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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by mastahunta
Because it is intended to represent me, in some small way, remember, I don't
have a news station, 100 lawyers and 50 lobbyist. I am not sure why the private economy and political
system should belong to the wealthy and their whims, which is what I perceive as being the
outcome of conservative policy put into practice..


So how do you change it and why should you? If you started a company and it grew to let's say 50 employees you would be one of them.


I am not talking about a 50 employee business, I am actually inclined to make the atmosphere
more conducive... I am talking about companies and entities that are powerful enough to dominate
the food supply, the pharmacological output, the political system and the price structure of entire
markets. In these cases, I am opposed to having these entities control society with their business
agenda, they use the political system to impose their agenda and I am all for using it to slow their role.

Don't you think the population has the right to use the political system in same manner as the elites?




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Are you equally opposed to having govt control the pricing and the controls? It seems that is the crux of the agenda here. Whereas conservatives prefer market controls, Statists prefer govt controls. That conversation is not going to just stop. Certain people seem to want to eliminate Capitalism entirely. That is what I have been hearing in the livestreams and seen on OWS placards. People also seem to think that govt regulations are going to stop people from using corporations, but why do they not hold politicians themselves accountable? What about that stock Nancy Pelosi purchased based on insider information she had as a Congresswoman?
More govt is great eh?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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The bankrupting of The Govt began December 23 1913 when The Federal Reserve was created!

12.23.1913 - 01.01.2013!
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I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and I told him about the whole nationalizing the fed bit, and he first off said that the Fed was already nationalized. Same thing as what the blogger I posted said.
You have an issue with the Fed being private and most Libertarians have a problem with the Fed being centralized control, because right now the Fed and the govt work in collusion. It is folly to think that eliminating the private part is going to make any changes. You would just be creating a nationalized central banking system. My friend incidentally said that it was even Internationalized, what with the World Bank and IMF. I would love to hear your ideas on the World Bank and IMF?????
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


The bankrupting of The Govt began December 23 1913 when The Federal Reserve was created!



I can not disagree... I'm confused are you for or against deregulation and corporate socialism?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

One ran by the people that works for only the people is the new one that will emerge shortly!


This has a certain ring to it I have heard before....I think it was in Russia back when the Czars fell... be careful what you wish for, you might get it. BTW there isn't much I agree with OWS group.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Reagan, granted largest amnesty to illegals to date.
Raised taxes across the board like it was a bad habit.
Expanded government far beyond anything it had ever been before.

How does he help you or any Right winger make their case.

ETA: Was close friends with a Communist.
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Close friends with a communist? That's interesting. Yes, Reagan granted amnesty to illegals,and did we learn from that experience? When did I say Reagan was right about everything? Perry also leans that way and liberals bash him mightily.
What a curious conundrum it is.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by mastahunta
 


Are you equally opposed to having govt control the pricing and the controls? It seems that is the crux of the agenda here. Whereas conservatives prefer market controls, Statists prefer govt controls. That conversation is not going to just stop. Certain people seem to want to eliminate Capitalism entirely. That is what I have been hearing in the livestreams and seen on OWS placards. People also seem to think that govt regulations are going to stop people from using corporations, but why do they not hold politicians themselves accountable? What about that stock Nancy Pelosi purchased based on insider information she had as a Congresswoman?
More govt is great eh?


I do not oppose the government, neither do you, you are going to vote for just as many
people as me so let's be real here. I don't mind market controls, if the market is not nationally
and GLOBALLY linked to cogent laws and rules. But, this mess here was castigated by making
holes in the regulatory framework that kept this nation going fine for over half a century. Essentially
creating "market solutions" to create new "PRODUCTS". So in the case of creating "NEW PRODUCTS",
penned, by three American conservatives I might add, was a multi trillion dollar derivatives market
based upon a debt model. So, Mr/Mrs market man, I sure as hell am against letting elite bankers siphon
of trillions of dollars from the people who actually WORK for it, just to sell debt??? What kind of unproductive
UnAmerican idea is that?


For it was done, under the auspices of MARKET SOLUTIONS and MARKET CONTROLS, derivatives
is one big private market control, the market dictates the supply and demand of the "commodity".
So I need to see a case by case basis,



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Could you please explain what this response to that is supposed to mean? It almost sounds like there is a point there but I am missing what it is. Thank you.



My point is that anyone can become one of the evil rich... and being rich doesn't make one evil or corrupted. There will always be people in power that want to change, manipulate, control that does no one but themselves any good, so it doesn't matter what system we put into place there will be people like this. There are also corporations that want to do the same under any system. When the Government gets to the point it has vast controls to prevent all this then the Government becomes the evil entity. Look at Russia today with Putin to get an idea.

It is hard to single out these small groups without affecting the whole and if you could there will be a new line-up of others waiting for their turn. Today it might be big business and a few billionaires, tomorrow it could easily be socialist leadership waiting in the weeds, but striving to have their own fleet of G6s one day as the rest of us are all "equal". Now the big question is how does this all effect me at my level of life? As big money changes things I live in a much different world, very removed from all that and though I agree it does have effect I personally see little of that effect for I live around it.

I have lived all over the world and so I have a different perspective on life and such. In most other countries you have just a few choices in products to pick from with very little control on the purity of the product. You put your kids in private schools, you pay for healthcare out of pocket (which I do not have an issue with this since the cost is 1% to 5% of what out of the pocket here in the states would be). Infrastructures are scary at best many times, you get your own potable water, as example. Open corruption at all levels is a norm. Bribes is a way of life to get anything done.

America has a very long way to go to even come close to this....



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

I am not talking about a 50 employee business, I am actually inclined to make the atmosphere
more conducive... I am talking about companies and entities that are powerful enough to dominate
the food supply, the pharmacological output, the political system and the price structure of entire
markets. In these cases, I am opposed to having these entities control society with their business
agenda, they use the political system to impose their agenda and I am all for using it to slow their role.

Don't you think the population has the right to use the political system in same manner as the elites?


SO, what is your answer to fix it and not have another group do the same thing under a different name? Most of America operates under small businesses and YOU have a choice to buy from these big corporations or not, there is not a lack of choice in America, but we are weak as a whole.

I think it is wishful thinking for a system where everyone at all levels have the same political power. Communism on paper is a great idea, but it doesn't take human nature into account.


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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by mastahunta

I am not talking about a 50 employee business, I am actually inclined to make the atmosphere
more conducive... I am talking about companies and entities that are powerful enough to dominate
the food supply, the pharmacological output, the political system and the price structure of entire
markets. In these cases, I am opposed to having these entities control society with their business
agenda, they use the political system to impose their agenda and I am all for using it to slow their role.

Don't you think the population has the right to use the political system in same manner as the elites?


SO, what is your answer to fix it and not have another group do the same thing under a different name? Most of America operates under small businesses and YOU have a choice to buy from these big corporations or not, there is not a lack of choice in America, but we are weak as a whole.


Do I have a choice that big Pharma uses their money and power to keep prices in America
the highest in the world? How about when they buy patents to curative formulas and processes?

Does a small town have a choice when the frackers come in and destroy the ground water,
poison the local population and make THEM foot the bill for the medical expenses?

Do I have a choice when international banking cartels place the currency I use over a fire pit
of doom???

Did the gulf cost fisherman have the choice to transport their entire lives to unpolluted waters?




I think it is wishful thinking for a system where everyone at all levels have the same political power. Communism on paper is a great idea, but it doesn't take human nature into account.


Who is talking Communism? Show me where I mentioned the use of communism as a cure-all...

I feel the same way about "free market" as it applies to the oligarchy

" it doesn't take human nature into account "

Or the mindless nature of a lifeless corporation, that has no brain or conscience to guide it.

The individuals who scammed this country are free and safe, because they did it under the guise of
business and in the name of a company, which protected them legally and idealistically...

"THE COMPANY DID IT!" (why yes, and you made the company adopt those policies)

INNOCENT!!!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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You do need tv news to tell you what to think because you have yet to issue one original thought in this entire thread but rehash the old and debunked GOP talking points that were written by Wall Street and the banks.

This "new Era Of Nationalism" is not a dictatorial slide as you have been so blinded into believing is a bad thing that you only want more of the same which clearly is no longer and option and is not another useless opinion but a DAMN CONFIRMED FACT!

Still defending the liberty of a corporation I see while continuing to ignore the threat to your liberty that giving and affording liberty to a corporation will always do.

The Battlefield Act is to identify who stands with the United States and who stands against it as we must know whose allegiance is sworn to the US.

How about $100 Trillion, $500 Trillion, $1 Quadrillion, why stop there, let's go to $1 Quintillion because these douchewads will never stop if they see a chance to scam more money out of Govt. Nationalization shall be the only way forward and many financial and political scholars tend to share my exact sentiment, no more private control over our coin! Give me a figure, when it the debt too much.

Get off your damn high horse and start exploring a new employment because in a couple of years your tenrue as a contractor you won't be able to find work in your field and will be forced to change professions!

Take this Anti American defeatist attitude to the American Nazi party because your ideals fall more in line with theirs then anyone else's.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Against both as if no law exists a corporation will take advantage of any lax in a law or a regulation because "there'd be no law banning or regulating it!". They are notorious for it!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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The Libretarians are for a nationalized Federal Reserve and as of now the Fed is still privately ran. The World Bank and The IMF are frauds as well and after we regain control of The Fed both are next!

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


You do need tv news to tell you what to think because you have yet to issue one original thought in this entire thread but rehash the old and debunked GOP talking points that were written by Wall Street and the banks.

Ok, I guess. Considering I don't even have cable TV at home. Sure sure.




Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 

This "new Era Of Nationalism" is not a dictatorial slide as you have been so blinded into believing is a bad thing that you only want more of the same which clearly is no longer and option and is not another useless opinion but a DAMN CONFIRMED FACT!

Um, go and read what Nationalism is. You are clueless........again.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Still defending the liberty of a corporation I see while continuing to ignore the threat to your liberty that giving and affording liberty to a corporation will always do.

Corporations don't really tread on my Liberties, as they don't write law. The Govt does. You are in need of a Civics class, instead of playing with toy cars.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 

The Battlefield Act is to identify who stands with the United States and who stands against it as we must know whose allegiance is sworn to the US.


Yeah, now I know you are just blindly following Lord 0bama and his ilk. The Battlefield Act. Can you say Un-Constitional much?
Again, clueless.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 

How about $100 Trillion, $500 Trillion, $1 Quadrillion, why stop there, let's go to $1 Quintillion because these douchewads will never stop if they see a chance to scam more money out of Govt. Nationalization shall be the only way forward and many financial and political scholars tend to share my exact sentiment, no more private control over our coin! Give me a figure, when it the debt too much.

Yep, as the Govt you so love continues to do this, you keep marching on with double speak and BS.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 

Get off your damn high horse and start exploring a new employment because in a couple of years your tenrue as a contractor you won't be able to find work in your field and will be forced to change professions!

Contractor?!?!?! Contract?!?!?! What are you babbling about?



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 

Take this Anti American defeatist attitude to the American Nazi party because your ideals fall more in line with theirs then anyone else's.
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There aren't enough
to put in the retort for your BS.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Next time your house catches fire don't dare call the fire dept to come and put it out as your intense hatred for anything socialism would interfere too much with your pride and ego and let the puppy burn. Fend for yourself right, means no calls to the fire dept, police dept, ambulance. Might as well plow your own street because socialism affords someone a job to drive a truck to plow out your street. Might as well call up your local incinerator authourity to tell them to stop coming to your house to collect your refuse because socialism makes sure that a 4 man team is assembled to get on a truck to drive around collecting garbage. If a tree falls on your property you better clean it up yourself because socialism affords a 3 man team to come around and remove it in another truck. You better have your medical practitioners license because don't dare call the ambu and just sit there and suffer bleeding to death in silence. If a power line on your block snaps and falls to the street you better be skilled in both fixing the line and have a cherry picker parked in your drive to fix it because socialism affords 1 person to come in a cherry picker to fix the downed line. I hope you have plumbing credentials and the equipment to fix a broken water main because socialism afford a 6 man team in 3 trucks to come to your block to tear up the street, fix the pipe and to repave the street, next time your house catches on fire you better have a 2000 gallon pumper truck and a foam truck parked next to your house to put it out because socialism affords that a 6 man team can come in 2 trucks to put the fire out.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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What rubbish.

Typical of conservative responses, some anonymous claim Obama is Satan himself, in order to hide the obvious efforts of republicans in congress to undermine the nation of the U.S. and everything it stands for.

As I pointed out in the op, repubs are doing everything in their power to protect Wall Street crooks, and thwart ever attempt by the Obama Admin to bring those crooks to justice.

People who support these republican efforts to allow fraudulent business practices to continue unscathed are enemies of the principles the U.S. was founded upon.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Next time your house catches fire don't dare call the fire dept to come and put it out as your intense hatred for anything socialism would interfere too much with your pride and ego and let the puppy burn. Fend for yourself right, means no calls to the fire dept, police dept, ambulance. Might as well plow your own street because socialism affords someone a job to drive a truck to plow out your street. Might as well call up your local incinerator authourity to tell them to stop coming to your house to collect your refuse because socialism makes sure that a 4 man team is assembled to get on a truck to drive around collecting garbage. If a tree falls on your property you better clean it up yourself because socialism affords a 3 man team to come around and remove it in another truck. You better have your medical practitioners license because don't dare call the ambu and just sit there and suffer bleeding to death in silence.


More BS threats of the sky will fall from Immaculated.

Firefighters are paid with tax money, same with police.
Ambulance is to the person, as it is either a private ambulance company or the hospital.
My street is managed by a private company.
Garbage collections is private as well.
Tree down will be removed by again, private companies.

You are just babbling to babble now.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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These are are Civil Service programs all financed by SOCIALISM and your intense hatred of anything socialism doesn't allow you to differentiate between good and evil socialism as according to you all forms of socialism is evil and they all should be abolished as they all are sinister and nefarious in origin!

Might as well have a Bachelor's in teaching so that you can homeschool your kids because socialism affords a spot for your kid to go to for free!

Work harder because millions of Chinese labourers depend on you!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
, repubs are doing everything in their power to protect Wall Street crooks, and thwart ever attempt by the Obama Admin to bring those crooks to justice.

Wouldn't that be a little tough for Obama to do ... considering how much money he gets from Wall Street for his elections, and considering that he has bailed Wall Street out, and considering Obama picked a Wall Street insider and lobbiest for his re-election chairman. He isn't 'going after the wall street crooks' ... he is ONE OF THEM.

If Obama really wants to go after criminals, he can start with his buddy Eric Holder.
But I'm bett'n that, just like Wall Street, he's in too deep with Holder to go after him as well.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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These are are Civil Service programs all financed by SOCIALISM and your intense hatred of anything socialism doesn't afford you to differentiate between good and evil socialism.

Might as well have a Bachelor's in teaching so that you can homeschool your kids because socialism affords a spot for your kid to go to for free!


No, no there are not.
Maybe where you live, the Govt does everything for you.
Where I live, the only Govt entity from what you mentioned is the Police and Fire department.
C.L.U.E.L.E.S.S.!!!!!

Public schooling is not free. Property Taxes pays for this.
Even more clueless.

You don't need a Bachelors degree for homeschooling. CLUELESS again.



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