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Republicans continue on their quest to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Government regulating industry interferes in both my ability to operate industry successfully and my ability as a consumer to purchase goods and services which are the lowest cost, highest quality, and most competitive.

Regulation raises costs, decreases quality, and restricts liberty. Thats logic, its not flawed, its common sense.

Not to mention that for every aspect of my life the government regulates they gain further control over me. Thats not liberty.




posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Way to prove that you have nothing substantial to bring to this convo but the old "The Federal Govt is corrupt" line that is older then dirt and does nothing for anyone as the corporations have made Govt corrupt. Rather blame the victim then the perp because it's easier to do instead of looking at who is behind this mess! Wow!


SO let me get the straight.
The Govt is the victim?
Now I know you are a joke.

Right???


The Govt is corrupt. So lets give it more power and money.
An even bigger joke of a statement.

Next you will retort with being correct due to your high IQ.

Honestly.
Giving the Govt more money and power is giving the drunkard more booze and a vehicle to drive.

Your blind allegiance to Govt is funny.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Government regulating industry interferes in both my ability to operate industry successfully and my ability as a consumer to purchase goods and services which are the lowest cost, highest quality, and most competitive.

Regulation raises costs, decreases quality, and restricts liberty. Thats logic, its not flawed, its common sense.

Not to mention that for every aspect of my life the government regulates they gain further control over me. Thats not liberty.


But.....But....But, the Govt means well and is only here to protect you.......from yourself...



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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You are contradicting yourself whereas you want smaller Govt but allow Govt to regulate industry is seeking the opposite. Regulations over corporations do not restrict the liberty of the people as is and should be the only liberty that you are to defend, personal liberty exclusively limited to the people and no outside entity or corporation. Of course it's gonna raise costs which they pass right on to the consumer.

How is Govt being a broadsword over corporations restricting your individual liberty? You still haven't answered this q and continue to deflect because TV news hasn't instructed you on how to respond.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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My allegiance is forever sworn to The American people over the Govt! So, it's ok for Wall Street and The Federal Reserve to threaten the US if we dared retake control of our money and if we dared to regulate them?

Read this thread on ATS :
Racketeering 101: Bailed Out Banks Threaten Systemic Collapse If Fed Discloses Information,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You think that is right, that is the smaller Govt that every last one of y'all want! It will not ever happen!



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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I would have to agree. Newt may actually be a more dangerous globalist than both Bush and Obama.

Just confused as to why you think the Demlicans are any better than the Republicrats.












posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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All D - R - I - TP need to go and be replaced with no namers and do not replace a GOP with a Dem or vice versa, fire them all, fire all of the corrupt parties, send our message that way!

If 125 Million voted against the incumbents and the parties and put in new people that would rock the very foundation that all of these corrupt douchewads are sitting pretty on!
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I answered the question. My response is logical and rational. I am guessing that you seem to be a very illogical and irrational type of person that you are having a hard time figuring out how to fit logic and reason into your world view.

SInce you are having a hard time doing it you are probably disturbed by the fact of what I am saying. I cannot help you get past this. Perhaps historical study, legal review, and conversations with people that don't just sit around and agree with each other will help you.

I never contradicted myself. I don't think government should be regulating business and I think government should be small. Those two go hand in hand. Again if you cannot see that it is not my responsibility to help you.
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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My allegiance is forever sworn to The American people over the Govt! So, it's ok for Wall Street and The Federal Reserve to threaten the US if we dared retake control of our money and if we dared to regulate them?

Read this thread on ATS :
Racketeering 101: Bailed Out Banks Threaten Systemic Collapse If Fed Discloses Information,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You think that is right, that is the smaller Govt that every last one of y'all want! It will not ever happen!


Yeah, sure sure.
People want freedom from Govt control, yet you want more Govt control of what people do, like work.

Last I checked, the federal reserve is all part of the central planning crap Obama loves soooo much.
Smaller Govt does not interfere with private matters.
The Govt you love interferes when you are scared of something.
Again and as always. Fear like you who fear crap, want more protection.
Last time I checked, the only way to accomplish this is to hand over more control.

Seems like you are ok with the Govt controlling you and your actions, or you just don't know what can hurt you and what can't or who to deal with LIFE as a whole.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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The difference between you and me is that I state facts, back up my position with logic, and links and quotes that back up my facts.

You state things you claim are facts, provide no logic or reason, and no links or quotes to back up said claims.

You are the one who looks foolish.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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The only real thing in life government should protect us from is government (that and invasion). I've been trying for pages and pages to explain to the OP that the Constitution was written to restrict the federal government's scope and preserve the rights of the people against government intrusion or interference (aka protect us from Government).


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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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The U.S. Government, and our constitution, and core beliefs is what makes the U.S. successful. The U.S. Government has done an effective job of regulating our economy on a fairly consistent basis, the exception being when people foolishly choose to give giant corporations unlimited power.

That is the same successful formula for all first world nations.

Meanwhile the third world nations are ruled over by giant corporations and the super rich.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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You have not posted one single source or fact to back up your assertions that the Constitution is somehow something other than a document designed to restrict government and protect the citizens from government.

We the people created a government that would protect us from government. Its that simple. You claimed I was wrong but offered no source, no proof, or anything at all other than your opinion to the contrary.

Like I said, you have no idea how to carry on a rational logical point by point debate with someone.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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You are advocating for smaller Govt and that is clearly not an option but you sit here trying to justify wanting smaller Govt without factoring in that elements that did not exist or were not even conscionable back then.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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The only real thing in life government should protect us from is government


Wow, that is so lacking in logic, it is funny.

Why create Government in the first place?

Your beliefs ignores most of the U.S. Constitution, and the beliefs of the people who founded the U.S..



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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The only protections it offers the citizenery is the right to a jury trial, right to speech, rights from self incriminaiton, right of the writ of habeus corpeus!

Let's just end Govt so that it can get out of the way and leave everyone to do whatever the flip they want, return to the Wild West of the 1800's is what you are advocating.

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Establishing justice to the Founders did not mean redistribution of wealth, but setting up a court system over which the colonials presided and not the British monarchy. General welfare also did not mean redistribution of the wealth.
The socialists keep trying to rewrite history and the Constitution to make it be what they want.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Except all the quotes from the U.S. Constitution that proves you wrong, from the beginning, and other sources that you prove you wrong.

Anyone who cares to look through the thread will see that is true.


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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b

This is a blatant effort to undermine the U.S. government, in complete ignorance of the U.S. constitution. It is clear that the republicans in congress are doing everything in their power to prevent the U.S. government from doing what it is supposed to do, and that is protect the rights of U.S. citizens.

The Purpose of the U.S. Government, from the Declaration of Independence

www.archives.gov...


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


Per the US Constitution

www.archives.gov...


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Ah, but republicans want to shrink our government to the size where they can drown it in the bath water. They don't want the government to do its job of protecting out liberties. The want to abolish the Department of Labor that protects the rights of workers, and now that there has been a Department of Consumer Protection Bureau, republicans do everything in their power to prevent the agency from protecting the rights of consumers.

thinkprogress.org...


Senate Republicans today filibustered the nomination of former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray to be the first director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. For months, the GOP has been insisting that it would not confirm any director for the Bureau until the Bureau’s structure is changed so as to weaken it significantly.

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Senate Republicans have been raking in millions in donations from Wall Street banks as they’ve continued to block Cordray’s confirmation. In the meantime, the only agency meant explicitly to protect consumers from financial industry excess — and which already has extraordinary restraints placed upon it — isn’t allowed to get off the ground. (And, at the end of the day, doesn’t Hatch know that it’s the Congressional Budget Office that’s actually god on Capitol Hill?)



In the next year, a vote for a republican is a vote for International Corporate Bankers to control the U.S, and the world, where the U.S. people are expected to pay the cost of keeping the ICBers in power. How much more of our country and our economy must be destroyed before people wake up the the fact the the ICBs are out to destroy the U.S.A. They use our military to advance corporate interests around the globe, while refusing to protect our own borders. That people continue to support these crooks is beyond me.

The republicans are doing everything they can to turn control of the U.S. over to the ICBs.

When will people wake up to this reality?



I have been confering all day with a few people who want or desire to call themselves sovereigns, what in the fecking he11 are you whining about, who gives a rats behind if the U.S. goes under? IT IS A CORPORATION!!

The Constitution DOES NOT apply to the actual PEOPLE of the several states, the 50 union states of America that is. Yes, the Declaration of Independence IS what protects and DEFINES our sovereign rights as HUMAN BEINGS. But when you people, who do not understand the whole theater of government, whine about the republicans or democrats doing something....OMG I want to throttle you all. I am so sick and tired of you NOT understanding WHO you are or in fact WHAT you are.

Sovereign HUMAN BEINGS do not NEED GOVERNING!!!!! We are responsible individuals who together have the knowledge and ability to govern ourselves, WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT FOR ANYTHING!!! Government is a worthless idiotic idealogy that has burned out it's welcome.

Thank you very much now please go away.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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It is the republicans who support criminal actions through free market policies that legalize fraud that engage in redistribution of wealth and the creation of a new form of aristocracy.

How can you not see that reality?



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