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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Yes, Marx and Lenin wrote about the proletarian dictatorship, but I never mentioned it, you did!
The fact that Reagan had a positive rating has nothing to do with what I said. You keep bringing up irrelevant details.
I do not support Obama.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Republicans alone? It's more like a contest between the democrats and the republicans to see who's the biggest traitor. And every time, they surprise each other (and the American people) with new levels of treasonous bills and statements.

Like this from Obama :
Section targeting American citizens in S.1867/NDAA was put there by Obama



Wow, that is really telling. even the co sponsor says Obama wanted the protections of the citizens taken out. That really says something about Obama.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Yes, Marx and Lenin wrote about the proletarian dictatorship, but I never mentioned it, you did!
The fact that Reagan had a positive rating has nothing to do with what I said. You keep bringing up irrelevant details.
I do not support Obama.



Reagan's popularity ratings is not irrelevant, in fact it totally irrelevant since you have so much hatred for him, it turns out he was quite popular as a President, and the fact that I said he was the best one since JFK is backed up by the notations of his popularity.

I brought up the points about proletarian dictatorship so you would understand the nature of that which you so mightily defend.

People like you think you can fool the unlearned and unwise when you insist that social democracy is really a lovely wonderful thing and it's so great and everyone is happy and taken care of by the great and powerful Oz(the Supreme State), but it turns out that it is really a dictatorship even in the eyes of those who devised the Communist Manifesto. They simply justify it because they believe in the ends of communism. To them, the ends justify the means. They say, "let us do evil that good may come".
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:13 AM
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Ma'am, freedom means different things to different people.

For us, freedom means the freedom to make our own decisions, make our own future, make our own fortunes, make our own mistakes.

For many on this thread, freedom means freedom of decision making. Their Nationalsim/socialism would free them from having to make choices, it would free them from having to make decisions, it would free them from having to take responsibility.

We all see freedom differently.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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Very well put Beezer. You are very well informed, my friend.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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The standard of living in the Nordic social democracies are the highest in the world. That does not match your perception of reality so you dismiss it.

I did not defend any type of dictatorship and I have spent much time trying to explain to you that I am not a statist who supports "big" government. But you refuse to even try to understand, twisting definitions to suit your agenda.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:36 AM
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By the way, on the subject of Reagan standing down the Soviets, his speechwriter told the story of how Reagan wanted to tell Gorby to tear down the Berlin Wall and his advisors told him not to do so and that part was even taken out of his speech, but Reagan insisted and so it was left in the speech and Reagan delivered that historic iconic statement to Berliners


Ronald Reagan would embarrass himself and the country by asking Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, which was going to be there for decades. So the National Security Council (NSC) staff and State Department had argued for many weeks to get Reagan's now famous line removed from his June 12, 1987, Berlin speech.


With a fervor and relentlessness I hadn't seen over the prior seven years even during disputes about "the ash-heap of history" or "evil empire," they kept up the pressure until the morning Reagan spoke the line. "Is that what I think it is?" I asked White House communications director Tom Griscom about a cable NSC Adviser Frank Carlucci had been nudging at us across the table during a White House senior staff meeting at the Cipriani Hotel in Venice. (Reagan had been attending a G-8 summit there and would shortly fly to the German capital.) With a shake of his head and a smile, Mr. Griscom confirmed the last-minute plea from State to drop the key sentence.


online.wsj.com...

This little drama over Reagan telling the Soviets to tear down the wall which represented the brutal and repressive regime of communism, represented confinement and death to those who tried to leave really shows how desperately the Shadow Govt wanted to control a non-submissive POTUS.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The standard of living in the Nordic social democracies are the highest in the world. That does not match your perception of reality so you dismiss it.

I did not defend any type of dictatorship and I have spent much time trying to explain to you that I am not a statist who supports "big" government. But you refuse to even try to understand, twisting definitions to suit your agenda.



You're full of it, plain and simple. You are misleading. I read up on that whole nordic thing, and they have resources which spurred growth. Wikipedia says that Nordic system has mixed economy. So, you see, what people are touting as the wonders of the welfare state actually have a mixed economy. As usual , socialists must misrepresent things in order to present their case to others.



According to wikipedia, in Denmark, private services account for two thirds of productivity, while welfare state services provide for a third.
They have socialist parties and conservative parties.
In the US, the Democrat Party has been becoming defacto socialist, although there are socialist, green, and communist parties here.
So, really, how would you know for sure whether any booming economy is due to socialist policies or if it is really capitalist venture with some socialism mixed in.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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Reagan, granted largest amnesty to illegals to date.
Raised taxes across the board like it was a bad habit.
Expanded government far beyond anything it had ever been before.

How does he help you or any Right winger make their case.

ETA: Was close friends with a Communist.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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You just will not understand, will you? Social Democracy is a form of mixed economy!
Modern social democrats favor a mixed economy.
Are you always like this? Unbelievable!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 
Ma'am, freedom means different things to different people.

For us, freedom means the freedom to make our own decisions, make our own future, make our own fortunes, make our own mistakes.

For many on this thread, freedom means freedom of decision making. Their Nationalsim/socialism would free them from having to make choices, it would free them from having to make decisions, it would free them from having to take responsibility.

We all see freedom differently.



At least you try to understand...

No Beezer, the goal on my part is to not have a country where I am fully dominated by
wealthy, private individuals and the systems they erect to retain more of the market place
for themselves. I see that extreme wealth comes with extreme power, (such as money dictating
the sources and quality of our news media, or wealth dictating the policies made by the government)
I enjoy having the government (people who understand my POV) act as a counter balance to that
inherent power. Because it is intended to represent me, in some small way, remember, I don't
have a news station, 100 lawyers and 50 lobbyist. I am not sure why the private economy and political
system should belong to the wealthy and their whims, which is what I perceive as being the
outcome of conservative policy put into practice..

FYI

I'm just telling you how I see it

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Reagan, granted largest amnesty to illegals to date.
Raised taxes across the board like it was a bad habit.
Expanded government far beyond anything it had ever been before.

How does he help you or any Right winger make their case.


That's what is interesting to me, you are telling the truth and people just look past
it. Sometimes I think conservative is actually more about identification than it is
a workable political practice. That WOULD explain the love for Reagan, despite
the fact he was a "liberal" or "non conservative" in practice
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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1 .This is not a State's rights issue so just quit right there!
2. This is not a liberal or socialist agenda, this is an American agenda!
3. 100 years ago both parties were switched in polarity as they are now, The Democrats were in lock step with corporations while Republicans were in lock step with the people and 220 years ago were 2 sides of the same party fighting the Whigs and The Federalists! Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican when he gave the New Nationalism speech and guess what, the entire nation loved him for it! He was one of our last real POTUS' before this era of corruption that's we've been under roughly since!
4. Chopping Govt down is never an answer then it allows a corporation to have way too much influence in how we all live. Do you really want Nike dictating where you can get your scrips from? The reason why it was never declared in the original (1789) version was that the threat of a corporatacracy was not even a possibility back then but never placed bans or restrictions on Govt to move on such if a need were to ever arise in the future.
5. 4 more cabinet positions are coming, one that will present itself shortly.

You are living in dreamland my friend, learn about American history before you try to say another thing again so that you could at least presume to be "informed'!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

This is a blatant effort to undermine the U.S. government, in complete ignorance of the U.S. constitution. It is clear that the republicans in congress are doing everything in their power to prevent the U.S. government from doing what it is supposed to do, and that is protect the rights of U.S. citizens.



Fed government should protect our rights... not take them away and make us sheep as Obama's government would like.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Mas,

Notice how me, you, lrak, Alger have been hitting back on like 3 people and am defeating them at every single turn and corner to the point whereas they are having to rehash the same crud because we've shot down every other item to date.

This is known as outmanuevering your target, they obviously aren't military target but you know what I mean!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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Are you going to seriously sit there and tell me that you wholeheartedly believe in your honest heart of hearts that Obama and Co are the originators of this concoction? You have got to be kidding me if you seriously believe that and if you do you are more gullible then I'd ever seen as this plan decades to centuries in the making is a plan by The SCUM to kill representative Govt internationally and replace it with an oligarchical dictatorship ran exclusively by them and no one else.

That is who is behind it. Do a little research and find out who exactly is pushing this plan, then go back like 4 different employers and compare the companies to The SCUM's companies and you will see who's agenda this really is.

Him and his entire cabinet are nothing but puppets!

Govt needs to be able to protect us from being forced to buy a product that will willingly and knowingly cause us harm, prevent an even larger entity from being allowed to drown us out. That would be being forced to shave your face with a blowtorch!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Mas,

Notice how me, you, lrak, Alger have been hitting back on like 3 people and am defeating them at every single turn and corner to the point whereas they are having to rehash the same crud because we've shot down every other item to date.

This is known as outmanuevering your target, they obviously aren't military target but you know what I mean!



All I know is what it feels like to bring a bag full of reason, to square off against a nemesis packing a
bazooka filled with Bullsheet.

I notice that we are fairly consistent, while our friends have 250 different cracks they slither into
once they get called out of the last one. It is like gorilla warfare waged with props and theater...

I would LOVE to make a mockumentary about what we do here, it is half way nuts...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Screw the mockumentary, this could be a comedy but the only downside would be to be delegated to the Snday 4am time slot that's notorious for having the lowest veiwership of any other time clock throughout the week as most have either just passed out or are about to which means we'd have dismal ratings at best! LOL!
!
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Are you going to seriously sit there and tell me that you wholeheartedly believe in your honest heart of hearts that Obama and Co are the originators of this concoction? You have got to be kidding me if you seriously believe that and if you do you are more gullible then I'd ever seen as this plan decades to centuries in the making is a plan by The SCUM to kill representative Govt internationally and replace it with an oligarchical dictatorship ran exclusively by them and no one else.

That is who is behind it. Do a little research and find out who exactly is pushing this plan, then go back like 4 different employers and compare the companies to The SCUM's companies and you will see who's agenda this really is.

Him and his entire cabinet are nothing but puppets!

Govt needs to be able to protect us from being forced to buy a product that will willingly and knowingly cause us harm, prevent an even larger entity from being allowed to drown us out.[



In a basic talk I see Obama as a socialist with all the agendas of a socialist. No I don't see Obama as an originator, I see his whole political life orchestrated by people who want us to be a pure socialist government with them in charge of course.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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You do realize that like The Congress, all State Congress', all Governorships, that POTUS and VPOTUS are "bought and paid" right?

With giving you the benefit of doubt here, If you've ever taken care of either a kid or a growing parent that is socialism as you must do for them. We are not asking for Govt to hold our hands throughout all of life's ups and downs but ask Govt to be there to ensure that things like Social Security can be there for when we all need it, be there to make sure that the meds and food we give to our families is healthy and safe and will only do what the package says it will do, make sure our kids can have a spot to go to school as a basic education is a fundamental human right and is a requirement in all 1st world nations. We ask that if you have contributed to taxpaying that if you can't work because of say, a car accident or a home accident that a cheque in some amount will be at your doorstep once a week until you return to work, we ask to have sanitary and safe work conditions, safe transportation methods, to ensure that we are not being gouged and that all companies are playing fair and by the rules!

This is not socialism but HUMANISM!
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