reply to post by wildtimes
I can understand where you are coming from, but in the end it is still the old Communist Manifesto... from each according to their ability, to each
according to their needs. That is the greatest economic system ever proposed or developed by mankind... on paper. The problem is it does not work in
reality... at least on anything but a very small scale.
My family is communist. I work for our living, but if my wife needs something she gets it. Same with my son. If one of us needs a doctor (rare, rare
event in reality, but this is an example), no one of us cares who made the money that pays for that. If my son needs a tool, he has complete reign
over the shop to use any tool he needs. It doesn't matter whether it is mine or his. That is communism, and it works on a small scale much better than
any other economic system.
But even within a family, it has its problems. My wife might decide she wants a new dress about the same time I decide I need a new drill. If there is
only enough money for one, who gets their need fulfilled? Human greed creeps in; I made the money, so I should get the drill; she works hard around
the house so I can make the money, so she should get the dress. Bang, we have an argument.
History has proven time and time again that this system works less and less well the larger the community practicing it grows, as more and more greed
creeps in and perverts the system. In the 1960s, the hippie movement experimented with communal living, and in every single instance it worked until
the group grew past a point and then disintegrated. The USSR and China tried it on a national level, reinforcing it with the authority of law, and in
both cases it led to extreme poverty for the masses and corruption at the higher levels.
The problem is that humanity thrives on competition. That's not a bad word, competition. It simply means that you, me, and everyone else involved has
a reason to improve themselves, a need to become better than they were before. With this competition comes new ideas, new developments, new
technology. Because of competition, we can communicate across the globe from the comfort of our homes at an affordable cost. Our lifespan has
increased to exceed 70 years on average. We can travel form one point to another in heated/air-conditioned comfort at high speeds. We have indoor
plumbing, television, food choices from around the world, electronic machinery to help us remember, understand, and preserve food. All that has come
about because at some time, someone in competition with others made a discovery or had an idea.
If we were to sell at a percentage of income, then there would be no competition. What would be the benefit in making twice the money if it came with
the requirement that you had to spend twice the money for the same things? Have you never wanted something so badly you were willing to work extra
hard to get it, willing to sacrifice for it, willing to go that extra mile to achieve it? I have. I drove a truck cross country for 8 years,
sacrificing time with my family, the comfort of a real bed at night, home-cooked meals, looking toward a goal. I got that goal: my shop. And today it
means so much more to me than it would have if all I had to do was ask for it to get it. Under your plan, there would have been nothing I could do to
get it... no new job, no overtime, no sacrifice would have been enough.
Capitalism, properly restrained, works. It has worked for 200 years in this country, proven by the high standard of living we all enjoy. Yes, we still
have poverty, but nothing, and I mean nothing compared to other countries around the world. I know of no one, including the homeless, who have to go
for extended periods without food... even the homeless here have clothing, can find clean water, etc., etc., etc. Those are luxuries out of reach in
Those who dissent against capitalism are typically, in my experience, those who have not succeeded under it. So for those who may be reading this
thread, I offer this advice: try. Just try. Learn what works for you and what doesn't, and use that information. If you can sweet-talk a preacher into
cussing, go into sales. If you can fix a car, become a mechanic, if you have a sharp mind, become a doctor or engineer. I you like to argue become a
lawyer. But do something! Make a plan to get where you want to be in life and follow it.
There are plenty of people who will help you along the way. Most are capitalists. Capitalism has nothing to do with charity... it is an economic
system, not a moral one. Morals can thrive among capitalistic societies as well (maybe better) than socialistic or communistic societies, because
those either make charity impossible for the average person or try to force charity onto people.
If you don't want to do that, don't want to leave your video games and Ipods long enough to make a difference, then at least stay there and let those
of us who do want to improve our lives have a chance to do so. Someone will be by to make sure you don't starve. And it will probably be a
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