Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by TXRabbit
If you follow my posts PROOF that I'm not an agent , you'll clearly see I'm not yet an agent - merely a schill (and not even a paid one at that lol). I'm studying advanced rerouting and disinfo techniques and hope to test in February so I can graduate on up to DISINFO Agent class 1.

Wish me luck!

Whatever. You don't get your Illuminati Super Decoder Ring until DISINFO Agent Class 3. You're just a schill with a cubicle until then!

But back to the topic: The LDS church operates the cannery system across the country in support of it's welfare programs and humanitarian aid donations. The church doesn't brag it up, but they do a lot of good all over the world for places hit by disaster.
The prices they charge for the goods are well below market value, and help defray the costs of production for the donated foodstuffs. Being a well organized religion, both doctrinally and structurally, there is no question that all necessary documentation, permits and inspections are up to date.
There really isn't a single avenue of legitimate "apologetism" available on this one. This is a well run non-profit charity which operates above-board nationally. The government was testing the wire, plain and simple. They are getting incredibly bold and cocksure, and they certainly have a healthy supply of useful idiots to carry out the marching orders.

I don't understand how in the world people can continue keeping their heads in the sand. (Not trying to offend in any way) but if we were part of the Jewish community in 1935 (and had the interwebz) would we be having the same discussions back then that we are right now?!?!
Friends and family think I am a little out there when I try to point out recent US legislation which clearly points to this insanity. I guess at some point you have to put up your perimeter and hope they can ride things out...

Its because they don't get this news. This is online news and most people don't read this. Otherwise they'd be up in arms and pretty much aware too. And the government would be out. The media blacks out most of the news. It would take local counsels of citizens, pamplets and newletters, meetups and videos, speakers, and some street views like ATS does. It could be run by college journalist students and some senior high students as well.

But if its not done, the rest arent' going to get much until its extreme.

I did a search of a few of the newspapers around the areas where the Mormon food banks are located, Here is snippet from Oath Keepers blog site on the locations:

Debbie A. Says: December 8th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

There are 2 in TN. One we have gone to is in Knoxville and the other is in Hendersonville which is just outside Nashville. Where I live in NC, we have 1 but you must be a member. We would also go to Columbia, SC but they changed their policy and only members could go. TN was open to anyone last I heard. You can go to the LDS website and there is a list there.

source: oathkeepers.org...

another comment from Oath Keepers blog:

Dan Says: December 8th, 2011 at 10:14 pm Hendersonvill, Nashville, & Knoxville are the only ones I know of that the storm troopers wanted customer info on. If you find others, let us know. Thanks

source: oathkeepers.org...

I didn't see any mention on this story in any of the news web sites I checked, here are those links:
www.tennessean.com...
www.knoxnews.com...
www.hendersonvillestandard.com...

This seems like it would have been a major story around there, as it would be anywhere..back on page one I mentioned I needed more information on this story..I still don't buy it, it just doesn't add up..thanks Vitchilo for breaking this important story..if it found to be untrue then you have helped expose a hoax and if true then you have enlightened us all as to what's taking place under our noses. SnF Cheers Coco

Maybe I missed this link when I read through the thread, but some students in Tennesse were required by their school to photo their food pantries and send in pictures of the family. Which I found most odd.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Homework assignment for kids in Tennessee: take pictures of your food and how much you spend weekly

Originally posted by Unity_99
Maybe I missed this link when I read through the thread, but some students in Tennesse were required by their school to photo their food pantries and send in pictures of the family. Which I found most odd.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Homework assignment for kids in Tennessee: take pictures of your food and how much you spend weekly

The scenarios in the OP and in the thread you linked to are the kind of stories the US Governmetn used to circulate back in the 1950s and 1960s about the evil commies in Russsia. It has come full circle. It is funny that the vast majority of Americans are utterly clueless to this accelerating transformation into what "we" (our government) used to criticize and condemn in other "home lands".

The feds who demanded customer lists and records had no legal basis for doing so. I hope their target victims refused to cooperate and told them to go (do something to) themselves. I doubt the good Mormons would be so rude.

And having children spy on their own family by reporting on what goes in the their own home is outrageous. That's what the Nazis did very effectively, turning friend against friend, brother against brother, ...child against parent.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by TXRabbit
If you follow my posts PROOF that I'm not an agent , you'll clearly see I'm not yet an agent - merely a schill (and not even a paid one at that lol). I'm studying advanced rerouting and disinfo techniques and hope to test in February so I can graduate on up to DISINFO Agent class 1.

Wish me luck!

Whatever. You don't get your Illuminati Super Decoder Ring until DISINFO Agent Class 3. You're just a schill with a cubicle until then!

But back to the topic: The LDS church operates the cannery system across the country in support of it's welfare programs and humanitarian aid donations. The church doesn't brag it up, but they do a lot of good all over the world for places hit by disaster.
The prices they charge for the goods are well below market value, and help defray the costs of production for the donated foodstuffs. Being a well organized religion, both doctrinally and structurally, there is no question that all necessary documentation, permits and inspections are up to date.
There really isn't a single avenue of legitimate "apologetism" available on this one. This is a well run non-profit charity which operates above-board nationally. The government was testing the wire, plain and simple. They are getting incredibly bold and cocksure, and they certainly have a healthy supply of useful idiots to carry out the marching orders.

I don't understand how in the world people can continue keeping their heads in the sand. (Not trying to offend in any way) but if we were part of the Jewish community in 1935 (and had the interwebz) would we be having the same discussions back then that we are right now?!?!
Friends and family think I am a little out there when I try to point out recent US legislation which clearly points to this insanity. I guess at some point you have to put up your perimeter and hope they can ride things out...

Its because they don't get this news. This is online news and most people don't read this. Otherwise they'd be up in arms and pretty much aware too. And the government would be out. The media blacks out most of the news. It would take local counsels of citizens, pamplets and newletters, meetups and videos, speakers, and some street views like ATS does. It could be run by college journalist students and some senior high students as well.

But if its not done, the rest arent' going to get much until its extreme.

I agree with this. NO ONE I know knows anything about any of this. In fact, Occupy Wall Street was going on for a month before most of the people I knew even heard of it! I don't think most people WILL know about it until it is on their tv sets. They either don't use the internet or don't think of it as a reliable source for current news. Myself, I find it THE MOST reliable source for current news.

Originally posted by ohyouknow
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

This is mildly terrifying to me, as a Mormon, because we're going through some difficult times in my household and we rely on the cannery to help supply us food that we might not be able to afford else-wise.

If I were you I would be on the phone to my ward president demanding an accounting for HOW this is allowed to happen. I'm really concerned, because it may have been my Dad's local cannery they raided. At least it's cash-and-carry.

reply to post by Ironclad


You are correct, if that were the case.
And if it was true, I'd be ready to mobilize.
But there are some of us who want proof of our Gumment doing something so blatent before we decide to revolt.
Now it seems that maybe the story from a "trusted" source, may not be so trusted.
Always check your intel, ALWAYS.
Ats is like a superhub for LIES, but every once in a while we get a partial nugget of truth.
I do not believe this issue has any truth is all.
Civil war would bring on a lot of irreparable bad for the US possibly ending in worldwide disarmament.
There are idiots out there who would love to see the mad max thing, I am not one of them.

reply to post by angellicview


While I believe all people concerned are Oathkeepers, maybe not all oathkeepers are good people.
Many good organizations have been infiltrated by enemy agents down through history for a number of reasons.
Even if all communications were cut off, some would get the word.
Not all militias are connected or answer to the same chain of command.

I don't want to rock anybodies delusional boat here but the premise that the government is "blacklisting" the general population for stockpiling food is ludicrous despite the eagerness of so many paranoiacs to believe so.

At some point the number of "terrorist suspects" on the lists would exceed the ability of Homeland Security (Gestapo) to deal with them all.

Who's crazier: you or them?

This is pretty straightforward. First, the event(s) need to be confirmed. We can't go running-off based on another internet doom-porn fest. IF the event is confirmed then everyone here needs to write their Congression representatives and demand answers and an investigation. They need to be put on-notice that we're watching, we see what they're trying to do and we're all over it. Time to stoke some paranoia on the other side of the fence. If it's true, that is.

Originally posted by TXRabbit
Maybe this simply has less to do with "roundup-lists" and more to do with the cannery not having a retail license to sell goods? It did mention that the folks were buying the food from this warehouse, correct?

Retail license to sell food? Wow, that could be another thread by itself. You say that as if it were an okay thing to have a in a free country. I'm not going to get government permission to sell any of my things. You can go around celebrating your own enslavement all you want but don't expect anybody else to participate.

Originally posted by Brown Bear
I don't want to rock anybodies delusional boat here but the premise that the government is "blacklisting" the general population for stockpiling food is ludicrous despite the eagerness of so many paranoiacs to believe so.

At some point the number of "terrorist suspects" on the lists would exceed the ability of Homeland Security (Gestapo) to deal with them all.

Who's crazier: you or them?

edit on 10-12-2011 by Brown Bear because: (no reason given)

Well...if it's me that's crazy, at least I'll be crazy on a full stomach I live in a very rural area, where local farmer's markets are part of our everyday life. I buy produce I need from my neighbors who grow it, and I sell my products to them. This past two years, has seen attempts by federal regulations to shut down, or extremely curtail local growing of food to sell. It's taken local small county governments to fight for our rights to trade product with each other.

Now you tell me how crazy I really am.....
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Originally posted by charles1952
I may be asking for too much, but I've been looking and can't find anything on this story other than Oath Keepers information. I'm afraid my skeptic meter is acting up. Does someone have anything else?

Another story with no actionable intelligence. Are we seeing a trend here?

reply to post by Vitchilo


"Cash and carry"? Shouldn't they only accept payment in gold or silver? [end sarcasm]

For whatever it is worth, I found this on an Oath Keepers website:

While this story has gone VIRAL all over the prepper world, a well placed phone call to the Public Relations department of the Church of Jesus Chris of Latter-Day Saints had this to say…

I just found the number on newsroom.lds.org... and spoke to a nice lady who answered the phone about my concern of having received this news from 2 seperate sources.

Her response: “You can tell your friends that this is a hoax…we have done a thorough investigation”.

oathkeepers.org...

Go to the bottom of the website to see the quoted text.



OK, folks, I called the number of the LDS, and they said that this story is NOT coming from ANYONE in the LDS, and in fact, the Oath Keepers is not in any way affiliated with the LDS.
Given that, and given that the ONLY person that seems to confirm this story, is Caldwell, himself, I am willing to say that I firmly believe that this is a complete HOAX.
I don't doubt that the government is constantly up to tricks, but in this case, it doesn't seem that they are.

I'm not a Morman but found storing food is part of the Morman religion.

Mormons are commanded to keep one year of food storage on hand. Because Mormons believe that the end is near and that Jesus Christ is coming, they are taught that food storage is a necessity.

Perhaps no other religion takes food and emergency preparation more seriously than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Church leaders regularly sponsor demonstrations on food storage. Children are taught how to prepare 72-hour "emergency kits.".

This is what they believe and should be left alone.

So, I guess this was a test, only a test.
Please put all battle rifles snugly back into the pvc tube and re bury as we will be having another soon.
Meanwhile as usual, crack a beer or your favorite beverage and enjoy.
Good patriots are smart patriots.

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Originally posted by Indigo5
Hmmmmm....I'll wait for some evidence vs. a grown-up game of 'grape vine" before assuming my government is going to turn the USA into Nazi Germany.

You mean declaring any American with a missing finger a terrorist suspect wasn't enough to convince you? Declaring anyone with a 7-day supply of food as a terrorist suspect didn't convince you? Or how about we go back a couple of years and remember when anyone who talked about the US Constitution was declared a terrorist suspect, or anyone who had a Ron Paul bumper sticker.

I have some bad news for you...it's time you start assuming.

Please take no offense.

But nothing you claimed is factual.

It is exageration and very, very creatively interpreted text.

I know this isn't the right place but I cannot create a new thread yet......when you type Illuminati backwards and add .net it goes ot the NSA? Strange?

reply to post by zeeon


"Good intentions" dont justify decades of failed policies, corruption and waste.

National Defense is a duty of the federal government. A war-for-profit industry is not.