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Originally posted by schuyler
What's the difference? The minimum wage is an artificial construct of government which interferes with supply and demand. If you think unskilled, teen, and young adult unemployment is bad now, go ahead and raise the minimum wage. OF COURSE you cannot support a family on the minimum wage. The question is, why are you dumb enough to try? If you are so unskilled that all you qualify for is minimum wage jobs, then just perhaps you ought to be concentrating on learning a skill that is valuable enough to earn more. THEN start a family you can afford.
I worked minimum wage myself for many years, and I had a Master's degree at the time. Whose fault was that? MINE, completely. The glut in graduates in my field did not just suddenly happen between enrollment and graduation. Had I bothered to research the situation I would have known. If you have a BA in English and are slinging fries, the same rule applies. Your education has intrinsic value, but not extrinsic. Too many people did the same thing.
The thing is, you are quite capable of getting yourself out of it if you have the energy, and if you don't expect the government to bail you. Did you know that HALF the McDonald's franchise owners started out slinging fries? Now they are part of the 1% you hate so much. If you start out part time minimum wage at Wal-mart there is no reason on earth why you could not be a manager within ten years, a district manager in 15, and an executive in 20--no reason whatsoever. The difference is individual drive and determination.
Depending upon the government to raise the minimum wage is the same thing as depending on government for food stamps. It's still dependence on government. If you need a helping hand with food stamps for awhile, I have no problem with that, but your goal ought to be to get off them as soon as possible. If you do not, your going to stay down in the cellar forever, and it's no one's fault but your own.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
When I was born, the minimum wage was $1.00 an hour. When I was growing up, it rose to $2.00 an hour. And during that time, a man could work at a full time job and make enough to support his family... maybe even save a little.
On May 1, 1974, it went to that $2.00 level after 6 years at $1.60. 8 months later, on January 1, 1975, it went to $2.10. On the same date in 1976, it was $2.30. Two years later it went to $2.65, then rose each year through 1982... $2.90, $3.10, $3.35. The same time period that wages were being forced upwards by legislation was when the last major recession hit. Suddenly a household needed two incomes to make ends meet. Gasoline went from $0.25 a gallon to $1.50 a gallon.
Now you want us to do the same thing. Heck, we have been. On September 1, 1997 it was $5.15 and stayed there until 2007. Then on June 24, 2007 it went to $5.85; June 24, 2008 it was $6.55; June 24, 2009 it was $7.25. We are now in the largest recession/depression since 1929. gasoline hit $4.00 a gallon. Households can't make ends meet even with two jobs.
Isn't there enough misery already? Are things not bad enough? Are you really that anxious to become destitute? Do you really hate people so much you want them to go hungry and cold?
STOP IT ALREADY!
We have enough troubles already...