the Controlled demolition of the EU

Thats what I call it! , I try to follow these EU politics and economy as much as i can,
kinda hard since here in belgium we have our own "issues". however the more this sinister plan
unvails the more it becomes clear. We are seeing the controlled demolition of the EU.

So lets start with the latest meeting,we now have an agreement that will fine country's who don't reach the 3% budget or whats it called, It doesn't really matter how its called or how much it is. The fact remains,
All over the EU country's are getting debts beyond belief (we got among a few other things in this mess because governments where spending more then they had) anyway.
Now in order to SAVE the EU they will fine country's who don't reach the 3% yada yada..

The question I ask myself,

HOW! How can you pay a fine, if you got the fine because you have no monney! how is this going to save the EU?


*note, i truly believe the euro will be gone by the end of the year. Why do i think this except some logical sense?
The IMF could buy euro bonds and so helping the EU and would probably save a few country's by doing so. But whaat? they WON'T! why ?

Because they know if they buy them and the euro plunges in oblivion they will have nothing but dirt in their hands.
So the IMF probably knows the EU will fall.

hence controlled demolition.

personal note, I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant or just plane wrong, but as a citizen of the EU (wich i do not aprove of) It saddens me this twisted game destroys the lives of us people. nobody wanted the euro! we got it and it stripped us from our own culture, our own country! and now we get dragged down with it!

Good luck; I feel for you guys;Looks like the EU will be the in the first canoe plunging over the "falls". (However;IMHO We won't be far behind...See ya' at the bottom...)

Your only means of resistance is jamming the gears of the machine with your physical bodies.(I.E. "general strike"; for which you'll personally lose everything). If there's no money left to redistribute.You'll be thrust into a defacto (black market) free market capitalism run by gangs and organized crime.(i.e.poverty).

Who (whom?) will you hold responsible? Ministers or fellow citizens? Will anyone be held accountable?

reply to post by Cyanhide

Star & Flag for my fellow Belgian citizen As for the Euro, no way it will disappear. Maybe you have read today in the newspapers that our Belgian franc will be worth 25% less if we drop the €. Like me, you wouldn't want to be slammed back to the year 1980... As for our identity, yes, we friggin' lost it. There's nothing any more that makes us Belgian or Flemish or whatever. We are all dragged down to the greatest scam ever: Globalization. It's funny how the world points at the EU nowadays. Because it's not the EU that's in trouble, it's the world! It's us! The bankers scammed us into this and there's no turning back now. Just ride the wave. We are the true retards to have taken confidence in the monetary system presented to us. I always laugh at interest rates for example. See, Cyanhide, if I would have €5 as if it's the only money available in the world. And I would loan it to you at say 10%. How the hell would you be able to repay me the €5.50 if there's only €5 on the face of the planet?

We're screwed, with or without the €. We will die a horrible and agonizing death. Or maybe we'll die before it gets to horrible and agonizing. Anyway, we die. "So f*ck it" is the mentality most people have because of our reality.

Maybe it is the opposite?
It could be controlled melting of independent countries into EU form,not demolition. Right now it is further loss of financial independence. Look at this from perspective of people who want to have a single EU state - since people of member countries will not accept direct loss of national independence,lots of small steps in the correct direction are needed. Any emergency,crisis is an opportunity for them.

reply to post by Staafke


I don't believe that, country's like Greece ( and soon Croatia) did better before the euro. I truly believe this is the steppingstone to a one world economy and currency.

I think it was finland who threw out their banks, well their doing pretty good now, better then before.

reply to post by Cyanhide

The reason why Greece did better before the Euro is because they systematically devalued their own currency. A bit like China is doing now.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Maybe it is the opposite?
It could be controlled melting of independent countries into EU form,not demolition. Right now it is further loss of financial independence. Look at this from perspective of people who want to have a single EU state - since people of member countries will not accept direct loss of national independence,lots of small steps in the correct direction are needed. Any emergency,crisis is an opportunity for them.

Spot on my friend.
Far from this being any sort of demolition this is a controlled implosion and looky here most are already falling in line.
Tighter bonds (all for the good of course ).
Problem
Reaction
Solution.

The only way to deal with this mess is to create the law or invoke the ones that are available but not being used. What is needed is something along the lines of conspiracy to Usurp Sovereignty or Global Economic Terrorism. This would include the seizure of assets of banks, IMF, UN and the people behind these organizations and their personal assets made public. A new monetary or systems would need to be implemented of course but lets face it, people are now at war for their dignity and lives.

This is not a war being fought with bullets, it's a war for our freedoms and ability to afford food. People had better figure out a way to tackle this before they end up knee deep in the dead, because starving people will wage war for food.

Still have time, it's running out though.

Well, I hope it is a controlled demolition rather than an uncontrolled one. Hopefully a controlled demolition will have less impact on the surrounding area and be less dramatic for the citizens involved. Although, part of me thinks the Euro might survive, they seem pretty keen to keep flogging a dead horse.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Well, I hope it is a controlled demolition rather than an uncontrolled one. Hopefully a controlled demolition will have less impact on the surrounding area and be less dramatic for the citizens involved. Although, part of me thinks the Euro might survive, they seem pretty keen to keep flogging a dead horse.

Controlled as in laying a trail of crumbs leading into the rat cage. The new deal is not going to be much of a deal as it is a life sentence.

reply to post by Cyanhide


You know, if the EU deported all the third world refugees and passed strict "Europe for European" law's, most of the EU debt would be non-existent? Socialism and Communism can work, it is just that it can only work in a closed system. Socialism can only tolerate immigrants that are a "+"(but never a minus), while Communism cannot tolerate any immigration.

Studies show that people care more about a society if a society has only one perceived ethnicity. Add multiculturalism, and people stop caring about society the more their ethnicity is marginalized. Great for bureaucrats for a short period of time, but guaranteed to ruin a nation.

People think there is some large scale plan in the works, hogwash. The simple fact is that some people get off on hurting others and spreading discourse.

reply to post by korathin

Very interesting you bring this up. I'm very glad we have our social system, but it's a system full of leaks and to be honest immigrants laugh at them and exploit them. They're sucking our money out and sending it back to their home countries. Especially the Moroccans. On multiple occasions I've seen them asking in a store if the good they're about to buy is from a Belgian company. If it's Belgian, they'll refuse to buy it... Very arrogant towards the country that can actually provide a future and some education... *sigh

Another Belgium citizen here.
I don't know a lot about the Euro..
But I like to share my feelings about it.

Suddenly there was the euro, people here had never the option to say if they wanted it or not...
We all need to pay for Europe.. but really, what do we get back??

Personally, I think the Euro did make live a lot more expensive!
Just for fun: convert the prices of the products you buy, back to the old Belgium Franc. Sometimes i'm really shocked about the result!!

Also check the salary for the euro parliamentarians....

The way i see the whole Euro thing, is another way to get some well paid jobs for the "power horny" people..


And I'm also sick about the whole belgian political situation!!! My fellow belgium citizens will understand what i mean! It just isn't normal anymore...

reply to post by Sunlight

Yeah Sunlight, life gets more expensive every year. I've even read life will be around 3% more expensive for us next year, hooray!

I remember going to Delhaize with my dad. He had a full cart at the cash register, stuff was piling up and food was falling from the cart After all the goods finally got registered my dad had to pay 1.300 francs for it and I was like "WOW, Dad! That's a lot of money!" and he answered: "Yes, my boy, but we have food and stuff for weeks now." 1.300 francs is about 32€

Now I'm an adult and go to Delhaize too (runs in the blood I guess). I don't take a cart like my dad, I take a little basket. I fill it, not even that full and I pay... 35€... No extras, just the basics to eat. And I have food for a week if I'm lucky...

reply to post by Staafke


That describes it pretty well Staafke!

And now they are inventing new taxes almost every month or so..
It's like they wanna drain all the money from the working middle class, sometimes i almost feel like a slave...

reply to post by Sunlight

And slaves we are... It's also a global fact that money has been systematically drained from the middle class for decades. My family was rather "into the money" but they got scammed into the seemingly endlessly bull market from the late 90's. Real Software, Lernout & Hauspie, Cisco and one company I even forgot now were all fata morgana goldmines. Once the price was inflated a 100 times above the true value, the big guys dumped it and left the middle class with the scraps. That, for me, was a fine example of true controlled demolition... Oh, and it's not only my family who got scammed, I know A LOT of people who have lost a life of hard work in a single day or week...

To come back on the slavery thing: Does anyone else feel like they don't get paid enough for the time and energy you invest into your job, but get paid JUST enough to be afraid to lose it all? Think about it...

reply to post by Staafke


Oh yes, I remember the Lernout & Hauspie affair.
It was something that never would go down...
There would be loads of new jobs, the region would be put on the map again, they even said it was stupid to not sign in now (stock market) ....
Meanwhile, we already know better...
I pass those buildings almost every day. There are other companies now, but still it gives me a bad feeling.

friends, we are in war, and we are hostages of war!

During the first and second world war people we threatend by a knife at their throat.
Nowadays the knife has been replaced by insurance. In both ways we are trying to stay alive.

And even though i'm 22 years of age, i remember the belgian frank crystal clear. Unlike some other people of my age. They think its pretty normal when you go to the panos you pay 1 euro for a cookie and 3.40 euros for a ham sandwich.

Nice to see some Belgians here.

I can't see the EU going anywhere, the eurozone is a different area however and at the end of the day I don't even see that collpsing totally. There may very well be a controlled restructuring and at the end there could be a smaller and stronger EZ for it and to be honest it would be better to be in on it than to not.
Whether or not people agree with the whole european 'experiment' isn't really helpful, we are stuck with it for now and stuck trying to make it work since globalisation and the world markets dictates we have to do business with those greedy bastards who caused this mess to begin with until people finally wake up to this folly.

As for Belgium, who knows? It's hard to say but as it's the European capital so to speak I suspect it will be brought along for the ride, the amount of european and international money/investment here is quite substantial and to distance itself from that would be more catastrophic than any collapse of the euro..

reply to post by Cyanhide


I have the same feeling.
Most young people are not aware how high some prices actually are.
Just to use your panos sandwich example,
How many sandwiches would a person need a day, if there was no other option for other food?
Maybe 4? And add eveytime a little bottle of soda at 2€
Total: 21.6€ a day -> 669.6 €/month
And that's without cookie for dessert ;-)

I know, it's not the best example ever..