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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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You are mixing apples and oranges, to use Cain's term. What does free enterprise have to do with the Police State? I just can't believe this nonsense being spouted.
You say we have never had free enterprise, yet somehow it's responsible for a Police State. Do you even think through this stuff you post?
Totalitarianism is what creates the Police State. Have regulations, you must enforce them with ever more police.
Without the free market, there can be no real market controls. Everything then is controlled by a govt mechanism.
The baillouts represented govt controlling the market and not the market controls necessary for weeding out of corruption and bad business practices or just plain incompetence or market control of prices.




posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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This entire thread is filled with lies, half-truths, and biased opinions. The OP just wanted to start a troll thread. You can lobby for more rules, regulations, and bigger government if you want. The rest of us with a brain will fight tooth and nail to take back our country. I guess some people really buy into the two party system, even though it is a facade. Either that, or some people just like hand outs and being told what to do. As far as regulations go, most (if not all) of that stuff can be settled without the current regulations based on property rights, just as Ron Paul has mentioned before. Remember, possession is 9/10's of the law.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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In a couple of years though it's not going to matter because once we nationalize the Federal Reserve most of that any debt to them can be and will be wiped clean by an act of POTUS



Somehow I doubt this action will wipe the debt clean. Whatever in the world makes you think the bankers would allow that anyway? The govt overspent the money and the banks created it out of thin air.


Here is commentary from someone who went to an OWS rally


It’s not an overstatement to describe Zuccotti Park as New York’s Marxist epicenter. Flags with the iconic face of the Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara are everywhere; the only American flag I saw was hanging upside down. The “occupiers” openly refer to each other as “comrade,” and just about every piece of literature on offer (free or for sale) advocated socialism in the Marxist tradition as a cure-all for the inequalities of the American economic system.
Don’t try to explain to any of these protesters how those who sought to create a Marxist utopian dream of revolution also gave us the Stalinist purges, Mao’s bloody Cultural Revolution and many other efforts to collectivize thought in the name of economic “justice.”
One woman was holding a “Nationalize the Federal Reserve” sign; I tried to explain that the Fed is already nationalized, because it’s part of government, and she told me to “go check my f--king facts -- it’s privately owned.”
Also absent was any notice of how the much-hated banks benefited not from free-market capitalism, which would have let them fail in 2008, but from crony capitalism that bailed them out. The similar cronyism practiced by Trumka and the Obama administration -- massive spending on useless but politically connected businesses like Solyndra, paired with class-warfare rhetoric -- likewise has very little to do with free markets.

Read more: www.nypost.com...
Read more: www.nypost.com...




In fact, this move to nationalize the fed was predicted by WND when they took notice of CPUSA statements on Obama


President Obama is "considering" a radical agenda to nationalize the U.S. financial system, the Federal Reserve Bank, and private industries such as energy and other sectors whose future is "problematic" in private hands, claims the leader of the Communist Party USA.
In a major speech focused on Obama titled "Off and running: Opportunity of a lifetime," CPUSA leader Sam Webb also alleges Obama's administration is considering turning education, childcare, and health care into "no profit zones;" rerouting investment capital from military infrastructure to "green economy" projects and public infrastructure; and waging a "full scale" assault on global warming.
"We now have not simply a friend, but a people's advocate in the White House," declared Webb at a recent speech in Ohio for People's Weekly World Communist newspaper.

"An era of progressive change is within reach, no longer an idle dream. Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House," Webb proclaimed.


www.wnd.com...


Thus, it is easy to see that you and the OWS crowd are agitators for a communist economy under Obama.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Government regulating industry interferes in both my ability to operate industry successfully and my ability as a consumer to purchase goods and services which are the lowest cost, highest quality, and most competitive.

Regulation raises costs, decreases quality, and restricts liberty. Thats logic, its not flawed, its common sense.

Not to mention that for every aspect of my life the government regulates they gain further control over me. Thats not liberty.


So wait a second...

Do you SERIOUSLY THINK that the largest factor that increases costs, decreases quality, restricts liberty, and decreases competition is ANY regulation??

Do you SERIOUSLY THINK that there aren't perfectly natural MARKET FACTORS which contribute to increases in costs, decreases in quality, decreases in liberty (for anyone but large scale industry/business), and decreases in competition??

Do you SERIOUSLY THINK that INDUSTRY and BUSINESS should enjoy the same (or more) rights as human citizens?

If you answered yes to any of the above, then you are surely naive, brainwashed, and market-obsesses and need to truly take a step back from your willfully ignorant ideology.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Yepper, lies, half-truths, and biased opinions from people like you. You post with an avatar clearly showing your bias, and not even smart enough to remember you are posting as supposedly some moderate.

People like you, completely disillusioned, have fought tooth and nail to turn over all the power in the U.S. to the bankers. Clearly you are completely bipartisan, and Ron Paul represents foolish beliefs like you are currently expressing.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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This is a testament to your complete naivety.


What does free enterprise have to do with the Police State?


While you are lost in the dream world of the free market, like the communists, the people you support preaching free market economics have been busy building a police state.

And you completely ignore that republicans are doing everything in their power to prevent the Federal Government from protecting the rights of the people.

Maybe the real truth is that you are knowingly and willingly supporting this destruction of representative government.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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What really is the difference between liberals who continue supporting Obama (even though he is at best a moderate conservative) and these free market libertarians who deify Ron Paul.

Yeah thats right, just leave everything to the "free" market. It will magically sort everything out for it can do no wrong - if the market says so, it must be right.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Yepper, lies, half-truths, and biased opinions from people like you. You post with an avatar clearly showing your bias, and not even smart enough to remember you are posting as supposedly some moderate.

People like you, completely disillusioned, have fought tooth and nail to turn over all the power in the U.S. to the bankers. Clearly you are completely bipartisan, and Ron Paul represents foolish beliefs like you are currently expressing.


You can sit up on your democratic horse and play your "my team vs your team" primitive bull# until the military takes you away because under the NDAA you are not entitled to a trial. Its called tyranny. Its called divide and conquer. It happend in Germany. It happend in Britian. It happend in Egypt and Rome. Read a #ing history book. Tyranny is not a conspiracy theory its the norm for our species. Ron Paul is the only person on that stage that can turn us around but it will be people like you that bought into this democrat vs republic bull# that stops that from happening.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dilligaf28
I am rather curious as to where in the constitution the "rights of workers" are mentioned? I thought the Constitution limited the Federal Government to the powers inscribed in it. Since nothing about "workers rights" are mentioned in the Constitution why does the Federal Government have anything about "workers rights" within it? Thats a state's rights issue.

Republicans want the Government to exist as outlined within the Constitution. I didn't think that wanting a government that conformed to the expectations of the Founders was a bad thing?


The Constitution was written as a living document. Over time we have learned to be a little more civilized, though we still have to always keep working. Slavery, treating women and children as property with no protections was "normal" in late 18th century America. There are some who would really love to go back to "the good old days". We are supposed to learn from, not forget and improve upon the past. Not think of it in the context of some bizarre distorted delusion. Tell you what about the good old days, for 99.8% of the population the good old days sucked.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Democrats, Republicans,,,,they are one and the same! Washington D.C. is a two headed one party monster! We already have a consumer protection agency!! WTF do we need to spend another 300 million dollars to higher more government deadbeats for????



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by MrFGB
Democrat or Republican are both left of center. Center and right of center is where Dems and Repubs were in the 60's . American citizens don't have a chance. The Republicans don't get what they expect even when the vote for the most right wing candidate. Democrats are used by the Liberals as sheep to the slaughter. When we get a candidate that looks promising they can't be elected because all the Democrats and Republicans listen to the MSM and just say, "I don't want to vote for them because I don't want to waste my vote." Americans have the government that they deserve, nothing less. They voted these criminals into office after all.


The Republicans don't get what they expect even when the vote for the most right wing candidate. Democrats are used by the Liberals as sheep to the slaughter.

I greatly agree.

However, I don't think our votes have mattered much for decades.

I'm increasingly convinced that Jesse Ventura is right when he reports that the CIA told him that they have controlled SElections for a long time.

Sheep to the slaughter, indeed.

The elites see us all as slaves, sheeple, useless eaters to be exterminated genocidally in order to make their tyrannical global government easier and safer

FOR THEM.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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I'd say Obama is a classic liberal elite, which is just a different breed of conservative.

While there are many of Obama's ideals I disagree with, I think he still believes in representative government, and the principles of the U.S. Constitution.

At this point in time, I think the obvious goal of republicans is the destruction of representative government, and the total elimination of individual rights.

If you care about representative government, and future generations. then your goal these days should be to beat the republicans in the next election.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Oh did he believe in the constitution when he waged war on Libya? And before you tell me there werent boots on the ground, when has dropping bombs on another country not been considered an act of war? Because Obama made up the definition of war?! Did Obama respect the constitution when he killed anwar alalaki? Even though the constitution states that he is to be given a trial? What about his son that was completely innocent? Did Obama respect the constitution then?

Obama can and should be impeached. Not only should he be impeached but he should be thrown in prison for his war crimes. How dare you even attempt to defend such a criminal?! You're either not American or completely #ing ignorant on the laws of this land and the understanding of what it actually means to be an American or what we had to go through to even live on this soil. You are an embaresment to our country.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Yeah, like Obama really runs the military, and is directly giving hit orders.

Seriously, who do you think you are fooling.

If you were calling for the heads of all the military brass who supported this, you would have a moral leg to stand on, but you aren't. You asking for Obama's head, when the only thing he did, was give the nod to military people to do what they think is best.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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The Department of Labor does not protect anyone's liberties other than the freedom from being paid what you're worth. The implications of a heavily regulated labor market aren't obvious but ultimately it has a negative effect and the department should be abolished.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Of course, Bush and Reagan both respected the Constitution and International Law when they waged their illegal and covert wars didn't they? Not to mention, Regan and Bush were the great military Keynesian's, supporting big government spending on worthless weaponry, instead of actually helping people.

Conservatives seem to love their freedom and democracy, except when it's time to force it on everyone else with military force and regime changes abroad.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Your whole concept of the American political systems is flawed.

If you're still buying the whole Red vs Blue (Conservative vs Liberal) slop they're selling on your television set, then I truly feel sorry for you.

I dropped the whole Left Wing/Right Wing a long time ago. Get with the program. It was a two party system developed to make sure someone in-pocket always remains in control.

Could you imagine how hard it would be to make sure George Bush got elected if there were 5 parties to choose from. Surely you can't think that Obama is the best person to lead this country? Don't get me wrong. I dislike EVERY Republican with the exception of Ron Paul. If he doesn't get nominated, I'll vote for Obama again. Yes, I said again.

If you think that choosing the lesser of two evils ... election after election ... is the Democratic way to live "Free", then there doesn't seem to be much hope left for the United States of America.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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So you are another one who supports child labor?

There is no successful country on the planet that does not defend workers rights. You don't have a clue on what you are talking about.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by lrak2
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Of course, Bush and Reagan both respected the Constitution and International Law when they waged their illegal and covert wars didn't they? Not to mention, Regan and Bush were the great military Keynesian's, supporting big government spending on worthless weaponry, instead of actually helping people.

Conservatives seem to love their freedom and democracy, except when it's time to force it on everyone else with military force and regime changes abroad.


Im not republican you fool. Im a constitutionalist. Im an American. I dont care about this constant bickering over which party is wrong and which party is better. Obama should be sitting in prison for his war crimes right next to Bush Jr., Bush Sr., Karl Rove, etc. etc. Im not republican. Im not democrat. And when people like yourself can get over the primitive "my team is better than your team" mentality then maybe, just maybe, we wont have the issues we have.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Where did I call you a Republican? I made a general statement on conservatives.
You are the only person who repeatedly keeps on referring to Democrats and Republicans.



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