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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Modify stance :

"This is exactly what corporations do to the American worker, since the regulation over American workers "

to :
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This is exactly what corporations do to the American worker, since the regulation over corporations"

Because corporations get your money to cost you your job, how is that right? That would be like me using your own fist to assault you. An oxymoron if you ask me.




posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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And you don't think that Wall Street got out of hand over the last ten/fourteen years?

You don't think the huge debt ran up while Repubs controlled Washington has gotten out of hand?

The only people spewing socialist crap are RP supporters who also spew free market crap. Ignorance begetting ignorance begetting ignorance.

Everyone of you RP supporters come on here with the same arrogance repeating the same nonsense.

Any effort to curb white collar crime or give small businesses or working people a tax cut is socialism according to you people.

While you bash Obama with the most absurdly ridiculous attack, you start talking about not being partisan when people point out how bad the current repub's in congress are.

Then when proven what nonsense this propaganda is, the final argument is that the system can't be beat, and government can't be used to combat white collar crime.

In every instance history proves you wrong, and you can find all this information in the thread if you care to look.

Maybe you might try discussing the points brought up in the op.

To the guy talking about, we already have a Consumer Protection Agency, yeah, we know that, repubs refuse to allow a Director to be appointed. Please read article or do some of you own research before spewing out more mindless crap.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


There cannot be a socialist country. Socialism is internationalist in scope.
Please read up on why Hitler added the words 'National Socialist' to his party's name.

Take a look at the Paris Commune of 1871 or Anarchist Catalonia. Those were examples of workers self-management, where the means of productions were democratically owned. Both were brutally crushed.


There is National Socialism(as in Hitler and Mussolini) and International Socialism. You should learn what you are talking about.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
Socialism does not mean big government or tyranny,






Give me an example--a TRUE example--of a nontyrannical case of socialism

that was NOT a homogeneous religious community

and that lasted more than a few months or a few years.

Actually, I don't know of a single such case that ever even existed at all.

Some might argue that the Kibbutzum in Israel might qualify. I contend that they have a rather homogeneous religious/ethnic substrate regardless of the percentage of atheists/agnostics in them.

What rubberized history have you been reading?



it is simply


There is NOTHING simple about 'socialism' . . . except, perhaps . . . the simplistic utter fantasies some historically grossly unaware simpletons seem to concoct about it on a shockingly frequent basis.



Tyrants always rise to the top of a socialism structure--usually from the beginning.




the working class controlling the means of production in order to produce for social need, not profit.


Where did your Marxist brainwashing occur?

I didn't think anyone believed that swill any longer. Certainly no one in China with any respect of the common people believe that any longer. How many Soviets do you think believe that? Cubans? Venezuelans?

The 'working class' doesn't have a chance in socialism. The tyrants from the beginning treat the workers as slaves. Command decisions are made at the top. Even 'group process' is carefully structured and directed by THE MARXIST BOSSES. Have you really studied NO history but the Marxist fantasies?



The State does not exist.




Ohhhhhhhhhhh THAT'S RICH! Public education strikes again!

PLEASE cite a single example of a case of the least bit of an enduring socialist nation without a State!

Evidently the public education system has fallen wholesale down Alice's rabbit hole.

I'm shocked that folks who believe this are navigating our streets and sidewalks.

Incredible.


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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Thanks for picking this up. I get tired of straightening out these off topic posts.

I would think that after being proven wrong so many times, if they really cared about the U.S. of A., they would start to engage their brains and face the cold reality that they have been fed a whole bunch of lies.

After 10 to 14 years of rampant white collar crime, everyone should be concerned that along straight party lines, the repubs are doing everything they can to prevent the Obama admin from going after the crooks.

It's pretty straight forward.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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What tax cuts are going to small businesses and middle class under Obama socialism? All that Democrat nonsense about tax cuts for the wealthy is nothing but class warfare which is based in Marxist philosophy. The rich already pay more than their share while certain people work the system for all they can get for free. Small Businesses pay more than their share for sure, and under Obama socialism they would pay more but for the Tea Party Republicans saying NO! Obama simply grudgingly had to go along with continuing Bush tax cuts, but he wants very badly to raise taxes on everyone. He just markets higher taxes to his socialist base who think that the bourgeois Capitalists are pigs and the OWS crowd who are part of his base are demanding direct democracy and the ending of Capitalism for him so his hands don't get too dirty.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Give me an example--a TRUE example--of a "free market economy"

that was NOT a homogeneous religious community

and that lasted more than a few months or a few years.

Actually, I don't know of a single such case that ever even existed at all.


Oh, by the way, haven't you same people been claiming that the U.S. has been socialist since FDR and that Europe is socialist?



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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I hope you like your freedoms because continue the private control of The Federal Reserve and there's nothing stopping them from sending us all into FEMA camps and when that occurs I don't want to hear a single peep from you because without a nationalized monetary system we are time and time again answering to the following :

1. The Rothschilds of London and Berlin;
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris;
3. Israel Moses Seif of Italy;
4. Kuhn Loeb and Warburg of Germany;
5. Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs;
6. The Rothschild-controlled Rockefeller interests of New York.

So, keep on making these douchebags and azzhats filthy rich is the only way to ensure freedom?

I've been pushing for a nationalized monetary system since 2004! Everything that has been happening as of late is no coincidence I can assure you this, this is a well planned, well plotted plan to bring forth the end of private control over our money, our nation, our Government, our future and to restore the central bank to it's rightful place as being a 1,000% owned, operated, financed, controlled entity of The United States Of America because until we get that in order there ain't no amount of money that can stop them. $16.6 Trillion was just the beginning if we do nothing now.

12.23.1913 - 01.01.2013! Tick Tock, Tick Tock! Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

It is happening, it is here, it is now. The time for debate and discussion is over and there can only be action. Nothing else matters but this. They have been at the centre core and the sole architect of every single major financial crisis since the late 1700's, they are solely responsible for Lincoln, McKinley, JFK and attempted assassinations on nearly 2 dozen other POTUS', solely behind 9/11, Waco, 1993 WTC, 1995 Oaklahoma City Bombing! Now, how will they just walk away, unless they want this giant awaken even more so then it is now that answer you will just have to wait as when we feel the time is right will be exposed! Besides, getting loans from them comes with way too many strings, if you thought that the regulations over US companies were anything you ain't seen noting yet! Trust on this!

Modern Russia is debt free from The SCUM yet they are still a democracy who recently regained control over their central bank by doing so!

They remain under suspicion for involvement in the attack on Pearl Harbor!
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by LiberLegit
 


And you don't think that Wall Street got out of hand over the last ten/fourteen years?

You don't think the huge debt ran up while Repubs controlled Washington has gotten out of hand?


Incredible. I'm beginning to think you actually believe this nonsense!

The traitorous Marxist Kenyan's puppet master blokes set the whole economic collapse up in order to make it easier to establish the global currency and global government on the ashes of the USA.

The Marxist Kenyan was taught to be a very effective DESTROYER-IN-CHIEF and he's been doing a great job of it--between golfing and vacations, that is.

The Marxist Kenyan has run up more debt in his few years than a list of Presidents put together. Are you really UNAWARE OF THAT???

The Marxist globalist bosses don't care about the debt and the little people. THEY ARE DELIBERATELY CRASHING THE WHOLE SHEBANG! And the Marxist Kenyan is their point man in achieving the utter destruction of the USA as we have known it, if not almost totally.

They are an elite. They will rule a bastardized form of Marxism wedded to a monopolistic bastardized form of capitalism. There's not a blessed thing you can do about it.

IT WILL HAPPEN.

The Bible is fairly clear about the globalist government in this era that saw Israel become a nation again in a day.

The details of the global government being a combo of twisted Marxism plus twisted capitalism has come out in the last few decades in the globalists own words. They are well on their way to achieving it.

Folks like you are a great help to them.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by poet1b
 


What tax cuts are going to small businesses and middle class under Obama socialism? All that Democrat nonsense about tax cuts for the wealthy is nothing but class warfare which is based in Marxist philosophy. The rich already pay more than their share while certain people work the system for all they can get for free. Small Businesses pay more than their share for sure, and under Obama socialism they would pay more but for the Tea Party Republicans saying NO!


No... sorry, the tax cuts for the Wealthy were initiated by George W. which was based upon
Reagan trickle down philosophy, which doesn't work. All it does is make billionaires richer
and everyone else poorer, which is exactly what is happening... Ronald Reagan has raised
taxes more than Obama, prove me wrong...



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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From the Encyclopædia Britannica (www.britannica.com...):

"The [Nazi] party’s socialist orientation was basically a demagogic gambit designed to attract support from the working class."

Corporations reigned supreme during Hitlers regime. Unions were destroyed and workers were increasingly exploited.
When Hitler came into power, he banned the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) within a few weeks and later on banned the Communist Party of Germany (KPD).
He was some socialist wasn't he?

Once again, you display your ignorance regarding the subject you deride so much.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Oh Lord 3rd eye, how can you not know this?

www.tampabay.com...


Unless it breaks the partisan gridlock, Congress is poised to hand middle-class Americans a bigger tax bill next year. If the payroll tax holiday is not renewed by the end of the year, taxes on the average American family would go up by about $1,000, endangering the nation's fragile economic growth. But even as the clock ticks down, congressional Republicans refuse to entertain the Democrats' reasonable proposal that the tax cut be paid for through a small income surtax on millionaires.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by BO XIAN
 


Give me an example--a TRUE example--of a "free market economy"

that was NOT a homogeneous religious community

and that lasted more than a few months or a few years.

Actually, I don't know of a single such case that ever even existed at all.


Oh, by the way, haven't you same people been claiming that the U.S. has been socialist since FDR and that Europe is socialist?


I agree let's see what economy we are talking about here.

I am thinking Somalia, how about you Poet?



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Certainly the USA's form of taxation and governmental controls have been increasing in

socialist features

for many decades.

Nevertheless, we are still a far cry from what most folks consider structured socialism as a form of the social contract.

Nice dodge by the way.

Evidently you cannot think of a single case either.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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No, I want to END the Fed and you want to continue it and make it even more Statist by nationalizing it, which means you advocate communism.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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The very first people Hitler took out were the Union leaders.

That is how evil operates.

That is the very reason Bush family and cohorts financially backed Hitler in the first place.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Take a look at the Paris Commune of 1871 or Anarchist Catalonia. Those were examples of workers self-management, where the means of productions were democratically owned. Both were brutally crushed.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by LiberLegit
 


And you don't think that Wall Street got out of hand over the last ten/fourteen years?

You don't think the huge debt ran up while Repubs controlled Washington has gotten out of hand?


Incredible. I'm beginning to think you actually believe this nonsense!

The traitorous Marxist Kenyan's puppet master blokes set the whole economic collapse up in order to make it easier to establish the global currency and global government on the ashes of the USA.

The Marxist Kenyan was taught to be a very effective DESTROYER-IN-CHIEF and he's been doing a great job of it--between golfing and vacations, that is.

The Marxist Kenyan has run up more debt in his few years than a list of Presidents put together. Are you really UNAWARE OF THAT???

The Marxist globalist bosses don't care about the debt and the little people. THEY ARE DELIBERATELY CRASHING THE WHOLE SHEBANG! And the Marxist Kenyan is their point man in achieving the utter destruction of the USA as we have known it, if not almost totally.

They are an elite. They will rule a bastardized form of Marxism wedded to a monopolistic bastardized form of capitalism. There's not a blessed thing you can do about it.

IT WILL HAPPEN.

The Bible is fairly clear about the globalist government in this era that saw Israel become a nation again in a day.

The details of the global government being a combo of twisted Marxism plus twisted capitalism has come out in the last few decades in the globalists own words. They are well on their way to achieving it.

Folks like you are a great help to them.


So the people who want to halt and regulate Big Business are the ones helping Big Business?



My best friend use to do a pretty good impression of a moron.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if we have enough of a common vocabulary to have anything close to a dialogue.

I'm shocked at the lack of historic awareness on this thread.

And the DAFFYNITIONARY seems to be the only reference for word meanings for the socialists hereon.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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What the long range plan is to replace the current system yes but the first thing that needs to occur in achieving said goal is to take control of the current system now so that we can see what we will keep and what will be discarded as the new Central Bank Of The United States Of America under the control of The Department of The Treasury will look nothing like the Federal Reserve of today.

We need to take immediate control of the Mints, the printing press', the property, control over monetary policy, control of The Fed itself before we can restructure it as the next round of currency due in the 2014 - 2016 timeframe will have the phrase "Federal Reserve Note" currently on the top of the obverse plate will be deleted.

Since the United States Secret Service is wholly controlled by The Federal Reserve a long range plan is to remove the USSS from Fed and transfer it in a co-op between The NSA-DHS-DOJ/FBI and take The Federal Reserve and place it under the full control of The Dept Of Treasury while abolishing and dissolving the Board Of Governors and The Office of The Chairman and replace the Chairman with a Director and place a Deputy Director in charge of each of the 12 satellite offices of The Federal Reserve. This can be accomplished over a period of about 5 years. Transfer the counterfeiting wing of The USSS under a co-op between Treasury and DOJ!

Besides, too much and sudden action in any major shift in a single or small segment of time will send a shockwave that is yet unseen as Priority No. 1 shall during the transitional period is that you do not want to inadvertently tip or wind up unintentionally and accidentally tipping the ship as for this to work the ship must maintain being level at all times. Something as a sneeze is all it'll take to spiral the economy as look at what a perceived fear is doing to The Eurozone as we type, do you want to see that here? Personally I do not. Imagine dealing with something so delicate that constant care is required to maintain it. We've had a nationalized central bank on 3 different occasions and each of which saw the debt actually level off for awhile. In 10 years time the financial landscape is gonna look a helluva lot different then it does today! Every single protection cannot be undone and is permanent!
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