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Somebody explain property tax and how it is American.

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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Text You admit you have an agenda. I know where the money is supposed to go, but at any level, local, regional, state wide or federal, the money just doesn't seem to end up there..... Does it? Meanwhile reality comes crashing in.


You need a reality check yourself.
And what is your agenda?
You really think money is well spent?
You are going to vote for Obama then?

And do you really need to be rude and condescending right off the bat?




posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Text Are you going to propose a solution or just Nit pick and point out your perceived flaws in the system?


how about you?



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Text Meanwhile reality comes crashing in. There are Firemen and Police just a phone call away if you ever needed them. The Roads and city parks [If not occupied and being ruined with Human Fecal matter by protesters] are for your enjoyment and pleasure.


Are you wearing an Obama t-shirt right now?

Do you have an Obama bumper sticker?

Do you own Obama commemorative collector plates?

Obama commemorative coins?
edit on 10-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Yeah....


In my opinion our present Chief Executive is only marginally better than the last one which isnt really saying much considering I didn't hold him very high at all either.

Nice try though



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Helious
Isn't that where state lottery revenue goes too as well? Our non-college schools? As well as a host of other taxes, fees and penalties to "schools"? I have that in parenthesis because they are less schools these days and more like training camps.


OK, First off...

Not every State can pay for it all with only "Lottery Proceeds" [Which having a State Lottery has helped offset the costs.

Secondly

"less schools these days and more like training camps"

Are you going to propose a solution or just Nit pick and point out your perceived flaws with the system?


County services? You mean like enlisting thousands of sheriffs to man the metal detectors and courtrooms jammed to the hilt of people who are herded in like sheep to answer for ridiculous crimes manufactured for the sole reason to generate revenue for the county?


Are you proposing MOB rule with no legal or justice system at all?
I agree there are some laws and regulations that should be done away with. Hopefully you'll do the right about thing as a Citizen and get a movement going [Instead of Nit picking online] and become a Civic activist so we can get some of the outdated and unnecessary laws changed and or amended.




You speak as if it matters, it does not. Your taxes will not be spent the way you wan't them to be, nor will the be spent the way the MAJORITY of Americans wish them to be and as a direct result of these facts,


And YOU speak for the Majority of us 310,000,000 Americans?


I don't concern myself with the logistics...


Nor concern yourself with reality and facts.


because even though I know exactly what they are it won't change how my taxes or anyone elses are spent and that brings me to the point of a rogue government, yet again.


So...

You admit you have an agenda.

What solutions are you providing us for these issues?


I know where the money is supposed to go, but at any level, local, regional, state wide or federal, the money just doesn't seem to end up there..... Does it?


Meanwhile reality comes crashing in.

There are Firemen and Police just a phone call away if you ever needed them. The Roads and city parks [If not occupied and being ruined with Human Fecal matter by protesters] are for your enjoyment and pleasure.


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Are you some kind of socialist? You are arent you.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Text Nice try though


back at you.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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You seem to have a real bug up your butt with my reply. Must have hit a nerve eh?

The OP gave his RANT. I asked for them to provide some solutions.

Is this not fair?



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Actually,I think I am confusing you with someone that calls Obama a socialist.

Mistaken identity maybe.

I am McCarthyist Resistance. Obama is no socialist.
edit on 10-12-2011 by theovermensch because: mistaken identity



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Property tax is not a tax, it is a lease payment. The land is owned by the queen, though a series of corporations. You can "own" the house itself and are free to take it anywhere you want - provided you pay the loan off, but the land is not yours. The Queen allows it land to be sub-sold, as long as the lease is paid, the queen does not care who is the occupying landlord - owner of record. The tax isn't used for fixing potholes and what not, that is simply a lie - that money comes from the taxes on activities and investments, bonds etc. The city is a corporation as well, that also pays a tribute to the queen. The income taxes do not pay for services and wars etc. but pays the money back to the Fed that it created in your name a birth. The money for wars comes from printing it, the Fed uses the US military as its policeman and pays for the services by printing money - devaluing its own currency. The cover story, everyone knows that a cover story is, is the basic premise that taxes are needed to provide you with services. This is a cover story, most taxes are tributes to the crown, you pay them money for letting you live.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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My explanation,
Nobody "owns" any property in the US, They rent it



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by theovermensch
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Text Meanwhile reality comes crashing in. There are Firemen and Police just a phone call away if you ever needed them. The Roads and city parks [If not occupied and being ruined with Human Fecal matter by protesters] are for your enjoyment and pleasure.


Are you wearing an Obama t-shirt right now?

Do you have an Obama bumper sticker?

Do you own Obama commemorative collector plates?

Obama commemorative coins?
edit on 10-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo


Slayer with an Obama shirt?



Oh,the horror!!!!!



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Solution.

End the IRS.

10 % National Sales Tax,not to be compared to a Flat"income"Tax

The Social Security program remains in place and unchanged.
The Medicare program remains in place and unchanged.
In fact all programs that you use and depend on remain in place and unchanged.
Food, rent and medicine are exempt from the 10% sales tax.

Retired people can work as much as they want and earn as much income as they want, and not have to worry about their Social Security checks being taxed or reduced in any way.
Retired people will not have to "hide" earned income anymore.
There will be no taxes on interest and dividends. You will get to keep all of your interest and dividend checks.
There will be no tax to pay on capital gains. If you sell property, stocks or other assets for more than you paid for them, you get to keep the full amount of the sale price.
There will be no inheritance tax. You can pass along your entire estate to your heir

Not my plan,but one I think could work....................









posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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if you cut the tax, tell us what service gets cut to balance the budget



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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America sucks. That's the only way to explain it. Here you can have unlimited freedom and rape and sodomize and torture but you've got to a billionaire. That is America...

We as Americans are nothing more than tracking cookies to corporations. They observe our purchasing trends and bait us with a culture of consumerism. Everyday the debt increase so taxes keep rising to a pay a debt that didn't even exist.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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When the Revolutionary War began, the colonies had well-developed tax systems that made a war against the world’s leading military power thinkable. The tax structure varied from colony to colony, but five kinds of taxes were widely used. Capitation (poll) taxes were levied at a fixed rate on all adult males and sometimes on slaves. Property taxes were usually specific taxes levied at fixed rates on enumerated items, but sometimes items were taxed according to value. Faculty taxes were levied on the faculty or earning capacity of persons following certain trades or having certain skills. Tariffs (imposts) were levied on goods imported or exported and excises were levied on consumption goods, especially liquor.

eh.net...


seems to be as american as apple pie, and also seems to have played a major part in our freedom from the british empire!!

now, mortgages, the idea that we will pay for our homes till the day we die and still own in the end because we are paying just as much in interest as the home, well....
well, I think that is a little newer a developement and well, not as american come to think of it...
most people "buy" as house seeing as a stepping stone, they never expect to live in it till it's paid off to begin with. they will want to upgrade to a larger home, or downgrade as the kids leave the nest for a smaller one. they are basically renting for a time, ya they will build a little equity in it, but you got to remember, you are paying about the same amount in interest over the life of the loan as you are paying for the home. so well....might they just be better off to rent?? outside of course of one small little tidbit...
you gain more freedom as to what you can do with your home, and while you are in your home if you are paying on the mortgage and not the home. you are paying for your freedom!!!

in earlier times, your could travel to the frontier, be given the land and have a house built with very little if any debt, you actually owned your home!! with a clear and clean deed (as long as you could protect yourself from the indians that really owned the land!! and if you didn't want to mess with being scalped and such, there was still a pretty good chance that you could obtain a piece of land in the more developed areas of the country without going massively into debt!!

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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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Its because, when people buy a home, they forgot to buy the land that the home sits on. So the property tax is more like paying lot rent for your home to sit there.

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ALLODIUM estates. Signifies an absolute estate of inheritance, in coutradistinction to a feud.

2. In this country the title to land is essentially allodial, and every tenant in fee simple has an absolute and perfect title, yet in technical language his estate is called an estate in fee simple, and the tenure free and common socage. 3 Kent, Com. 390; Cruise, Prel. Dis. c. 1, 13; 2 Bl. Com. 45. For the etymology of this word, vide 3 Kent Com. 398 note; 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1692.


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FEE, FEODUM or FEUDUM, estates. From the French, fief. A fee is an estate which may continue forever. The word fee is explained to signify that the land, or other subject of property, belongs to its owner, and is transmissible, in the case of an individual, to those whom the law appoints to succeed him, under the appellation of heirs; and in the case of corporate bodies, to those who are to take on themselves the corporate function; and from the manner in which the body is to be continued, are denominated successors. 1 Co. Litt. 1, 271, b; Wright's Ten. 147, 150; 2 Bl. Com. 104. 106; Bouv. Inst. Index h. t.

2. Estates in fee are of several sorts, and have different denominations, according to their several natures and respective qualities. They 'may with propriety be divided into, 1. Fees simple. 2 . Fees determinable. 3. Fees qualified. 4. Fees conditional and 5. Fees tail.

3. - 1. A fee simple is an estate inlands or tenements which, in reference to the ownership of individuals, is not restrained to any heirs in particular, nor subject to any condition or collateral determination except the laws of escheat and the canons of descent, by which it may, be qualified, abridged or defeated. In other words, an estate in fee simple absolute, is an estate limited to a person and his heirs general or indefinite. Watk. Prin. Con. 76. And the omission of the word `his' will not vitiate the estate, nor are the words "and assigns forever" necessary to create it, although usually added. Co. Litt. 7, b 9, b; 237, b Plowd. 28, b; 29, a; Bro. Abr. Estates, 4. 1 Co. Litt. 1, b; Plowd. 557 2 Bl. Com. 104, 106 Hale's Analysis, 74. The word fee simple is sometimes used by the best writers on the law as contrasted with estates tail. 1 Co. Litt. 19. In this sense, the term comprehends all other fees as well as the estate, properly, and in strict propriety of technical language, peculiarly' distinguished by this appellation.


Get the allodial title and you do not have to pay property taxes for land you own. The current "deeds" people receive for "property," list them as tenants on the land, so they are bound by taxation. It is a Feudal law practice, and is the antithesis to the principles our Union was founded on.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Its total BS.

In America, you can NEVER own property.

You have to rent your property even if your home is paid for.
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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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You live in The United States of America.

Do I need to explain it to you?

You can post thisridiculous message.

You can water your lawn.

You can go on vacation.

You need to show some respect.

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Is this what you are trying to get at:



Asking questions is not disrespectful. And no, he does not have to shut his face.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Property taxes exist to :

1- Pay social services

This is in what people wouldn't give money by their own will and what keeps the legs of society from falling.

2- Go to war

Obviously, if you haven't noticed, the USA ( I hate the term America ) is a herd to milk the army.


One of those eventually goes towards the evolution of society
The other goes towards the evolution of power and domination ( AKA useless )

You "should" be happy to pay taxes if there was no wars, that's unless your greedy, have no empathy and understanding.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by theovermensch

Originally posted by steveknows
In Australia it's called council rates but it's the same thing. It's supposed to go toward Infostructure and the weekly rubbish removal and stuff like that but the rates have been climbing, at least where I live, and people aren't happy.



You could pay a guy to remove your rubbish and mow your nature strip for less than the cost of the rates. Councils are the mafia.


Of course if that's all that was needed. Anyway general weekly rubbish removal is the reponsibility of council as it comes under the health act or something so you'd still be paying for it even if you put an empty bin out. .
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