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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 11:43 PM
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Notice how Alaska and Hawaii are curiously left out of these ...




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Left out of what? Any website that says anything about 'fema camps' says the biggest one [among others] is in Alaska.

I'll cross-post this stuff, yet again...

In regards to the one listed in fairbanks, alaska; This sports complex meets the governments criteria for detainment camps/emergency centers as far as having an actual prison nearby, being on a river and next to railroad tracks, surrounded by main supply routes, high vantage points for guards/defense, etc... (More on those criteria below this first quote) And the river/railroad go right to the exact place that's listed as the FEMA camp... Not to mention it's connected to a national guard armory full of humvees, people-wagons, and presumably weapons...


...keep in mind this is a huge military town. We've got a giant military base and a giant air force base.
In fact, If you look up locations for "fema camps," every single place says the same thing;

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.


Well there are train tracks and a river leading from the following fields/armory DIRECTLY to Fort Wainwright, the place listed everywhere as 'the biggest fema camp in america'...
Left side of the picture is the sports complex, right side is the military base

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Those traintracks also go straight to Eilson AFB, where there is a large mental health facility...

At both bases there are more baseball fields within a minute's drive of the railway/the air fields.

Here's the sports complex/national guard armory. It's on the right, by the arrow/marker. Those few-dozen dark things in rows are caravans and hummers, and there are a lot more than that there now. What's their purpose?


files.abovetopsecret.com...


Here it is in relation to the prison and "juvenile hall." Not even a 2 minute drive.

files.abovetopsecret.com...


Here it is in relation to the prison, hospital (surrounded on one side by more fenced fields), the DMV (where there are usually more cops than most anywhere else in town), department of transportation, fenced/guarded lot where impounded cars are held, and other fenced fields

files.abovetopsecret.com...


Here's a picture of an (Air National Guard?) helicopter taking off from the side of one of the fields next to the armory

files.abovetopsecret.com...


not-so-good more recent picture-

Notice the plastic road barriers. They fill them up with water/sand and use them to divert/restrict traffic or for roadblocks. The place I recognize them from most is the checkpoints to get on base.

Notice what those trucks are being used for in this video

and this may be entirely unrelated, or it may not...

Operation Fairbanks: Fort Wainwright soldiers help make Afghan road safe for travel

Oct 09, 2011

FAIRBANKS — A company of Stryker soldiers recently helped re-open a dangerous road in Afghanistan in a mission named after Fairbanks, according to an Army news release.

Five months in the planning, Operation Fairbanks involved clearing roadside bombs and building checkpoints on a road to a district capital that recently was held by the Taliban.


That and the governor of alaska has been warning of civil unrest...
Parnel l: Alaskans not prepared for disasters

Aug 24, 2011

...Earlier this year, in announcing he wanted to focus greater attention on readiness, Parnell told key staff that he wanted Alaska to be prepared not only for natural disasters but also for unemployment and "civil unrest" in the Lower 48 "that could lead to an influx here."

He said Wednesday that unrest could include dissatisfaction in urban areas...


I was thinking back to the last time I was in anchorage, and remembered getting a creepy vibe at this long strip of parks.

Turns out the creepy, secretive-looking federal building and courthouse nearby, where we had been talking about the fbi people we'd seen there, and the only place we were confronted by security the whole trip, is also now a fema center.

The Probation and Parole Division of the Anchorage Correctional Complex is between the fema/federal building and the parks, along with the Social Security Administration building and some kind of data sequestering building.
Then right across the street is the long strip of parks, which stops a small block away from the railroad.
About two blocks up, that railroad splits into a railyard right at (and touching) the Alaska Judicial Council building and goes on to go right by the actual prison (which is right across the road from one airport) and then on into Elmendorf Airforce Base, which is listed all over the internet as having some kind of huge fema camp...

fed building/fema center - 61.215137,-149.885037
judicial council building - 61.219735,-149.903281
prison - 61.218526,-149.855812

FEMA To Open Alaska Area Office In Anchorage

2007 Region X News Releases

SEATTLE, Wash. -- The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is officially opening their Alaska Area Office in the Anchorage Federal Building Annex (222 W. 8th Avenue) on Monday, 9 July 2007. FEMA Administrator R. David Paulison announced that the new office will serve as a work station for agency pre-disaster preparedness initiatives, and as an initial operating facility for federally declared disasters.

"The New FEMA is committed to working with our partners on the ground and at every level of government," said Paulison. "Regional offices help us build strong relationships and open lines of communication before a disaster strikes. A permanent regional presence is an essential part of our effort to build the foundation for FEMAs future activities in Alaska."

Susan Reinertson, FEMA Regional Administrator for the states of Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington agrees. "I am proud to announce Robert Forgit as our Alaska Area Office Manager, who assumes leadership of the new office in September," said Reinertson. "Robert has decades of experience in Alaska planning for and responding to disasters throughout his distinguished career with the U.S. Coast Guard, and is well respected throughout the anti-terror and all-hazards disaster response community."

The FEMA Alaska Area Office will also serve as a forward field office for pre-disaster preparedness and planning, as well as a staging and work area for Preliminary Damage Assessment (PDA) teams. FEMA staff will be joined by uniformed Defense Coordinating Element (DCE) personnel.

FEMA coordinates the federal governments role in preparing for, preventing, mitigating the effects of, responding to, and recovering from all domestic disasters, whether natural or man-made, including acts of terror.


the following, and a lot more in the thread I linked at the top, proves the point. Mulitiple cases where stadiums/parks have already been used as relocation camps...

www.fema.gov...

BILOXI, Miss. -- Even in the mind-numbing heat that defines summers in Mississippi, boys and girls still eagerly take to the field to play America's pastime. A softball field at the Rudy Moran Sports Complex in D'Iberville, named in honor of a former county employee, will be open for business within a week and local high school softball teams can hardly wait.

The softball field was used as an emergency temporary housing site for nearly 40 families after Katrina. Two years later, the trailers are gone and teams are gearing up to play again...

...The parks and recreation director receives regular help from Jerry Harper, a FEMA contractor monitor...

..."We understand housing people is more important than sports. And all of our leagues have been great about working with each other knowing FEMA trailers were still out here,"...

Eight of the 12 closed parks that temporarily housed more than 600 families across the Gulf Coast have been remediated and returned to their local communities.


What's the difference between a refugee/relocation camp/emergency center and a prison camp? The type of fencing used and some guards? Isn't that exactly what the recent KBR memo is asking for?

www.aptac-us.org...


a document originating from Halliburton subsidiary KBR that provides details on a push to outfit FEMA and U.S. Army camps around the United States. Entitled “Project Overview and Anticipated Project Requirements,” the document describes services KBR is looking to farm out to subcontractors. The document was passed on to us by a state government employee who wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

that document...

KBR
Government, Defense & Infrastructure

Project Overview and Anticipated Project Requirements

Project Overview:
KBR is establishing a National Quick Response Team for our current Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) work, and for anticipated future contracts. Upon completion of evaluation, certain subcontractors may be invited to establish a Master Services Agreement (MSA) with pre-established lease rates and terms and conditions.
The Continental US will be broken up into five regions as indicated in the map below...

Services will be required in each State within each region.

Anticipated Project Requirements:
Establish services listed below within 72 hours for initial set-up and respond within 24 hours for incremental services. This is a CONTINGENCY PROJECT and it should be stressed that lead times will be short with critical requirements due to the nature of emergency responses. Subcontractors must be flexible and able to handle multiple, shifting priorities in an emergency environment. Supply lines needed must be short but not necessarily pre-positioned.

The personnel on site to be covered by these services will depend on the size and scope of the recovery effort, but for estimating purposes the camp will range in size from 301 to 2,000 persons for up to 30 days in length.

- The offeror will not have to submit a proposal for each service in each state.

- Please identify which state and/or region your company can perform the requested services. The descriptions of the services are for reference only. Any and all specific requirements will be forthcoming with a detailed Statement(s) of Work in an RFP solicitation.

- Catering Services
This service is open to companies that wish to provide food preparation services only, and to companies that wish to provide the food supplies in addition to food preparation services. Subcontractor shall provide food and food preparation services capable of providing meals per feeding sufficient to meet the prime contractor occupancy levels. All meals may be prepared in accordance with the Army 14 Day Menu program (or equivalent like NIFC Mobile Food Services contract (fs.fed.us...) and may be enhanced based on individual
chef specialties and skills.

- Temporary Fencing and Barricades
Subcontractor will mobilize, transport, erect, install and demobilize temporary fencing,
barricades, and associated equipment according to federal, state and local laws, codes and manufacturer installation instructions. The Subcontractor shall be able to mobilize and deploy key personnel(s) within four (4) hours of NTP to meet with KBR Site Manager at the Responder Support Camp (RSC) site in order to finalize the site design plan and acquire site specific design requirements and layout.
Number of linear footage:
Approximately 2,300LF for a 301 person camp after 36 hours of NTP
Approximately 3,600LF for 1,000 person camp after 72 hours of NTP


- Hand Washing Stations
Subcontractor(s) shall provide all labor, management, supervision, transportation, tools,
material, equipment, fees, and incidentals to provide portable, self-contained hand-washing stations for temporary camps for emergency First Responders in accordance with OSHA CFR 29 1910 and additional State and Local regulations. Major operations within this function include transporting hand-washing stations for initial placement around camp and repair or replacement, if necessary.

- Laundry Services
Subcontractor shall provide laundry services with no more than a twenty-four turnaround time (time from customer drop-off to customer pick-up). The structure can be a tent, fabric shade structure or container of the adequate size to receive dirty laundry and issue clean laundry from separate issue and receive desk. The subcontractor will perform the laundry service at their offsite facility. The facility must be adequate size to meet the services turnaround requirement. The facility shall have equipment capable of cleaning medical and Petroleum-Contaminated clothing. The subcontractor shall perform washing, drying and folding of laundry.

- Medical Services
The subcontractor will provide a medical unit(s) capable of handling all medical emergencies in accordance with American Heart Association, Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) at a minimum. The subcontractor shall have the capability to provide medical support during the phase-in of a camp for 100 personnel within 36 hours of notification. The subcontractor must be ready to provide support for full camp occupancy no later than 72 hours after notification. The medical Unit shall be equipped to provide basic care for minor illness and injury; this will include
dispensing of common over the counter medications. Medical personnel shall provide medical services to FEMA first responders and contractor employees 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

- Office Trailers / Administration Area
Subcontractor will mobilize, transport, install and demobilize Office Trailers and associated equipment according to federal, state and local laws, and manufacture installation instructions. The Subcontractor shall ensure flooring, lighting, HVAC and other associated equipment are of good operable condition and function properly in accordance with specified and industry standards The Subcontractor will be capable of transporting, setup and have the office operational within 36 hours from NTP.

- Potable Water
Subcontractor will perform, Potable Water Collection, Transportation and Distribution Services according to federal, state and local laws. Major operations within this function include providing Potable Water to abolition units holding tanks, Shower units Holding Tanks. The Subcontractor shall be available 24 hours per day for emergency Potable Water request. Subcontractor shall respond within two (2) hours to emergency water request.

- Power Generation, Fuel Delivery / Supply & Electrical Distribution
Subcontractor shall have the capability to provide power generation, fuel delivery / supply and electrical distribution for a camp sized for 2000 personnel capacity. Major operations within this function include providing electrical distribution to a centralized location within site premises for the purpose of providing an electrical connection point for other subcontractors to terminate their main distribution cables.

- Refuse Collection
Subcontractor will collect, transport, and dispose of solid waste in accordance with EPA 40 CFR 243 and additional State and Local regulations. Major operations within this function include waste container management and maintenance, emptying of waste containers and disposal of collected refuse in a certified landfill. Additional the subcontractor will support a recycling program with a goal to recycle 35% of waste generated from the RSC operations.

- Shower and Toilet Units
Subcontractor shall provide Shower and Toilet units, with HVAC/ECU and associated
wastewater collection tanks and potable water holding tanks and equipment associated such as pumps and piping. All water supply equipment shall be rated for potable water supply in accordance with ANSI/NSF 42, 53 and 61standards and applicable EPA, state and local standards and requirements. Water sampling and testing will be accomplished by others.

-Tentage, Flooring, Electrical & HVAC/ECU
Subcontractor will mobilize, transport, erect, install and demobilize tentage, and HVAC/ECU and associated equipment. Major operations within this function include providing flooring, pole or clear span tentage, HVAC/ECU, electrical distribution within tents, ceiling lighting, exit signs, and fire extinguishers/smoke alarms.

- Waste Water Removal
Subcontractor will perform, Waste Water Collection, Transportation and Distribution Services according to federal, state and local laws. Major operations within this function include removing Waste Water to toilet units holding tanks, shower units holding tanks. The Subcontractor shall be available 24 hours per day for emergency Waste Water Removal request. Subcontractor shall respond within two (1) hour to emergency request.

IF INTERESTED, PLEASE SUBMIT A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF YOUR
SERVICES/CAPABILITIES TO THE FOLLOWING:
Bob Siefert at Bob.siefert@kbr.com

compare those requirements, and the following requirements, with the thread about the sports facilities being used as camps...

Enemy Prisoners of War and Civilian Internees
www.globalsecurity.org...

Part Two addresses handling, securing, and accounting for EPWs and CIs. The MP performing EPW/CI operations must follow specific ROE and ROI applicable to this category of I/R operations. The EPWs and CIs are not treated as DCs or US military prisoners. Leaders and soldiers must be knowledgeable of the Geneva and Hague Conventions, applicable protocols, ARs, and US laws. During war or military operations other than war (MOOTW) involving US forces, the accountability and safe, humane treatment of captives are essential. The US policy demands that all persons who are captured, detained, or held by US forces during conflict be treated humanely. This policy applies from the moment captives are taken until they are released, repatriated, or transferred. Chapter 3 describes division collecting points (CPs) and corps holding areas (CHAs) that may be established throughout the battlefield. Chapter 4 addresses procedures for EPWs, and Chapter 5 describes procedures for CIs. Chapter 6 addresses unique planning requirements to be considered when operating an I/R facility.

Chapter 3
Division Collecting Points and Corps Holding Areas

A large number of captives on the battlefield hampers maneuver units as they move to engage and destroy an enemy. To assist maneuver units in performing their mission

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3-24. Do not speak to captives except to give orders or directions. Do not let captives talk to or signal each other. This prevents them from plotting ways to counter security and plan escapes. An uncooperative captive can be gagged in certain tactical situations; however, only use a gag for as long as needed and ensure that it does not harm the captive.

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CENTRAL COLLECTING POINTS

3-46. A central CP (Figure 3-3) is larger than a forward CP, but it has a similar setup and operation. The larger holding capacity of a central CP requires additional MP. If sufficient MP are unavailable, it is augmented by a division, corps, or EAC band to assist with perimeter security. Captives are provided food, water, first aid, and medical attention as required.


www.globalsecurity.org...

Location

3-47. As stated in the division OPLAN or OPORD, a central CP is located near the division support area (DSA) in an area that prevents captives from observing activities within the DSA. It is also located near MSRs to make delivery, evacuation, and resupply easier.

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CORPS HOLDING AREAS

3-55. A CHA (Figure 3-4) can hold more captives for longer periods of times than a central CP. Depending on the availability of MP units to establish I/R facilities, corps MP units must be prepared to hold captives at the CHA more than 72 hours. If the CHA keeps captives more than 72 hours, MP must plan and coordinate for the increased logistics and personnel required to operate a long-term facility. The decision to hold captives longer is based on METT-TC and the availability of forces. Captives remain in the CHA until they are evacuated to an I/R facility or until hostilities end.


www.globalsecurity.org...

3-56. A CHA receives captives from CPs and units that capture them in the rear area. Usually, one CHA is established to support each division conducting operations. However, additional CHAs may be required based on the—

Size of the corps area.

Type of terrain.

Length of the LOC between the CHA and the division central CPs.

Number of captives being moved.

LOCATION

3-57. A CHA is usually located near a base or a base cluster in the corps rear area. When selecting a site—

Coordinate with the unit responsible for the area (terrain) and the corps rear CP.

Conduct a recon to select a location.

Is it adjacent to an MSR, a railroad, or an airfield?

Are existing buildings available?

Is it close to supply facilities?



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CONSTRUCTION

3-58. A CHA is more permanent than CPs. Existing structures may be used and are preferred. The capture rate and the captive categories determine the size of the CHA. A multistory building has a smaller perimeter to guard; however, it requires using guards on each floor and may present a security risk for the guards. Depending on the tactical situation, perimeter lighting can be used.

3-59. When constructing a CHA, divide it into two or more compounds for segregation, security, and ease of control. Consider providing more than one entrance into the CHA. Include a reception area for further processing, searching, and examining of selected captives by MI. Include sanitary facilities (showers and latrines) and shelter (tentage and existing buildings) from the elements and direct and indirect fire.

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LOCATION

3-68. Consider the following when planning an MI screening site:

The site is located where screeners can observe captives as they are segregated and processed. It is shielded from the direct view of captives and is far enough away that captives cannot overhear screeners' conversations.

The site has an operation, administrative, and interrogation area. The interrogation area accommodates an interrogator, a captive, a guard, and an interpreter as well as furniture. Lights are available for night operations.

Procedures are implemented to verify that sick and wounded captives have been treated and released by authorized medical personnel.

Guards are available and procedures are implemented for escorting captives to the interrogation site.

Procedures are published to inform screeners who will be moved and when they will be moved.

Accountability procedures are implemented and required forms are available.


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COLLECTING POINTS IN OTHER OPERATIONS

3-69. The CPs can also be operated during river crossing, amphibious, airborne, armored, and air assault operations:

River crossing operations. Establish temporary CPs on entry and exit sides of the river (corps MP often take control of CPs). Return from the exit bank and evacuate captives to the rear, preventing interference with tactical operations and protecting captives from hostile fire. Coordinate with traffic control personnel at the crossing site to prevent interference with assault forces who are moving forward. Use a secondary crossing site if available...

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Does anyone in hear know of any FEMA camps located in NY state?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
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Anyone who hasn’t studied Bill Cooper’s later work is missing some key info needed to connect the dots.



As an aside, it's strange how I came to have Cooper's book. I was at a flea market walking past a guy selling books. Of all the books he was selling, I saw him pick "Behold a Pale Horse" off the shelf, held it out to me, and said I'd probably enjoy this one, so I bought it. I'd never met the guy in my life and haven't seen him since. Still gives me goosebumps just thinking about, but I'm so glad he wanted me to have it.


The book salesman must have been an angel in disguise.....I have good..or maybe not so good news for you...........people will depend on you when TSHTF !! PREPARE....




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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I really hope these things never need to be used. I do worry a little since random check points have popped up which I went through on thanks giving weekend, slightly disconcerting as I know what history tells me this path leads too.

Again, I hope this is just a false alarm.

BUT, I also think using them would be a big mistake for TPTB, so bring it on if it's gonna happen.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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Are you for real?

So in an emergency, where exactly would you put refugees then?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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So other then linking another conspiracy site, where exactly are these camps going up? What other proof do you have besides speculation?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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If Americans are going to be shipped into camps, it won't be FEMA running it.

Use common sense people. Why would a disaster agency do police work? It would be the military or FBI.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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If Americans are going to be shipped into camps, it won't be FEMA running it.

Use common sense people. Why would a disaster agency do police work? It would be the military or FBI.


Under Presidential Directive 51, Homeland Security combined with FEMA and the Military would co ordinate with State National Gard to do the work needed to be done. At the present camps are being built through the CCA which is the " Corrections Corporation of America " that is a privately owned business profiting from the buying and trading of the souls of human beings. The more they have the more they earn. CCA is a forerunner of what things will be. Other camps, about 1500 are being built from old military installations, old industrial complexes and other sites. In the end it will be a streamlined machine where they will take people and put them in the camps, use them for slave labor and whatever else, then either kill them or let them die, then they will put into cremation bins ( FEMA coffins ) where they will be put on trains and sent to a cremation facility.

The problem with the NAZI regime is that they disposed of the bodies on site to save on expenses. All those details have been worked out now. But I think the worst thing is, is that the American people will eagerly jump on the FEMA buses and trains thinking their government is going to save them from either a viral plague or some other made up terror attack.




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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove

Under Presidential Directive 51, Homeland Security combined with FEMA and the Military would co ordinate with State National Gard to do the work needed to be done. At the present camps are being built through the CCA which is the " Corrections Corporation of America " that is a privately owned business profiting from the buying and trading of the souls of human beings. The more they have the more they earn. CCA is a forerunner of what things will be. Other camps, about 1500 are being built from old military installations, old industrial complexes and other sites. In the end it will be a streamlined machine where they will take people and put them in the camps, use them for slave labor and whatever else, then either kill them or let them die, then they will put into cremation bins ( FEMA coffins ) where they will be put on trains and sent to a cremation facility.

The problem with the NAZI regime is that they disposed of the bodies on site to save on expenses. All those details have been worked out now. But I think the worst thing is, is that the American people will eagerly jump on the FEMA buses and trains thinking their government is going to save them from either a viral plague or some other made up terror attack.


OMG OMG

What shouls we's do, what should weez do?







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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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FEMA is bureau of Homeland Security. Just like the FBI is a bureau of DOJ. But they have completely different functions.
Just because FEMA is a bureau of Homeland Security doesn't mean it is an enforcement agency.
But nice reach there.

Again, anyone have a picture of any of these camps? Any documentation? Anything other then the rantings of a tin foiler?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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FEMA is bureau of Homeland Security. Just like the FBI is a bureau of DOJ. But they have completely different functions.
Just because FEMA is a bureau of Homeland Security doesn't mean it is an enforcement agency.
But nice reach there.

Again, anyone have a picture of any of these camps? Any documentation? Anything other then the rantings of a tin foiler?

There is actually well documented evidence, as well as hoaxes. Some good evidence is in the "Camp Fema" documentary, I suggest you watch it on YouTube for free.

I also suggest you do your research really well before bashing others who have done theirs, I suggest you start by watching that movie. If you watch it and still don't buy it, make a thread debunking the evidence in the movie... if you can. Otherwise, I am not wearing my tin foil today, you can wear it..



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by CREAM I also suggest you do your research really well before bashing others who have done theirs,


Hi CREAM, thanks for the informative post, exactly what are your credentials as a researcher into all things FEMA Camps...other than having an Internet connection?

Best Wishes,

Toad



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Yea, because a youtube video HAS to be true.


Like that Alaska camp referenced above. A lot of what is being used as "evidence" is just common sense. The national gaurd is used in emergencies, and often run shelters themselves, so of course putting a shelter next to a national gaurd facility makes sense.

And I do understand these agencies which is how I know it is bunk.

FEMA is a response agency. Their jobs are to assist states in disasters. Which means that FEMA would know how to set up a camp in hours flat, probably a day, or they have contractors on hand to do it.
They don't need to have facilities set aside to herd everyone in.

Not to mention, if the disaster is in Northern California, and your camp is in SoCal, how do you shuttle millions to socal?
Then what do you do with all the residents in socal? where do you intern them?

Most of the people who work at FEMA are educted in disaster preparedness and emergency management. They are there to save lives, not intern people.


Yes the government interned the Japanese, it was done by the military. Not a response agency.And even then only 2000 (yes 2000 too many) were interned.

And the US government has hefted out a whole heck of a lot of money in compensation for those folks.

So who do they expect to intern and why? You can't do most of the US population, there is no way a any amoutn of facilities can handle that.

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by WillowToad
Hi CREAM, thanks for the informative post, exactly what are your credentials as a researcher into all things FEMA Camps...other than having an Internet connection?

Best Wishes,

Toad


While I muse at your cynical sarcasm in response to my own, what radical statement did I make that I would need credentials for? Seriously, answer my question if I'm answering yours.

The only "claim" I made was there is good evidence that such camps exist. This is fairly well know.

The debate should be about- "how many are there" "what is the intended purpose" "are they actually going live now" etc etc. I made no claim that I know the answer to these things or "all things fema".

So please.. what do I need credentials for again? Oh, and what are your credentials? (surely you have some impressive credentials if you are calling other people out)

To have such a debate, we need to get past the fact there are such detention camps in the US. My contribution was the suggestion to watch "Camp Fema" - as - while I don't agree with it all - it does provide the "good" documented evidence I speak of.

When I see debunkers trying to debunk people with while providing no counter evidence, I get wary.

That's all.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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Yea, because a youtube video HAS to be true.




edit: just saw the addition to your post...

Another poor argument.

You have just written of every documentary posted on YouTube (this is not a YT video btw, it is a movie that happened to be uploaded to YT) as false. Does a source suddenly loose credibility if you post it online?

Another red flag that you are avoiding the issue - you are refusing to look at my evidence.

PLEASE... actually use REAL arguments and evidence to contradict those you are trying to debunk. Then, I will respect your argument, but not as long as you are just playing games with me.

All I am saying is FEMA camps do exist, I do not KNOW what their intended use is.

This is a reasonable claim and deserves a real response, not childish responses.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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So who do they expect to intern and why? You can't do most of the US population, there is no way a any amoutn of facilities can handle that.



Direct that question to someone else, the only claim I am making here is that I believe there are FEMA internment camps, maybe if SHTF and they are indeed used a camps, the military may run them, but there are FEMA camps and that is my point.

Do I think they will be used? I hope not.
Do I know why or how they will be used? No.
Am I going to keep my eyes open since I know there is massive corruption in our gov? Damn straight I am.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by CREAM While I muse at your cynical sarcasm in response to my own, what radical statement did I make that I would need credentials for? Seriously, answer my question if I'm answering yours.

The only "claim" I made was there is good evidence that such camps exist. This is fairly well know.

The debate should be about- "how many are there" "what is the intended purpose" "are they actually going live now" etc etc. I made no claim that I know the answer to these things or "all things fema".

So please.. what do I need credentials for again?


Oh, OK, no credentials just another poster like myself.


Oh, and what are your credentials? (surely you have some impressive credentials if you are calling other people out)


None.

See how that werkz?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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Yea, because a youtube video HAS to be true.




Another poor argument.

You have just written of every documentary posted on YouTube (this is not a YT video btw, it is a movie that happened to be uploaded to YT) as false. Does a source suddenly loose credibility if you post it online?


If it not from a reputable source? Yes.

Anyone could make up anything and put it in a video and claim it to be true. Just because it happens to agree with a view you want to push doesn't make it any more valid.

IF it is not a verifiable source, it is not a valid one.





Another red flag that you are avoiding the issue - you are refusing to look at my evidence.


You don't even post a link so you weren't that concerned about me even viewing the right evidence.




PLEASE... actually use REAL arguments and evidence to contradict those you are trying to debunk. Then, I will respect your argument, but not as long as you are just playing games with me.


Poor baby, you can't use real evidence that you don't even post so you turn in accuse me of not having a real arguement.

Please! Please! Post something other then a wacky youtube video and we can have a real discussion.

If anyone can claim that any youtube video is real, then 3/4 of the conspiracies on ats would be true. UFO videos included.



All I am saying is FEMA camps do exist, I do not KNOW what their intended use is.


If you are going to accuse an entire agency of a crime, then you need to have a motive.



This is a reasonable claim and deserves a real response, not childish responses.


Nice try, but your the one who can't come up with a valid explanation other then "just because".



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Lets get this straight, FEMA will make them, the military will run them.

Last time I checked, the military has quite a bit of experience making camps.



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