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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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reply to post by macman
 


Yeah we get it Mac,
Corporations goooood.
Government baaaaad.

I guess some people need to divide things up in such simplistic terms.


Corporations don't really tread on my Liberties, as they don't write law. The Govt does. You are in need of a Civics class, instead of playing with toy cars.


Wow, statements like this make you sound completely brainwashed. Only laws can violate your liberties?


So according to your world view, criminals can't deprive you of life, liberty, property, or the pursuit of happiness.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Might as well have a Bachelor's in teaching so that you can homeschool your kids because socialism affords a spot for your kid to go to for free!

We homeschooled until 5th grade. Even though my husband has two masters degrees (engineering and business) and I have a BS in Psychology, it wasn't necessary for homeschooling. The reason people homeschool are for safety reasons and for educational reasons. The so called 'free education' at the public schools (which isn't really free because tax payers pay for it) in our city isn't nearly as good or safe as being homeschooled.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman
 


Yeah we get it Mac,
Corporations goooood.
Government baaaaad.

I guess some people need to divide things up in such simplistic terms.


Corporations don't really tread on my Liberties, as they don't write law. The Govt does. You are in need of a Civics class, instead of playing with toy cars.


Wow, statements like this make you sound completely brainwashed. Only laws can violate your liberties?


So according to your world view, criminals can't deprive you of life, liberty, property, or the pursuit of happiness.



One extreme to the other to show a point??
Never said I loved Corps.
I just realize that Govt will in the end vie for control over the citizen.
Corps in the end will vie for my dollar.

Which seems to have more ability to control?
Those that create, enforce and judge the law?
Or those that want my money?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman
 




So according to your world view, criminals can't deprive you of life, liberty, property, or the pursuit of happiness.


Yes, yes they can.
But, according to the Immaculated-all-over-himself-1, Corporations aren't people.
So now what?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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So what are you saying?

We should all give up any hope of justice? We shouldn't continue to fight for our liberties because some other threat will show up, after we defeat this current threat of Wall Street crooks now threatening our liberty and our prosperity?

What you are saying is completely and totally against the ideals the U.S. was founded upon, and the very principles of our nation.

It sounds like you are with those in the quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.


I think it is wishful thinking for a system where everyone at all levels have the same political power. Communism on paper is a great idea, but it doesn't take human nature into account.


Who exactly is making these wishes?

Sounds to me like you equate representative government to communism. If so, that is one huge case of oxymoronic thinking.

The history of the U.S. proves you completely wrong.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Dilligaf28
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But the Constitution concerns the relationship between individuals and their government. The way a corporation treats an employee is not in any way related to the Constitution. Rather than try to force it to do so perhaps the if you are unhappy at your job you should seek new employment before twisting the Constitution into a pretzel.


Wrong! According to USA laws a corporation is a legal person, aka artificial person, so they are bound by most if not all state, federal and any pertinent international laws. Corporations reap lots of the benefits of foreign labor but they want to exclude themselves from as many restraints as possible.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Every statement that me and like a half dozen others says to increase or enhance regulation on a corporation you are quick to say it's threatens your personal liberty for which we've asked you on at least 2 dozen different occasions on 3 different threads how does a new regulation hinder or obstruct your personal liberty and have yet to answer and keep on deflecting.

You want a corporation to be able to vote, sit on a jury, run for office. That is what you are defending yet lack the mental competency and proficiency to actually understand this.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Corps vie for control of everything, they want to dictate how you live your life, and to think differently is being naive.

The people who control corporations want you to be their slave.

A corporation isn't a person, it is a mask for people to hide behind, wield enormous power, and all too often do very bad things without the least worry of being held responsible.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Every statement that me and like a half dozen others says to increase or enhance regulation on a corporation you are quick to say it's threatens your personal liberty for which we've asked you on at least 2 dozen different occasions on 3 different threads how does a new regulation hinder or obstruct your personal liberty and have yet to answer and keep on deflecting.

You want a corporation to be able to vote, sit on a jury, run for office. That is what you are defending yet lack the mental competency and proficiency to actually understand this.


Already been covered.
Stop being lazy and do your own research, as I am not your Govt nor your mother,.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Talking points is all you bring, nothing of any real importance and substance or pertinence to the topic at hand. Answer it, how does a new regulation on a corporation hinder your personal liberty? Stop running around in circles, stop skirting around the topic and finally answer the damn q!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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The really weird part that I figured out recently is that most republics turn into dictatorships of one kind or another. Let us take the USSR as an example: Union of Soviet Socialist(actually communist) Republic ruled by stalin as dictator-in-chief and ardent nationalist.

America is a republic that is turning into a DHS dictatorship ever since president bush and his failure to stop 9-11.

Central and South American nations are ALMOST ALL labeled as republics....and guess what? All right wing dictatorships for the spanish colonials keeping the natives down&ignorant&indentured servants.

Why do modern day american republicans want "The contract on America* for "smaller government"? A smaller government is definitely proned to more elitism, but in actuallity we have a huge government that has been infilitrated by wall street since the vanderbilts and rockefellers of the 1910s. Then we got The Federal Reserve and the IRS all run by the IMF.

What about democracies where people have a theoretical direct say in government? Why do some people FEAR this so much? It can't really be about religious or ethnic miniorites because americans are normally tolerant folks. Maybe it is all about protecting artificial persons called corporations!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman
 


Corps vie for control of everything, they want to dictate how you live your life, and to think differently is being naive.

The people who control corporations want you to be their slave.

A corporation isn't a person, it is a mask for people to hide behind, wield enormous power, and all too often do very bad things without the least worry of being held responsible.



No, No and No.
No, the only function of a Corporation is to make money, since we are operating under the "Corps aren't people".

Corps do not make, enforce or interpret law. Govt does.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Double Post

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Talking points is all you bring, nothing of any real importance and substance or pertinence to the topic at hand. Answer it, how does a new regulation on a corporation hinder your personal liberty? Stop running around in circles, stop skirting around the topic and finally answer the damn q!

Already been covered.
reply to post by macman
 



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Most laws benefit the corps because of the "bought and paid" Congress who is owned by the corps! The financial reform and healthcare reform was amongst the first laws to benefit the people in nearly a decade!

More talking points of how Govt and bad and evil while Corps do God's work!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by poet1b
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Corps vie for control of everything, they want to dictate how you live your life, and to think differently is being naive.

The people who control corporations want you to be their slave.

A corporation isn't a person, it is a mask for people to hide behind, wield enormous power, and all too often do very bad things without the least worry of being held responsible.



No, No and No.
No, the only function of a Corporation is to make money, since we are operating under the "Corps aren't people".

Corps do not make, enforce or interpret law. Govt does.


Corporations ARE people and corporations DO interpret laws by money. Money is a first amendment right according to the latest supreme court decision by a vote of 4-3...all republicans voted FOR and all democrats voted AGAINST.

I understand what you are trying to say but it becomes pointless semantics. The people have no chance in hell, unless they are rich, of donating what corporations collectively donate. Donations in my book equals bribery!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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A donation is more of a promisery item whereas when the time is right they cash in their favour, Idiot here backs blindly the other important SCOTUS ruling from 09 that says a foreign elements can donate as much money as they want.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Most laws benefit the corps because of the "bought and paid" Congress who is owned by the corps! The financial reform and healthcare reform was amongst the first laws to benefit the people in nearly a decade!

More talking points of how Govt and bad and evil while Corps do God's work!
edit on 13-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Now you are pitching fairness. Make up your frazzled mind.
Never said anything about Gods work.


The Govt still makes the laws, enforces them and interprets them.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman
 


Corps vie for control of everything, they want to dictate how you live your life, and to think differently is being naive.

The people who control corporations want you to be their slave.

A corporation isn't a person, it is a mask for people to hide behind, wield enormous power, and all too often do very bad things without the least worry of being held responsible.



No, No and No.
No, the only function of a Corporation is to make money, since we are operating under the "Corps aren't people".

Corps do not make, enforce or interpret law. Govt does.




That is such simplistic thinking.
The aim of a Corporation is to make profit; in fact they are legally obliged to do so.

The more money they control, the greater their power and influence becomes until they are able to either directly or indirectly write the laws to suit their ultimate aim - which is more freedom to maximize profit.

The Corporation is the dominant institution of our time, like the Church was hundreds of years ago, and like the Church did, they retain ultimate power.

Conservatives love yelling about 'liberty' and 'freedom' but run straight into the arms of corporations.
What monumental effort it must take to bend reality to suit your outlook.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Are you equally opposed to having govt control the pricing and the controls? It seems that is the crux of the agenda here. Whereas conservatives prefer market controls, Statists prefer govt controls. That conversation is not going to just stop. Certain people seem to want to eliminate Capitalism entirely. That is what I have been hearing in the livestreams and seen on OWS placards. People also seem to think that govt regulations are going to stop people from using corporations, but why do they not hold politicians themselves accountable? What about that stock Nancy Pelosi purchased based on insider information she had as a Congresswoman?
More govt is great eh?


It is not about price controls, it is about business ethics and not making all the regulations favor big business. Of course free market is ideal and it should be protected, but how can you protect free markets when you don't enforce anti-trust laws?

Or when the SEC turns a blind eye to the "too big to fail" like the FED does? Double standards only help the eliteand is the epitomy of hypocrisy. Yes I want a smaller government in terms of expenditures and better public relations, but not small enough where it chokes the nation.

Do away with DHS for starters. Then make NASA accountable with a smaller budget. Cut down on the enormous cia budget. Stop threatning nations that don't like israel. Stop all this anti-terror military industrial complex waste. Go after illegals consuming state welfare. BUT leave social security, medicare, medicaid ALONE since people PAY INTO THAT and DESERVE EVERY PENNY! It is MINDBOGGLING how the FIRST THING our government thinks to cut down is ALWAYS social services but forgets other avenues. True nwo hypocrites!



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