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You might want to look up noted false apparitions, like Bayside. What happens is people believe in it and start questioning the Church's authority. Even the apparitions egg them on by talking about evil bishops and evil priests. In all approved cases what happens is the apparitions tell them to obey authority. Jesus promised that His church would not be succeeded against by even the gates of hell. So that claim is to cause schisms for the church.
So how is it that the authorities of the church were incorrect..and then the messages were accepted by the authorities of the church..but only many years later ?
Gabby, I see that you are admitting your confusion and the weakness of your faith....and I truly am sorry that you are struggling so. You say you will not "be around as much", and I see that you have, according to your posts, come to some awareness of the confusion that clouds your thinking, and the awareness that you have not been previously exposed to the thinking of others who are legitimately refuting the things you take as fact.
I hope, for the sake of your sanity and comprehension, that you will look into the research and scholarly works of human beings who study these things. I think (not that you care what I think) that it would ease your soul to know that whatever scars from harms you have endured and suffered can indeed be healed, and your reconciliation with the Divine is not dependent upon the Catholic doctrines.
May I kindly ask you..why you are coming to this thread..and trying to counsel me.. with subtle put downs of my mental health and state of mind? Is this your way of showing me how I stalk you? How sad
There you go again....accusing me of "subtle put-downs", when I was genuinely reaching out and responding to the portrayal of yourself and your questions that you have made public on ATS.
Never mind, again. No "counseling" intended.
Just goodwill, and a sincere, heartfelt hope that you'll find a place of peace within yourself.
Brightest blessings, gabby.
Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by 547000
You might want to look up noted false apparitions, like Bayside. What happens is people believe in it and start questioning the Church's authority. Even the apparitions egg them on by talking about evil bishops and evil priests. In all approved cases what happens is the apparitions tell them to obey authority. Jesus promised that His church would not be succeeded against by even the gates of hell. So that claim is to cause schisms for the church.
I understand what you mean.. but you also have to realize that many Marion apparitions that were approved..and accepted by the church were not done so until sometimes 100 years later. Bishops at the time of Lourdes threw some of those children behind bars trying to force them to confess they were making it up.
So how is it that the authorities of the church were incorrect..and then the messages were accepted by the authorities of the church..but only many years later ?
It takes a very long time for church authority to approve of visions.. are we to neglect important messages until they have been approved?
It is confusing.. and the only way for me to try and see what is true and what is not..is to pray earnestly to Jesus and His mother to guide me to truth.
edit on 31-12-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by gabby2011
You might want to look up noted false apparitions, like Bayside. What happens is people believe in it and start questioning the Church's authority. Even the apparitions egg them on by talking about evil bishops and evil priests. In all approved cases what happens is the apparitions tell them to obey authority. Jesus promised that His church would not be succeeded against by even the gates of hell. So that claim is to cause schisms for the church.
In 1882, Christ revealed to the stigmatist, Marie Julie Jahenny of La Fraudais, France that:
"In the last days, a seemingly unlimited amount of FALSE REVELATIONS will arise from hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and to destroy the efficacy of the TRUE REVELATIONS by false ones."
www.newjerusalem.com...
On one hand you have things that are guaranteed to be true or the other hand you have things not guaranteed to be true. Many true visionaries pleased Christ by listening to the authority of the church, on the other hand some seers buck away the authority of the church and create an atmosphere of dissent.
There is a mystic, maybe the greatest of all time who was/is doubted but is near to being approved. Luisa Piccarreta. There is a mystic, maybe the greatest of all time who was/is doubted but is near to being approved. Luisa Piccarreta.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by davereality
Mary was an Apostle, nothing more. Not the "queen of heaven" ishtar/hera/inanna.
Isis, Virgin of the World
by
Manly P. Hall
Excerpts from the section titled "Isis, Virgin of the World" from his book, "The Secret Teachings of All Ages"
It is especially fitting that a study of Hermetic symbolism should begin with a discussion of the symbols and attributes of the Saitic Isis. This is the Isis of Sais, famous for the inscription concerning her which appeared on the front of her temple in that city: "I, Isis, am all that has been, that is or shall be; no mortal Man hath ever me unveiled."
This Egyptian deity under many names appears as the principle of natural fecundity among nearly all the religions of the ancient world. She was known as the goddess with ten thousand appellations and was metamorphosed by Christianity into the Virgin Mary, for Isis, although she gave birth to all living things--chief among them the Sun--still remained a virgin, according to the legendary accounts.
During the Middle Ages the troubadours of Central Europe preserved in song the legends of this Egyptian goddess. They composed sonnets to the most beautiful woman in all the world. Though few ever discovered her identity, she was Sophia, the Virgin of Wisdom, whom all the philosophers of the world have wooed. Isis represents the mystery of motherhood, which the ancients recognized as the most apparent proof of Nature's omniscient wisdom and God's overshadowing power. To the modern seeker she is the epitome of the Great Unknown, and only those who unveil her will be able to solve the mysteries of life, death, generation, and regeneration.
Originally posted by colbe
cantuar.blogspot.com...
Argument #2
Mary as New Eve Having Enmity with Satan
Gen 3:15
"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.."
In this verse God addresses Satan. The Seed here is Christ. The Woman is His Mother, that is, Mary. Thus Satan has perfect enmity with Christ and with His Mother. The Catholic Church has interpreted this as indicating the sinlessness of Christ and Mary. If either actually committed sin, then they would not be at enmity with Satan but actually a cooperator with Satan at times.
- Symbols don't mean anything intrinsically: they have the meaning we assign to them. It is no surprise some Christian symbols were used by pagans and there's nothing to apologize for.
- Similarities in things like shapes, styles of dress, habits (such as kneeling, praying, etc.) indicate nothing more than *coincidence* - obviously such things (circles, purple robes, beams of light, etc.) are simply *extremely common things* that pop up in all kinds of contexts. To assert a close and intentional relationship between two belief systems because of such similarities is simply either stupidity or blind prejudice in action.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
From your link;
- Symbols don't mean anything intrinsically: they have the meaning we assign to them. It is no surprise some Christian symbols were used by pagans and there's nothing to apologize for.
- Similarities in things like shapes, styles of dress, habits (such as kneeling, praying, etc.) indicate nothing more than *coincidence* - obviously such things (circles, purple robes, beams of light, etc.) are simply *extremely common things* that pop up in all kinds of contexts. To assert a close and intentional relationship between two belief systems because of such similarities is simply either stupidity or blind prejudice in action.
This is absolute bunk! If you think symbolism has no meaning other than how it is explained to you, that there aren't hidden meanings, psychological code in symbolism, you are very naive.
First, Jesus was not a Catholic, he was a Jew. Jesus preached Jewish mysticism and the symbolism of the sacred books. He spoke Hebrew, to Hebrew people only. Later his words were attempted to be translated into Greek and Latin. Never the less, the symbolism of the sacred text of the Torah is indeed very important in understanding the mysteries of Jesus, the Kabalah and of Christianity.
The English translation of the bible, the words, are not important. The message is. The message, the law that Jesus came to fulfill, is the Torah. The Torah is sacred and eternal. Jesus is the Torah, the Law, the "Word," but it's all wrapped in the mystery that is hidden within the Torah, which can't be changed. You can change the words and letters, but like mathmatics, not the formula.
The only veneration of the virtue of virginity in ancient text were the Goddess driven beliefs of the time. Isis, Diana, Ishtar, Gaia, Mother Earth etc. and, it is very ancient. Many temples were erected to them. Their representatives were the priestess, vestible virgins and seers, like the Oracle of Delphi. Catholics most certainly DID usurped this goddess belief system all over, and killed those who didn't submit to their patriarchal authority. Mary, is introduced only to pacify the masses who still venerated women, giving not a symbol of fertility and power, but of subservience and austerity. Under the Catholic church only men are allowed to dispense grace, hear confession, baptism, communion, etc.
Catholicism uses massive amounts of imagery and symbolism but fails to share their sacred meanings. It's utter brainwashing and a distraction from the truth. Here are some examples of the complexity of the symbolism of the Hebrew language, which was the language that Jesus spoke. Which is the language of the Torah, which your bible is based on. Try to think outside the box and understand the beauty of the religion that Jesus followed.