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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Leave it up to people like the unamed poster I'm going back and forth with and there will be no change and just more of the same which is clearly not an option.




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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No, more of the same isn't an option. Maintaining the status quo is what got us into this mess in the first place. ...and not just here in the States, either. Chickens are coming home to roost all over the place.

We may not agree on the particulars...and I suspect we won't on many issues. But on this we are agreed...the same ol', same ol', just doesn't work any more.

I'm not that unnamed one, am I?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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No you are not! We are good!

I wish more people would just abandon the talking points and the corrupt political parties on all sides because for us to begin this new era of Reconstruction we must abandon ideals and ideaologies that clearly do not work for anyone.

This new Era of Nationalism is something you can most definitely agree that we do need! Without some new radical idea and plan we are sunk! Couple this with the nationalization of The Federal Reserve in a mere 55 weeks will be the first steps in getting our monetary, financial, political house in order!

Our nation is bleeding now and does not need anyone stabbing her more. What we need is for everyone to come united under the banner of The United States Of America for our nation and for outsiders to unify under their national banner because this infighting is costing us everything but playing right into the hands of those we stand firmly against!

Thank you for not mod'ing me on this thread as the way I need to present things may be a little harsh but reality is that someone needs to tell it like it really is and am known for my blunt and brutal honesty!
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Preaching to the choir, my friend. Time and past for people, you and I included, to look past affiliation and work for the benefit of as many as humanly possible...

Sooner begun, the sooner things begin to get better.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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True, very true my friend! Star for you!



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by poet1bYou need to wake up to the reality that there are power struggles at the upper echelon.


LOL! Yeah ok pal, whatever you say. I am aware of alot, I can assure you of that. You however are still an infant when it comes to understanding the World of politics because you're still playing their game just as they intend you to do. Keep the sheople herded and squabbling with eachother over left vs right while the masters of puppets slowly over time strip them both clean of their wool (Liberties). Real eyes realize lies. ~SheopleNation



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Still trying to connect this push for new nationalism to socialism and communism but remain silent on the corporatocracy, the oligarchy and the banking dictatorship that's been running things?

So,socialism is evil while dictatoships of the corporations and banks is completely ok? Get lost and get off this site you Anti American troll! (I will not post what I truly want to out of a fear of being moderated as you clearly are an idiot)!
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One of the rudest things I've seen on this forum, and also one of the most misguided statements I've ever read in my life.
I don't understand why you are so into expanding the role of govt in our lives. You insist it is govt which protects our liberties, and yet every day on ATS we see all these new pieces of Draconian legislation pillaging our liberties and our free expression. There is such a thing as abuse of govt. The people at the top do not care about you or your family. This is why people called Obamacare for what it is, Draconian control over our health care with Statist plan for de-population.
I am going to have to bring back the classic Reagan statement,

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)


www.quotationspage.com...
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Very good point my friend. I have came to the same realization after many years of blind Patriotism. I love my country and would die to defend it, but we humans need to start thinking about how everyone can have the chance to be happy and have a good life. No I am not talking Socialism either, nor any kind of nanny state or Earth. Not even some New World order. It's this simple in my opinion really, no child should go hungry on this planet that has so much food and so much waste. ~SheopleNation



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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You are dealing with mostly southern people who have not reseched, they vote just like dear old daddy did without reach.............not knowing that of the two parties (both corrupt) the Democrats are more in line with the common working person vs the elite Republicans.

But you can't reason or tell a southerner anything, they know it all and are mostly of a closed mind and proud heart.

Personally, it wouldn't be a bad idea to throw the whole lot of DC out and start new.

We need some real change where in our reps aren't "bought out" by the corporations.............read my location.
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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The only who is misguided is you. Socialism is not the expansion of the Government.
It is the democratization of the means of production. The large government welfare states you see in Europe are examples of Social Democracy not Socialism - there is a big difference.

Best of all, you end with a quote of Reagan, the man who launched covert wars in South America to overthrow democratically elected leaders, singlehandedly accelerated the Cold War and massively increased government spending on useless weapons.

Well done, freedom loving conservative!



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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I remember you.

Just your join date is indicative of who you are and your socialist liberal Democrat agenda.

It is about time you all came out of your closets and started the propaganda machine back up.

So once more here we go again......



None of the issues you speak of are guaranteed in the Constitution.

States do have their own rights.

There are to many cabinet positions and some could and should be abolished.

The federal government and those life long politicians of both parties at that level has gotten out of control.




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The only who is misguided is you. Socialism is not the expansion of the Government.
It is the democratization of the means of production. The large government welfare states you see in Europe are examples of Social Democracy not Socialism - there is a big difference.

Best of all, you end with a quote of Reagan, the man who launched covert wars in South America to overthrow democratically elected leaders, singlehandedly accelerated the Cold War and massively increased government spending on useless weapons.

Well done, freedom loving conservative!


You know what, it is useless talking to people who say things like this and do not understand the principles. You are either in denial or you don't understand socialism.
Reagan was the best President we have had since JFK. That's a fact. The rest have been CFR or TC or Skull and Bones. There were a lot of CFR around Reagan. Reagan still stood down the Soviet Union. With friends like Bush Jr and Sr, who needs enemies. The Shadow Govt launches covert wars and forgets to tell the President. That is likely true of even Obama whom I dislike more than any of all the ratfink Presidents who have gone before him.
With your assertion that Reagan "accelerated" the Cold War, that tells me that you do not know anything about the Cold War, and you do not know what happened in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Either that or you have chosen to ignore the truth of history or you were fed some alternate revisionist history in high school, or you live somewhere other than the US and simply don't know.
Yes, yes I AM a Freedom Loving Conservative, a true PATRIOT and someone who loves Liberty. You can have all the fake economic justice and equality your Socialist Master Soros can throw at you but please leave my country out of it.
I am just sick and tired of all the useless ranting and demands for direct democracy this and social justice that. We already have the best govt that has existed since Atlantis and now all the socialist entitlement whiners want to rewrite the Constitution to suit their dreams of a proletariat dictatorship revolution.
Any true Justice will come from the hand of the Divine and it will come to you in the most unexpected ways, regardless of the systems of man.

Social Democracy is socialism, it's just a pretty term for it, like how Liberals realized liberal got a bad name so they changed it to Progressives. Even Hillary said she's not a liberal she's a Progressive. Remember that? It's all the same communist dictatorship garbage.
Anyone who knows about socialism knows that it is a bridge to communism. Marx said it, Lenin said it. CPUSA says it.
Time to stop projecting your errors onto others.
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by DrNotforhire
I can't wait to vote obama out that's all imma say..



Turning 18 is going to be a big let down for you then.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
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The only who is misguided is you. Socialism is not the expansion of the Government.
It is the democratization of the means of production. The large government welfare states you see in Europe are examples of Social Democracy not Socialism - there is a big difference.

Best of all, you end with a quote of Reagan, the man who launched covert wars in South America to overthrow democratically elected leaders, singlehandedly accelerated the Cold War and massively increased government spending on useless weapons.

Well done, freedom loving conservative!



Here is a wikipedia quote on Social Democracy so if you would like to find an alternative definition, knock yourself out bud.


Social democracy is a political ideology of the center-left on the political spectrum. It is officially a form of democratic evolutionary reformist socialism[1] that supports class collaboration as the course to achieve socialism.[2] Social democracy relies on the use of the democratic process to achieve its aims as opposed to revolutionary means.[3] Since the rise in popularity of the New Right and neoliberalism, a number of prominent modern social democratic parties have abandoned the goal of the gradual evolution of capitalism to socialism and instead support welfare state capitalism.[


en.wikipedia.org...


The key here is that these types of socialists know that they eat the seed corn and produce nothing of their own and NEED Capital to keep their programs going.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Of course, nothing was ever Saint Reagan's fault. His role in overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America and role in the running deficits with military spending is well known, except to those such as yourself who don't like reality.

You are the only one who is whining - best government since Atlantis, Socialist Master Soros, justice from the hands of the Divine... What a load of incoherent, irrelevant rubbish!

You are the also the only person who repeatedly brings up the dictatorship pf the proletariat, not me.
Continue hiding behind patriotism and religion.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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From the link you gave:


Since the rise in popularity of the New Right and neoliberalism, a number of prominent modern social democratic parties have abandoned the goal of the gradual evolution of capitalism to socialism and instead support welfare state capitalism.


You just strengthened my argument.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


From the link you gave:


Since the rise in popularity of the New Right and neoliberalism, a number of prominent modern social democratic parties have abandoned the goal of the gradual evolution of capitalism to socialism and instead support welfare state capitalism.


You just strengthened my argument.



mmhmmm welfare state capitalism, because they know they cannot subsist without those who pay their way. How much more obvious can it get. Socialism cannot exist without money from Capitalism to prop them up. Once you people destroy the Capital, the businesses which feed you, you perish. How can you survive without sticking it to the rich guy?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The only who is misguided is you. Socialism is not the expansion of the Government.
It is the democratization of the means of production. The large government welfare states you see in Europe are examples of Social Democracy not Socialism - there is a big difference.

Best of all, you end with a quote of Reagan, the man who launched covert wars in South America to overthrow democratically elected leaders, singlehandedly accelerated the Cold War and massively increased government spending on useless weapons.

Well done, freedom loving conservative!



Here is a wikipedia quote on Social Democracy so if you would like to find an alternative definition, knock yourself out bud.


Social democracy is a political ideology of the center-left on the political spectrum. It is officially a form of democratic evolutionary reformist socialism[1] that supports class collaboration as the course to achieve socialism.[2] Social democracy relies on the use of the democratic process to achieve its aims as opposed to revolutionary means.[3] Since the rise in popularity of the New Right and neoliberalism, a number of prominent modern social democratic parties have abandoned the goal of the gradual evolution of capitalism to socialism and instead support welfare state capitalism.[


en.wikipedia.org...


The key here is that these types of socialists know that they eat the seed corn and produce nothing of their own and NEED Capital to keep their programs going.


Are you ever going to tell me when and where this communist revolution is going to happen?

I have asked over 20 times now, so it seems to me that you are just lying or feigning an argument
for argument's sake.

You also didn't explain why many lefty presidents and politicians opposed communism and
started wars to slow or halt communist expansion... Anything north of retarded logic would
assume that the alleged communists in Americans politics wouldn't have attacked and fought
so bitterly with their communist brethren.

So I wonder why would the secret American Communist cabal, destroy communism
if they are trying to institute it? Using the word retarded here, because it is extremely
diminished logically speaking, I don't know know what else to call it.

It may sound like my points are first grade level points, but in the end they are derived from
your assertions.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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Of course, nothing was ever Saint Reagan's fault. His role in overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America and role in the running deficits with military spending is well known, except to those such as yourself who don't like reality.

You are the only one who is whining - best government since Atlantis, Socialist Master Soros, justice from the hands of the Divine... What a load of incoherent, irrelevant rubbish!

You are the also the only person who repeatedly brings up the dictatorship pf the proletariat, not me.
Continue hiding behind patriotism and religion.



Yes I brought it up as a matter of fact from Marx and Lenin's own writings. Please would you do some reading on your own so that you understand these things. I do not have to hide at all. I speak very plainly and from the heart and armed with knowledge.

Again you are blaming Reagan for things the CFR were running, but I bet you will defend Obama to the hilt and say that nothing is his fault. I, on the other hand, am aware that no matter who is in office, the Shadow Govt will continue to operate, it is just a matter of how much they can manipulate their host.
By the way, I did not call Reagan a Saint, I said he was the best President since JFK. You are the one making the Saint characterization. I wonder if you think Obama is the Messiah as well.

Since you have so much hatred for Reagan, even the liberally minded wikipedia has this to say about him which I will post just to get your goad


While the damaging Iran-Contra affair engulfed several Reagan aides during his second term, Reagan himself left office with a 63 percent approval rating, one of the higher approval ratings of departing presidents. After years of unstinting praise from the right, and unrelenting criticism from the left, historian David Henry finds that by 2009 a consensus had emerged among scholars that Reagan revived conservatism and turned the nation to the right by demonstrating a "pragmatic conservatism" that promoted ideology within the constraints imposed by the divided political system. Furthermore, says Henry, the consensus viewpoint agrees that he revived faith in the presidency and American self-confidence, and contributed critically to ending the Cold War.[2]


en.wikipedia.org...


When you accuse Reagan of overthrowing "democratically elected" leaders, you must be referring to those of the socialist bent, and since we were in the Cold War with the mother of all communist/socialist regimes, you would have to follow that line of reasoning as to why he was doing what he was doing.
Communism is the worst, most despotic type of tyrannical govt. Since socialism is just the bridge to communism, and Marx and Lenin both said that there must needs be a dictatorship of the proletariat and revolution first to get what they want, it is easy to see how that edict was fulfilled by Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao, while HItler did it for National Socialism.


If you want a bit of truth, try this on for size
thecontainmentpolicy.weebly.com...

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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Republicans alone? It's more like a contest between the democrats and the republicans to see who's the biggest traitor. And every time, they surprise each other (and the American people) with new levels of treasonous bills and statements.

Like this from Obama :
Section targeting American citizens in S.1867/NDAA was put there by Obama



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