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Is US Minimum Wage really $7.25?

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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by wlord
most people i know..actually everyone i know come to think of it, lives paycheck to paycheck and both man and woman have to work. I don't know of many "housewives" unless the parents already made it big. It's not easy , especially for immigrants.


You said it. Everyone I know, just about, is paycheck to paycheck, as well as every family having both the husaband and wife working. We do this because we want to live a certain lifestyle, buy the things we want, do the things we want to do. Nobody wants to work just to pay their bills. The difference now compared to say fifty years ago, is that we have credit cards, and unfortunately people will rack those cards up so high that they will be paying on those for 20 years. Back in the 1950's, everybody paid with cash, and credit was unheard of, or just for the very rich.




posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Not true! Good ol' busting your butt can make it happen also! Yo may have to put in some extra time, make an EXTRA effort and be there when they need you. Make yourself indispensable.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by cloaked4u
My beef is housing, lets add to the list shall we and maybe we can get back to prospering.


Housing costs are a direct result of supply/demand. An artificial demand was placed on owner occupied housing by the Clinton administration when they ordered banks to make mortgages to people who could not afford them. The Bush administration tried to reverse this, but thwarted by a democrat congress. The banks tried to rid themselves of this debt they knew was toxic by packaging them up and selling them on the open market for all the suckers to eat. Perhaps it was planned, perhaps not, but it's water under the bridge.

When those chickens came home to roost, the housing collapse occurred. All those chickens who couldn't make their mortgage payments (surprise) got foreclosed and sought out rental units, which quickly became in short supply. Knowing what we ALL know about the economic law of supply and demand, what happened?

Has nothing to do with the "banksters" other than the fact that they were told to do it in the first place. What can they do about it?

The solution? Lower taxes and cut ridiculous spending at the federal level all the way down to local. Every dollar that Americans have can be put back into the economy, which will spur job creation, which will spur more consumer spending, which will raise more tax revenue...

It's a pretty easy cycle to understand, but the bought-and-paid-for politicians don't want that, do they? They are wanting to destroy the economy so that a police state can be easily implemented over a helpless populace.

Then what do they think will happen?



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by cloaked4u
My beef is housing, lets add to the list shall we and maybe we can get back to prospering.


Housing costs are a direct result of supply/demand.


Dont feed the trolls. Look at his avatar, it couldnt be any clearer.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Choppsmcfame
reply to post by sith9157
 

Not true! Good ol' busting your butt can make it happen also! Yo may have to put in some extra time, make an EXTRA effort and be there when they need you. Make yourself indispensable.




Very true, busting your butt and hustling is a way..very true, I know because here I am forty years-old, and in college getting a bachelor of science degree....what I should have done when I was eighteen, but oh well, you learn from your mistakes...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by mwood
Yes, $7.25 is a very low wage and you can't live comfortably on it.

That's why you get educated and learn a skill and work hard to improve yourself so you can get a job that pays well above minimum wage.

Most of the people that work minimum wage jobs are not interested in doing better (like my son) and has no drive.

What made America great was the ability to do whatever you wanted IF YOU PUT IN THE WORK.

If you sit on your ass and are an uneducated, lazy person nobody OWES you a good job or a good wage.

Life is what you make of it and you usually get out of it what you put in. I am sure it is like that in your country also.


Thaaaank you..

I've been told in this very thread that what you describe is tantamount to treason. Looks like public education is working...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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There are so many misconceptions and errors in this thread,and so many valid points, it's impossible to address the finer points without being misconstrued.

It could take a book to address them correctly. And I ain't no scholar. (pun intended)

Great thread though. Good read. I've been on many sides of this discussion more then once from a workerbee and a corporate bee viewpoint.

2 paragraphs won't cut it. This topic deserves a more insightful dialog.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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It is becoming more like that here, but you guys in the UK are much farther down the path to socialism than we are.

We should think about synchronizing our revolutions... just thinkin out loud here.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Yes, but everything in Australia costs twice as much in the US. Anyone who has purchased items in both places can verify this.




Originally posted by theovermensch
I read that the Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. I knew it was low but I think that is crazy.How could you afford to live on that? Here in Australia it is $15.51 an hour.In Australia a 16 year old gets $7.34. And our dollar is worth slightly more than yours. I cannot beleive that adults in a country as prosperous as America are only worth $7.25 an hour. How would you even pay for utilities? There must be people that work fulltime and are on 'food stamps'. Are minimum wage jobs a significant percentage of the workforce?

From the outside looking in America looks like a terrible place to live. I have seen the 'tent cities' and seen how the homeless are treated. And then you see MTV cribs and the stark contrast. Yet you have armies of lunatics wearing patriot costumes screaming for blood because of 'obamacare'. The neocons seem like insane psychopaths. You watch a gop debate and hear people cheer at the idea of letting the poor die because they are poor. And you hear them call for cuts to welfare when the poor in your country are obviously already living like badly-fed animals. Anyway,I digress.

I was thinking that since America has an army of unemployed people that would be willing to work for minimum wage why isnt more stuff produced on US soil? I know people working in Chinese factories are worse off but surley more jobs in manufacturing is possible. You would save some on the fact that products wouldnt need to be imported and you could make up the difference in tarrifs. If grown men will work for $7.25 an hour I think there are solutions.


edit on 9-12-2011 by theovermensch because: typo



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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The problem isn't that the minimum wage is too high.
It's not that it's too low.

The problem isn't that people aren't willing to flip burgers.
Or that flipping burgers doesn't pay enough.

The problem is that people are flipping burgers.
The problem is 'McDonalds'.

'McDonalds' (and other Mega Corporations) has cornered their share of serfs and they're not letting go.
Mega Corps are responsible for allowing the 'hard-working' few to be lawyers, book keepers, and bankers to take care of their 'business'.
Doctors, pharmaceuticals, and insurance providers to keep everyone 'healthy' while consuming.

What's left of the middle class is the pitance bestowed upon us by the upper crust to ensure there's just enough of us invested in their system that it maintains self defense.

The whole thing is a grand Ponzi scheme.

The Mega Corporations are the robots that were supposed to create utopia and instead turned on the humans.

It's time to declare war on the machines and shoot on sight. (Metaphor)[-ish]

Our young people should return to working the land, producing and serving for their communities.
The comfortable and wealthy need to take responsibility for their cog in the machine and get their families out while they still can.

I could buy acreage, build a home, be completely self sufficient for less than what a doctor or a lawyer makes in 6 months, but maybe that's why I'm not that flavor of slave...

TL?DR? It's time to vote with our wallets big time, by like, throwing them away. It's time to leave the system behind to bleed and die alone without mourning.... far far away from my village...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by cloaked4u
My beef is housing, lets add to the list shall we and maybe we can get back to prospering.


Housing costs are a direct result of supply/demand.


Dont feed the trolls. Look at his avatar, it couldnt be any clearer.


Judge a book by its cover, you couldn't be any more prejudiced.

Obama is a socialist, he wants everyone to be "equal" like the borg. How is that even remotely arguable? I get positive comments through U2U all the time.

Cheers.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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[ quote ][ i ] Originally posted by AwakeinNM [/ i ]
[ quote ][ i ] Originally posted by mwood [/ i ] Yes , $ 7 . 25 is a very low wage and you can ' t live comfortably on it . That ' s why you get educated and learn a skill and work hard to improve yourself so you can get a job that pays well above minimum wage . Most of the people that work minimum wage jobs are not interested in doing better ( like my son ) and has no drive . What made America great was the ability to do whatever you wanted IF YOU PUT IN THE WORK . If you sit on your ass and are an uneducated , lazy person nobody OWES you a good job or a good wage . Life is what you make of it and you usually get out of it what you put in . I am sure it is like that in your country also . [/ quote ] Thaaaank you .. I ' ve been told in this very thread that what you describe is tantamount to treason . Looks like public education is working ... [/ quote ]

I have issue with the generalization of minimum wage workers. Sure there are a minority of lazy uneducated fools who have decided to make their lives an eternal party. However there are many, like myself, who work minimum wage jobs, who have decided what their purpose is in life and work for it no matter what. . . even if that means having their life's passion ripped from their arms. :/
Even if minimum wage jobs are supposed to be entry level positions, there has to be something wrong in this country when many have no choice but to work in these positions. It is too bad there aren't enough higher skilled jobs to go around to help alleviate this problem. I don't think the solution would be to increase minimum wage, but to bring back the manufacturing/skilled labor jobs that have moved over seas.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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my rent is a direct result of my landlord being underwater on his mortgage and in this economy who really pays more?

the renter. not supply and demand..its poop going downhill.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by theovermensch
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answers.yahoo.com...

Remember the question was directed at Ron Paul? I was watching the debate.


No one was cheering at the thought that someone would DIE. That is an absolute mischaracterization of what happened.


What? That is exactly what was asked, if they would allow a man to DIE. People were shouting YES at the end of that clip. No misrepresentation here folks. You're clueless and obviously deluded to believe otherwise. You've lost major credibility points in my books. How dare you try to cover for the sick people at that convention. Shame on you!



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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I'm sure others have pointed this out by now, but I found what I read interesting.

First I'd never insult anyone by pretending I understand the social and cultural differences between countries as some do. I'd never attack the citizens of a country or think badly of them because I don't like some part of their government or system. That would make me a genuine bigot and I'd like to think I'm a better person than that.

When I see these, I can't believe how bad America is threads, I'm amazed at the level of bigotry people exhibit openly when anonymous and how they assume they know something based on other hateful and self loathing peoples posts on boards like this. ATS for instance is not even remotely representative of the American Peoples attitudes due to it's nature. Neither bad nor good, just the truth.

So many of the issues here are based on pure bigotry and twisted and spun by dishonest hateful posters, it's almost mad to even form a view based on them. Certainly it is naive.

Minimum wage here applies to jobs that only children, students or unskilled and uneducated people apply for to begin with. It has little to do with what an adult at a job with even minor skills earn. To even imply that is so dishonest as to label the person saying so either delusional or a liar. It simply is not true.

We all know that haters NEED targets. They exaggerate, spin and lie with impunity.

To give you a better example. A construction laborer (no skills and only do manual labor due to having no education or skills) earns around $12 to $15 an hour. Skilled labor such as Carpenters, Electricians and Welders for the most part earn from $18 to $35 an hour depending on their experience and the level of their skills. In the Unions a Carpenter can easily earn over $100,000 plus benefits which often equal another ten to thirty thousand a year.

80% of us have felt little or no difference since the economic woes started. around 5% of us would not take a job if offered, so you must deduct at least 5% from any unemployed number that is going around. Unemployment among those with Degrees is around 4.5% and those with meaningful Degrees in math or the sciences have a rate closer to 2%. Manufacturing has moved to other countries which does make it hard for people unwilling or unable to acquire skills that are employable.

Anyone can get an education here for free or with guaranteed student loans if they wish to. They only need the desire and the spine to try. All kinds of grants are also available if a person is truly needy and unable to pay themselves. If they do not have a High School Diploma they can get a GED (the equivalent) without having a penny. Then they can get student loans and grants to go to College or a Trade School. Some Trade Schools you don't even need a High School Diploma and skilled work like I said can net you as much as a Masters Degree.

On the issue of Medical Care. I have existing conditions that stop me from getting affordable insurance as I'm self employed. To deal with it I have established credit with a Hospital, my MD and a Dentist. I live up to my obligations so they treat me well and if I need help it's no problem.

I had a long conversation with the head of billing at the hospital I use and drove him nuts with questions. He told me that they can get medical care paid for anyone, no matter the circumstance if they simply fill out the forms and follow through. He said the problem is that people come in knowing that no Hospital can refuse them, get the services and then they refuse to help themselves by simply filling out a few forms to make the care free. The only exception is if they can in fact pay for it themselves. They have many Trusts with millions in them just for that purpose. All from private donations from wealthy donors in the community.

If anyone says they can't get medical care, they are lying to you. Don't know what else to say? I've always liked the truth. Those are the people who can't be bothered to fill out a few pages of paperwork.

I was homeless at one point in my life and immediately found I could get as many as five hot meals a day and sleep in a bed every night. Same is true for everyone. Again I see many liars on that topic all the time. On top of that they can get up to all but $25 a month of their rent paid in most States and Food Stamps and..........

If you want the truth I suggest you pay us a visit and spend time with ordinary Americans instead of buying into the crap from angry people on the Internet. You would like it here I'm betting unless you are one of those haters, who need to hate others for whatever your issues are.

Also, you simply cannot base your opinions on the political crap when we have an election coming up. You must know by now how much the politicians and media lies. From what I've gathered you have the same issues there.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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first a whole lot of this conversation seems to be like a series of web-bots trying to discuss the Topic with an algorithm based on ATS rules.....

Seems laughable...

Just so I am up to date...

The question is
US min wage really 7.25

The answer is no
the first part out the staring gate is that it is 5.075.....

Next the thread has evolved into more of the why and effects

Personal Stories

Call for higher min wag
Call for no more higher wages due to cost increase

then side discussions
*politics
*arguments on points of the above

Then the detestable point of go back and get an education you lazy bums.....


Well l am adding more....

IT is going to take a miracle to fix this... heres why

not a single one of you have the education in money necessary to understand money...
the most you have is a pavlov reflex, and this applies to the lazy bum person as well

thats right untrained and uneducated... I my self am merely the guy with 40/40 vision in my left eye in the kingdom of the blind

the first problem is lack of financial education...

The wage laws are neither the solution nor the problem...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by CaDreamer
my rent is a direct result of my landlord being underwater on his mortgage and in this economy who really pays more?

the renter. not supply and demand..its poop going downhill.


Then find a comparable place cheaper. When you do, tell me again how supply/demand doesn't work and how I am full of crap.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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minimum wage should be 15 an hour, trillions of dollars are wasted on the military industrial complex in the usa and millions if not billions are ripped off of the people from banks, insurance companies, taxes, etc....epic scam, there is a better way.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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that is pretty horrendous in my humble opinion , particularly considering how the people deciding these minimum wages earn hardcore maximum wages
how could it ever occur to you you have the right to decide how much money a fellow human being is allowed to make ? this is so messed up i cant even go on this site too much for all the messed up realities it makes me face and the line between joy about learning something new and the fear or knowing how horrible our world exactly is is getting thinner and thinner ....
get me some paint thinner ....



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by CaDreamer
my rent is a direct result of my landlord being underwater on his mortgage and in this economy who really pays more?

the renter. not supply and demand..its poop going downhill.


Then find a comparable place cheaper. When you do, tell me again how supply/demand doesn't work and how I am full of crap.
the vacancy rate in my county is under 5% housing is very tight, also i am already in that "cheaper" place...



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