case I see more regulations against corporations be a swipe at your own personal liberty!

What we seek is to expand the control we all have over our own lives, the right to choose what school you send your kids to, the right to go to the doctor of your own choosing, the right to eat the food we want!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Old,

How are you my friend, hope you are well! How's the fam? Hope they are well!

The reason why it was written that way was so that the entire doc can be understood by someone of mediocre intelligence could understand it but never ever hindered nor limited Gov't ability to be a broadsword to protect the people from larger elements.

The reason why it was never declared in the original (1789) version was that the threat of a corporatacracy was not even a possibility back then but never placed bans or restrictions on Govt to move on such if a need were to ever arise in the future.

It also did not ban, limit, restrict or outlaw the following :
If you've ever taken care of either a kid or a growing parent that is socialism as you must do for them. We are not asking for Govt to hold our hands throughout all of life's ups and downs but ask Govt to be there to ensure that things like Social Security can be there for when we all need it, be there to make sure that the meds and food we give to our families is healthy and safe and will only do what the package says it will do, make sure our kids can have a spot to go to school as a basic education is a fundamental human right and is a requirement in all 1st world nations. We ask that if you have contributed to taxpaying that if you can't work because of say, a car accident or a home accident that a cheque in some amount will be at your doorstep once a week until you return to work, we ask to have sanitary and safe work conditions, safe transportation methods, to ensure that we are not being gouged and that all companies are playing fair and by the rules!

The Founders never intended to have corporations have a broader reach then Govt as they wanted both to co exist as Franklin was perhaps the wealthiest and had himself a nice little conglomerate but the difference between his company and those of today is that he put people before profits which reverberated down to the people hence why just about everyone liked him. He could've been a multi billionaire by today's standards by licensing his inventions for applications on a multitude of item but knew enough to never cross his business interests and his political interests as he knew it would cause a confliction and avoided it whenever possible. Nowadays such restraint isn't being seen anymore as the corporate mantra seems to butt heads with the Govt mantra. He was always able to keep both of his interests split as to not show a hint of impropriety as that would've forever tarnished the image of both the Founders and the nation itself. He had the largest corporation in his day yet didn't try to influence the laws or elections to suit his agenda as he had an open door to him with the power players from back then. This is why Franklin, albeit a widely known womanizer is regarded as one of the Greatest Americans that ever lived, one of the top like 20 easy!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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The lunatic fringe neo cons are basically in the mind set "if our ship is sinking we take everyone with us" instead of handing out life jackets and life rafts. It really is sickening and sobering this monkey show they have had these past 2 elections. Actually a dead give away that it's all rigged. Cain and Palen were just gimmicks to distract us Romney is an elitist and they "right wing puppets" planned to lose the last election... Obama was just filler another body to take the blame. Doe sent really matter who wins we all lose. They are just actors, agents, puppets, pawns , hand picked and planted. We don't choose our fake leaders they are planned well before we even hear of them. ITS ALL FAKE! THE WHOLE SHOW!!!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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As someone who has sat in on these "appointment" meetings I can attest that everything you are saying is factual. I knew Obama was gonna be POTUS as early as Q1 2008 and the Palin factor was intentionally crafted to sink their chance as would've we rather seen an old fuddy duddy who couldn't remember how many houses he owned or the airheaded ditz who thought war with The Russian Federation was a good idea. I was one of about like less then 25 people who knew of the secret "Hillary-Obama Meeting" in Aug 08 both before and while it was going on.

The Tea Party were put up for the same exact reason. OWS however is not apart of this plan as they couldn't've in their wildest imagination concocted a movement such as ours!

Items such as that don't just happen as they are all apart of a well crafted plan but OWS and Anonymous are the only exceptions to the rule as both were not a conception of The SCUM!

Notice how the 2012 GOP crop is eerily similar setup that is being crafted along the same exact lines of the 08 election cycle? The GOP are being propped up yet again to fail as there is absolutely no substance and no plan to get the nation back on track coming from either!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b

This is a good example of where government should be protecting our rights, in this case our right to property.

news.yahoo.com...


However, TCF sent him a letter on Oct. 12 informing him that it had charged him a $9.95 monthly maintenance fee six days earlier because the account had a low balance. That led to an overdrawn account by $5.10, which then led to a $28-a-day overdraft fee. The account was 10 cents over the $5 threshold for which the daily fee kicks in. Young Ganziano's account was now overdrawn by $33.10.
Ganziano, who works in the nonprofit sector, and her son went to the bank that weekend to close his account, the Tribune reported. But they first had to pay the accumulated fees, which totaled $229.10.


The bank should have their charter pulled, and the execs thrown in jail for fraud. Sad thing is that banks everywhere pull this scam all of the time.




Believe it or not, I actually agree with you on principle. These fees go over and above a regular usury fee, and the banks are looking to make even more of a profit. The banks act as a monopoly because, even though there is plenty of competition in banking, they are all doing the same stuff, so there is really no where to go. Some banks are a bit less aggressive like this. They behave as though there is an inelastic demand for their services(that is, we all require banking so they get away with all this cr*)).



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Deregulation allowed them to do this very item!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Actually Sarah jazzed up the McCain campaign, but the liberals and the media beat her down so far. It was despicable beyond measure. She still beat the odds by publishing books and talking to Tea Parties and other groups.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Sarah's purpose was to bring sex to politics as they needed someone hot who is easily manipulated and willing to say and do whatever she's told all to stay in front of the camera. Remember how she got slammed and blasted for having campaign donations finance her "family vacation of America" that was nothing more then a ruse to hide the fact she was on another book tour?

Those two and those two alone sunk the campaign without needing any to no external help.

This is how it should always be, having both of us cool, calm and collected and not jumping down one another's throat! This is how we come together to act like mature adults having an intelligent conversation. United America is the only way we will get out of this mess.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Deregulation allowed them to do this very item!



Deregulation has nothing to do with it. You can't deregulate something that was never regulated to begin with. Nice try. The deregulation everyone is talking about is Glass-Steagall which has nothing to do with account overdraft fees. It has to do with separating commercial banking from investment banking.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Sarah's purpose was to bring sex to politics as they needed someone hot who is easily manipulated and willing to say and do whatever she's told all to stay in front of the camera. Remember how she got slammed and blasted for having campaign donations finance her "family vacation of America" that was nothing more then a ruse to hide the fact she was on another book tour?

Those two and those two alone sunk the campaign without needing any to no external help.

This is how it should always be, having both of us cool, calm and collected and not jumping down one another's throat! This is how we come together!
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I can't believe you actually buy into this conspiracy theory. I love a good conspiracy like many others here, I just buy into the real ones, like Skull and Bones pitting two of their people against each other in the same Presidential race.

For whatever it's worth, I believe that McCain really saw her as a maverick in the energy dept.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Reagan, Clinton, 43's systematic deregulation of policies implemented in the 1930's alone allowed this mess to occur. When Clinton undid Glass-Steegle in 1999 that regulation kept investment and commercial banking separate so that a bank couldn't invest money in a collapse or rise of it's investment arm that allowed the banks to bank on collapses!

Palin is a ditz as it took her 5 colleges to acquire a journalism degree! My info and stance on Palin doesn't come from conspiracy but from first hand experience!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Reagan, Clinton, 43's systematic deregulation of policies implemented in the 1930's alone allowed this mess to occur. When Clinton undid Glass-Steegle in 1999 that regulation kept investment and commercial banking separate so that a bank couldn't invest money in a collapse or rise of it's investment arm that allowed the banks to bank on collapses!

Palin is a ditz as it took her 5 colleges to acquire a journalism degree! My info and stance on Palin doesn't come from conspiracy but from first hand experience!
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And you , like others, show intellectual snobbery of the worst kind. Don't EVER try to convince me you are for the little people or the proletariat when you judge other's situations like the worst liberal college professor intellectual elite. You have just convinced me that you are not for the downtrodden, but an armchair intellectual.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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The source you used clearly states that the workers democratically own and control the means of production. This will eventually lead to a classless, stateless society known as communism.
None of these are features are reflected in the Chinese state capitalist model which you consider 'communist'.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


No one is looking to ban or deny you the right to shop in the stores you want, what sites you can visit, where you can and cannot travel, what you can and cannot watch but to deny the same rights that you as a person fully and should forever enjoy be afforded to that of a corporation.

Get that through your head! No one is coming for your guns, your freedom or your liberty and I will be the first person to defend you if your liberty is ever threatened but in this case I see more regulations against corporations be a swipe at your own personal liberty!

What we seek is to expand the control we all have over our own lives, the right to choose what school you send your kids to, the right to go to the doctor of your own choosing, the right to eat the food we want!
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This is naivete at its best. The 1984 Orwellian nightmare is on it's way, and I have an idea that even George Orwell didn't see some of it coming.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by DrNotforhire
I can't wait to vote obama out that's all imma say..



LOL. There will be worse presidents after the one before them. I'm just saying we need changes in how we put people in charge of our country. Make changes rather then letting the next guy after you screw it all up for a bribe/bailout.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
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The OWS protesters are protesting wealth inequality and corporate greed, so Corporations and their friends in the Government acted quickly to crush their dissent.

The Tea Party wants more freedom for those poor oppressed rich people. Therefore, it is in the interest of large Corporations to support this conservative/libertarian vision of Utopia.
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You're kidding right? The local govts allowed these people to camp in public parks for months and run up huge costs for the local govts.
The Tea Party had their rallies, paid for their permits, and went home(and cleaned up after themselves) and didn't leave dirty needles and poop all over the place.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The source you used clearly states that the workers democratically own and control the means of production. This will eventually lead to a classless, stateless society known as communism.
None of these are features are reflected in the Chinese state capitalist model which you consider 'communist'.



That is in theory of course. In practice, the State remains Supreme and control the actions of all the proletariat sheepies.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by macman
Corporations don't really tread on my Liberties, as they don't write law. The Govt does. You are in need of a Civics class, instead of playing with toy cars.


That makes no sense at all and belittling someone with it makes even less. Only laws can tread on your liberties?
I guarantee you that me and my corporation can tread all over your liberties without writing a single law.



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