Is US Minimum Wage really $7.25?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by butterflyowl
Maximum Wage...
Has anyone mentioned this yet?
30 pages is alot to look through.


Yes I was hoping for more focus on that.

I think there must be a salary cap.

And wage disparity is too great.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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So all of your posts seem to add up to advocating some kind of communist or socialist structure, and I point out how that has fared in the past, and you call me an idiot.

I said what I said because I LIVE HERE. Not because I have Polish blood, but because I SEE IT EVERY DAY. No matter how high minded your ideals, people have tried to impliment them and failed miserably. I am all for change, but the change you seem to want has already been attempted, and I was trying to make you aware of the actual results.

If I view the results of the grand Marxist experiment first hand, talk to the people who lived under it, and simply post what I have observed, how is that related at all to McCarthyism? Granted, there were some plusses:

Everyone had a job, though the currency was so inflated they could not afford much. I am sure co2 emissions were less, due to the shortage of Automobiles and people who could afford them. Everyone had a 20 square meter flat to live in, though it was rather cramped.
Also, are you trying to up your post count? You reply with 2 lines to every single post... What gives?
Oh, and if there is a salary cap, how and why do you limit the income of a small business owner? For that matter, how can you cap the income of a large business? Yes, salaries of CEO's can seem excessive, but much of that value lies in stock. If you cap a salary, do you cap all other income? So in theory then, all profits after a certain point would have to be reinvested in the company... But is it not that way already in most cases? So if you cap the income on a small business owner, then theoretically the excess must either be re-invested in the company, and the company will expand, or the excess income is taxed. But if this keeps happening, won't it create more mega corporations, which to you are a drain on society?

YOUR LOGIC NEEDS WORK.

Why don't you come back with something other than insults. Calling ME arrogant? Where do you get off?
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Good sir ,

as a good communist you gave mixed answers...

what is the thread about...

in a later post you refer to hoping to see more on a maximum wage...

or is it the strawman argument part of dialect your are purporting...


Remember ATS is about denying ignorance such as yours..


Please define

traitor....

human race...


traitor huh... I have found that most of the mud people choose to sling is based on their first instinct of what they hope people do not find out about themselves..

As for history... Good ole joseph M mistake was his presentation and his approach... the idea he had history has proven correct in that commie traitors had infiltrated the us government....


Again I asked you for numbers refuting my claim... You resorted to a strawman argument... a drive by on the poster not the post... seeing as how you got hit for a T an C in response .....


I offer all of ATS a chance here to view this.... All you offer ATS and the world in your argument...

The same old politics...

First your Claim to fight and represent the working class

Next it is the ones with power who have stolen X...

Third you call for the workers to rise and take over the means of production...

Since your there advising them, naturally you will be chosen to lead the workers...

Fifth, you need them to give up more control and power so you can hunt down and remove the last vestiges of capitalistic imperialism

All the while promising them everything will better once your remove the threats to the communistic ideals.

which being your ideals are the states, this means for the good of the workers your personal enemies are also enemies of the state...

So anyone who puts out an idea different then yours is a threat and an enemy....


However

I offer the difference of years of experience
I ask no members of ATS to like my idea just help me midwife it...

The idea is to find a way to improve the buying power of the US dollar so we don't end up like your dreamland of cuba, USSR, or china....

Your idea sounds like you wont to take the value of the american dollar out of the hard working american peoples mouth so that a loaf of bread is 20 dollars a loaf...

You sound so full of hate and vinegar...

Well sir I am disappointed in you.... I also feel pity for you ...

The thread has gone
Minimum wage comparison
Union add ons
Personal attacks by the pitied


Now the argument here is what do you offer ATS out of the argument...

theovermensch You offer ATS the chains of gulag

I offer a discourse open and free of personal attacks
I offer an idea to improve the quality of life of all Americans...

theovermensch you offer a discussion where people who disagree with you are traitors...



Again

Minimum Wage is a compound tax

similar to compound interest....

Marx



From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)


sounds like even you hero Karl would support the idea of unions being more talent agents.... each worker would get according to his ability....



Please note all governments are based on the fallacy of power and control...

each version of government is merely a discussion on said principle... those in control of those decisions do not make them in the best interest of the those they control... they make them in the best decision that will keep them in power...

To hell with the people they rule

its true in
Socialism
Communism
Democracy
Imperialism
Corporatism
Dictatorships...

So in the end they are all dressed up dictatorships... its just a matter of fashion and what each offers you as you try to accomplish things....

How does this last bit tie into minimum wage.....

Well it is an artificial control measure to control people...

I know the perfect way to put this now...




Let us go to the another example...

We all have worked with an idiot... they do nothing & skirt the work the are supposed to be doing ( please no management jokes)

Or worse when we try to buy something or get help... same one ... they leave you wondering how they got the job being so stupid...

These idiots I am referring to...

well in the minimum wage system the are rewarded for a short time with equality and drain the rest and pull them down...


My idea I offer is way to combat this.....

Do you feel the person that just screwed up what you asked them to do, delivered poor craftsmanship should be paid the agreed upon sum (minimum wage) or not?

they didnt do the work right....

humor me....

I will have that thread done a little later and I invite you personally to destroy it the best you can....


I like opinion different from mine... keeps you honest



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by theovermensch
. I cannot beleive that adults in a country as prosperous as America are only worth $7.25 an hour.

edit on 9-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo



Some would say some adults aren't even worth $7.25 an hour. You are witnessing the strong divide of 'haves' and 'have not's' which has been happening here in the USA for decades. There is a segment of our population who are greedy and selfish. Who will do whatever is necessary to rule the roost as they see it.

Heck just drive around a major metro area in the USA at rush hour and you can see the mentality on display by drivers who cut one another off while talking on their cellphone. Speed up to cut in front of you at a stop light. Do not use any signals to change lanes and when they foul you by their recklessness give you the finger as if it is your fault for obeying the rules of the road. Just a slice of life here in the good ol USA!
edit on 12/13/2011 by americanbuffalo1 because: spelling error



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by americanbuffalo1

Originally posted by theovermensch
. I cannot beleive that adults in a country as prosperous as America are only worth $7.25 an hour.

edit on 9-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo



Some would say some adults aren't even worth $7.25 an hour. You are witnessing the strong divide of 'haves' and 'have not's' which has been happening here in the USA for decades. There is a segment of our population who are greedy and selfish. Who will do whatever is necessary to rule the roost as they see it.

Heck just drive around a major metro area in the USA at rush hour and you can see the mentality on display by drivers who cut one another off while talking on their cellphone. Speed up to cut in front of you at a stop light. Do not use any signals to change lanes and when they foul you by their recklessness give you the finger as if it is your fault for obeying the rules of the road. Just a slice of life here in the good ol USA!
edit on 12/13/2011 by americanbuffalo1 because: spelling error


One of the nice things about the US is that almost everyone has a car. This leads to crowded roads and aggressive driving, but I hardly think this is a reflection of a deeper issue in our society. If anything, it is the result of a prosperous nation. Greed, selfishness and poor driving is not exclusive to America. The more time I spend away from the States, the more I miss it, even if I do find myself incredibly annoyed by how American students patronize other cultures. The other day, I overheard an american woman complaining that she put her clothes in a donation box, but that they ended up resold at a second hand store for $2. She was upset because she wanted to "give them" to someone. While this is idealistic of her, I was a bit turned off by her arrogant perspective, that she believed a homeless person in what she seemed to believe to be a "third world country" would be better off thanks to her abercrombie and fitch.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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min wage in WA state's 9 something
but everything here is taxed



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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I am 44 years old and I have seen the driving get worse as some people seem to think they are 'better than the rest' and I can see it with the lack of civility in most niches of the American psyche. It is but one example of the selfish, self aggrandizing behavior which afflicts oh so many Americans these days.
Americans are spoiled rotten and there are many who have never caught a glimpse of any culture outside of American culture. They know what they see and hear from the mass media which does a fine job at keeping people oblivious to how much better off even the poorest person is here than other parts of the world.
Look its simple if people were inherently good there would be no need for rules, laws and policies. There are some here in the US who think they are above those mundane restrictions on their freedom to step on the next person.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Yeah, people thinking they are above the rules is exclusive to the US. Maybe it is just me feeling homesick, but I really think you are reaching.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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The teenage rate in aus is lower strictly for the simple reason that most (not all obviously) will live with their parents, wont have bills, rent, and the other obvious weekly/monthly responsibilties.. this is factored in to how the min is calculated... which makes perfect sense.

I think the world has learned over the past 30 years that making children equal to adults just doesnt work.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by ripcontrol
reply to post by theovermensch
 


Good sir ,

as a good communist you gave mixed answers...

what is the thread about...

in a later post you refer to hoping to see more on a maximum wage...

or is it the strawman argument part of dialect your are purporting...


Remember ATS is about denying ignorance such as yours..


Please define

traitor....

human race...


traitor huh... I have found that most of the mud people choose to sling is based on their first instinct of what they hope people do not find out about themselves..

As for history... Good ole joseph M mistake was his presentation and his approach... the idea he had history has proven correct in that commie traitors had infiltrated the us government....


Again I asked you for numbers refuting my claim... You resorted to a strawman argument... a drive by on the poster not the post... seeing as how you got hit for a T an C in response .....


I offer all of ATS a chance here to view this.... All you offer ATS and the world in your argument...

The same old politics...

First your Claim to fight and represent the working class

Next it is the ones with power who have stolen X...

Third you call for the workers to rise and take over the means of production...

Since your there advising them, naturally you will be chosen to lead the workers...

Fifth, you need them to give up more control and power so you can hunt down and remove the last vestiges of capitalistic imperialism

All the while promising them everything will better once your remove the threats to the communistic ideals.

which being your ideals are the states, this means for the good of the workers your personal enemies are also enemies of the state...

So anyone who puts out an idea different then yours is a threat and an enemy....


However

I offer the difference of years of experience
I ask no members of ATS to like my idea just help me midwife it...

The idea is to find a way to improve the buying power of the US dollar so we don't end up like your dreamland of cuba, USSR, or china....

Your idea sounds like you wont to take the value of the american dollar out of the hard working american peoples mouth so that a loaf of bread is 20 dollars a loaf...

You sound so full of hate and vinegar...

Well sir I am disappointed in you.... I also feel pity for you ...

The thread has gone
Minimum wage comparison
Union add ons
Personal attacks by the pitied


Now the argument here is what do you offer ATS out of the argument...

theovermensch You offer ATS the chains of gulag

I offer a discourse open and free of personal attacks
I offer an idea to improve the quality of life of all Americans...

theovermensch you offer a discussion where people who disagree with you are traitors...



Again

Minimum Wage is a compound tax

similar to compound interest....

Marx



From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)


sounds like even you hero Karl would support the idea of unions being more talent agents.... each worker would get according to his ability....



Please note all governments are based on the fallacy of power and control...

each version of government is merely a discussion on said principle... those in control of those decisions do not make them in the best interest of the those they control... they make them in the best decision that will keep them in power...

To hell with the people they rule

its true in
Socialism
Communism
Democracy
Imperialism
Corporatism
Dictatorships...

So in the end they are all dressed up dictatorships... its just a matter of fashion and what each offers you as you try to accomplish things....

How does this last bit tie into minimum wage.....

Well it is an artificial control measure to control people...

I know the perfect way to put this now...




Let us go to the another example...

We all have worked with an idiot... they do nothing & skirt the work the are supposed to be doing ( please no management jokes)

Or worse when we try to buy something or get help... same one ... they leave you wondering how they got the job being so stupid...

These idiots I am referring to...

well in the minimum wage system the are rewarded for a short time with equality and drain the rest and pull them down...


My idea I offer is way to combat this.....

Do you feel the person that just screwed up what you asked them to do, delivered poor craftsmanship should be paid the agreed upon sum (minimum wage) or not?

they didnt do the work right....

humor me....

I will have that thread done a little later and I invite you personally to destroy it the best you can....


I like opinion different from mine... keeps you honest

I like opinion that differs from mine also. But if someone is going to be rude to me I will be even more rude back to them.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Text Good sir , as a good communist you gave mixed answers... what is the thread about... in a later post you refer to hoping to see more on a maximum wage... or is it the strawman argument part of dialect your are purporting...


Where do i do this exactly?

There should be a salary cap and wage disparity must be addressed,I have mentioned that. When do i say I want more on maximum wage?

I think you are having trouble with comprehension. Or are you being misleading on purpose?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Text Good sir , as a good communist you gave mixed answers...


I am not a communist,I am socialist.

When did I say I supported communism?

There is a difference if you are not an ignorant,hysterical McCarthyist.

This link might help you out with that www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think the problem is that conservatives are used to arguing with limp wristed liberals.

So your first reaction is to cry communism.

Dont be scared.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Text Remember ATS is about denying ignorance such as yours..


ATS is a hive of ignorance.

And it is a hive of ill-mannered neocons.

I know it is in the tradition of ATS to be rude and snippy but could you try to be a little less rude.

How can you claim to be open to someone elses opinion yet you feel the need to insult me?

Thanks alot. I hope that makes you feel big.

I strongly disagree. It is ignorant to cling to a broken system.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Text Please define traitor.... human race... traitor huh... I have found that most of the mud people choose to sling is based on their first instinct of what they hope people do not find out about themselves.. As for history... Good ole joseph M mistake was his presentation and his approach... the idea he had history has proven correct in that commie traitors had infiltrated the us government....
reply to post by ripcontrol
 


A traitor is a republican or a democrat.

We need to start calling you for what you are.

And we need to shine a light on your McCarthist thinking so history is not repeated.


edit on 13-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Text Again I asked you for numbers refuting my claim... You resorted to a strawman argument... a drive by on the poster not the post... seeing as how you got hit for a T an C in response ....


What numbers?
Who the heck are you?
Some obssessed neocon it would seem.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Text I offer all of ATS a chance here to view this.... All you offer ATS and the world in your argument... The same old politics... First your Claim to fight and represent the working class Next it is the ones with power who have stolen X... Third you call for the workers to rise and take over the means of production... Since your there advising them, naturally you will be chosen to lead the workers... Fifth, you need them to give up more control and power so you can hunt down and remove the last vestiges of capitalistic imperialism All the while promising them everything will better once your remove the threats to the communistic ideals. which being your ideals are the states, this means for the good of the workers your personal enemies are also enemies of the state... So anyone who puts out an idea different then yours is a threat and an enemy....


You imply that I wish to "hunt" people down?

And then say that anyone that puts an idea out thats different to mine ia a threat and an enemy?

Honestly,if we were not on the internet I could sue you for defemation.

Stop being hysterical and ludicrous.

You should be ashamed.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Text However I offer the difference of years of experience


So you know how old I am now?

How old are you?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Text The same old politics... First your Claim to fight and represent the working class Next it is the ones with power who have stolen X...
reply to post by ripcontrol
 


When did I claim to represent the ones with power?

And what does "stolen X" mean exactly?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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Text I offer a discourse open and free of personal attacks


Really?

You could have fooled me.

Why are you so rude and insulting?

Why do you make personal attacks?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Text Let us go to the another example...


And you claim I am ignorant?

I gotta say,I find it suspicious that so many neocons are interested in the end of this dead thread.

I know some would be parrots.

But why all the effort to try to link the thread with communism by neacon propagansists at the end of this?

If people really were working for the government as ATS members I think this is exactly where you would find them.





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