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President Obama. Good Or Bad?

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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The ONLY time a POTUS is good, is when legislation has a long lasting POSITIVE impact on the majority of citizens.

Start with the 111th Congress (Obama's first 2 years as POTUS).

What, if anything at all, had a long lasting POSITIVE impact on the majority of citizens ?

Might be easier to list the legislation that had a long lasting NEGATIVE impact on the majority of citizens.

NObama's wreckord speaks for itself.

Does the money given to big corporations and big banks including foreign have a positive impact on the majority?

Does all the long term debt imposed upon the majority of citizens (including the unborn) have a positive impact on the majority?

Does the after shocks of higher prices and continuing unemployment have a positive impact on the majority?

Has Obamuh made any Executive Orders that have a positive impact on the majority?




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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I think he's exceptional.
And the times bring the president we need.
I heard members say if you like Obama " you
are for the end of America as we know it "
Pure socialism.
Ridiculous.
Do you know how much crazy left wing legislation Obama
would have to pass to be as commie as Canada ?
And forget about those pinko's in the UK.
Ridiculous.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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the only positive thing i can think of that he has done is a single aspect of his healthcare reform bill crap, which was preventing insurance companies from refusing to cover people for pre-existing conditions.

of course the rest of it was a crock of expletive which not only means more taxes, but also higher costs for insurance.

i would say every president in my adult life has been the worst president of my life, during his respective term. but obama has taken the cake as being substantially worse than his predecessor by a larger margin than say, clinton-bush jr was for instance.

so in closing he is a liar and a bum, and you can take that to the bank.
edit on 9-12-2011 by snarfbot because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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the only positive thing i can think of that he has done is a single aspect of his healthcare reform bill crap, which was preventing insurance companies from refusing to cover people for pre-existing conditions.

of course the rest of it was a crock of expletive which not only means more taxes, but also higher costs for insurance.



The pre existing reform itself did not impact the majority in a positive way.

Good for some, but not the majority.

And that only affects the ones not with employer insurance.

Employer group policies cover everybody employed.

All employees pay the spread rates through deductions and/or lower pay scales.

Good for unemployed people with pre existing conditions ?
How do they pay the premiums ?


The majority is impacted NEGATIVLY with higher costs spread out to the majority.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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You though a conspiracy theory site would give you a fair sampling of what American's think?



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Honestly it is difficult to extricate his performance thus far from his circumstances.

The worst economic crisis since the great depression, the middle east spring, the wars, the global financial crisis, toss in the most divided and viscious political climate in a century and it gets foggy fast.

When I grade him absent the circumstances I give him a C- at best.

When I grade him on a curve...historically unprecedented circumstances, plus...would anyone else have been able to do a better job given what is going on?.....maybe B+.

He is a moderate, apt to compromise..painted as a sell-out by the far left and a socialist by the far right.

He came with ideals that reality restrains him from realizing.

Not the best President in history yet, but the best choice amongst our options in 2008...and even more so in 2012 looking at the GOP field who seems willing to promise anything while giddely abandoning their moderate positions and pandering to the far right...

President Obama might not have done everything he said he would, but if the GOP nominees do everything they say they will...God help us. Rick Perry was ready to eliminate and destroy agencies that he couldn't even name, let alone understand.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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The office of the president has been minimized to the point of no return. The Corporatism and Oligarchy that started under Reagan 30 years ago has been gaining momentum. Now they control Congress and can block any act of legislation they deem unfit, can ramrod through any act or deregulation they desire, they control the Supreme Court and control the electoral process.

Soon it won't matter who is president, they'll still have their way. If the president resists, they'll obstruct him. If the president goes along, they'll push forward in great strides, even foster war with their lies.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Is a puppet good or bad? It all depends on who is pulling the strings.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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we think he's bought and paid for....all that "hope and change" baloney was just to look like the anti-bush....both parties serve the monied interest who put them in office....they care not for "We the People"...this is why the OWS movement is growing. that's it in a nutshell...except for the fact that Obama cant show us a real birth certificate....many believe him to be the illigitimate son of Malcolm X....or a manchurian candidate....to sum it up.....we don't like or trust this man....hope that answered your question...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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He is even worse than Carter. And that's pretty damn bad.

He's just a community organizer who was promoted past his ability level.
He's corrupt. He's a liar. He's inept and useless. He can't make decisions.
He hugs The Muslim Brotherhood while dis'n Americans saying they, 'cling to their guns and religion'.
He's a racist and his Dept of INjustice is racist. Holder stinks.
He's freak'n lazy. Which may be a good thing because at least he isn't around as much - less harm.
He spends and spends and spends ... then whines it's all Bush's fault that our country is broke.
He's a product of the corrupt Chicago policial machine.
He had no business waging a 'nonwar - war' in Libya. NONE.
Everything he does internationally and in business is bad for the USA.
etc etc etc

When our guys found Bin Laden and Obama had to 'sit on the information and think about it' because Bin Ladin was in Pakistan .. that really took the cake. :shk: It had been widely assumed for years and years that Bin Ladin was probably in Pakistan. Finding him there was no surprise. For Obama to say ... "geeee... I'm shocked ... I've gotta take some time to think about this ...." that's INSANE. He just then decided to think about it?? The idiot probably wanted Bin Ladin to get away or something .... wouldn't surprise me at all.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by HumansEh
Sorry to interject (as a non American) but I think Obama will be historically the most important president of the US. in history. I had a blog in 2008 where I supported Obama as possibly the greatest possibility for unifying the United States in its diversity but I also believed that the presidency was merely a window dressing for a government that merely required popular opinion to ease its agenda through the media. I said then and was criticised for it, that Obama would be the greatest gift to the Republican party ever because once in office he would realise quickly how impotent and powerless the office of the presidency actually is.

I believe that Obama is a good man who now knows that idealism and power is contained within the pyramid, not in the golden tip.

He will be most important because under his presidency more people will wake up to the reality of politics than ever before.
Smoke and mirrors, bread and circuses
Obama will probably be the last freely elected president ever.
Yes We Can! (change the golden tip of the pyramid)


You have great writing skills but I don't know if your story holds up. I am not into politics so I cannot mention what Obama has done because I haven't heard anything he has done over the media.

To my belief, I think the government of America assigns a president now and they do not disclose him like the days Truman disclosed Eisenhower, and that's a great reason to understand why I havent heard Obama do anything.

The people who control America have no association with Obama and placed him there for reasons known to themselves. Like the so called 'grey aliens' they do not want to be seen.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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Obama is a puppet, a PR Rep, like all the other presidents that dance to the strings pulled by whoever the puppet masters are.

It's all a big show..............to give the masses the illusion of freedom.

A slave that does not realize he/she is enslaved will never rebel.

A prisoner that never realizes they are imprisoned will never try to escape.

And no, the President isn't the highest office in America..............the banks and big corporations rule.

For God's sake WTF up.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Just so you know, I gave you that first star............you should have about 100 more.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Really well said.

I think Obama was good and bad. He had a lot of great ideas and good plans, but he was ineffective in achieving his goals, mostly because the office of the president doesn't have the power we think it does and secondly, because he tried to be centrist and please everyone. He WANTED to bring the parties together and let that ideology get in his way of accomplishing what he was elected to do. He ended up passing compromised legislation that satisfied no one in his voting base. He was voted in by Democrats and Liberals and then tried to please everyone and failed at both.

If he had made great progress toward ending the war, stopping marriage discrimination, ending lobbying, national health care, investigating George Bush and 9/11, closing Guantanmo, he'd be a very popular president this election. As it is, his loyal voters are looking elsewhere.

Obama isn't evil or even particularly dangerous. He's a very smart man with a lot of good ideas, but I don't think he knew what he was getting into, frankly. I wouldn't mind if he would be given another term, but he'd have to work differently for me to be happy. If Ron Paul's name is anywhere on the ballot, I don't know yet which name I'd choose.


I have to agree with you on almost the entire post. Overall, because the the growing sense of the unilateral presidency Americans have come to regard the president as a more powerful figure than he really is. Obama in my opinion failed overall because of two fronts. First he didn't make enough moves to distance himself from the unilateral presidency view that was established by the previous administration. Secondly, he simply failed to control the dialogue. He was ineffective because of this stance.

The auto bailout was a success, plus the government did not take a complete loss on the stocks. The lost revenue from the unemployed as well as the damage to our infrastructure from a collapse in our manufacturing sector would have crippled our economy and greatly outweighed a couple billion lost. It was better than the bank bailout provided by the Bush administration. Both had to be done yet his had strings attached.

Obama has allowed the republicans to dictate the political dialogue, which would be the biggest blunder of his presidency, underneath is an example

Personally, I'm a proponent of Keynesian economics, I have no problem with government intervention. It is a lesson we learned after the great depression and it is my personal opinion that the policies that followed Reagen led to the bubble effect that has led to economic recessions since the 80's. Unfortunately, he has not addressed the budget issues that are facing this country. This new age republican "wall" defense has completely changed the dynamics and the gentleman's rules have been disregarded from the game. They refuse to compromise on any point yet he still tries to play nice. We cannot sustain government while slashing our tax revenues. Tax cutting policies have proven to be ineffective. Just look at the Bush tax cuts and the minimal job growth. Fact is people have a demand for goods and services, companies will require workers to meet those demands. If they are going overseas it has more to do with foreign trade policies (see NAFTA lol) and underdeveloped countries with a lower skilled/lower paid work force than what we can compete with anyways; not the taxes. The response to raising the debt ceiling was kinda comical with the number of times republicans increase government spending and raised the ceiling under Bush and Reagan administrations. Once again the republicans were able to control the dialogue.

Healthcare reform was coming at some point. The cost has grown beyond the ability of the average person to maintain. It was a bold move that would have been done at an opportune time if we did not have the recession. Unfortunately, there are other pressing matters and it gave the republicans an opportunity to once again control the dialogue, overshadowing the other pressing needs.

University tuition will become similar lightning rod debates in the future. Michigan has already started a few minor debates on limiting assistance for universities with high tuition rate hikes. The secondary education system won't be sustainable at this rate.

On foreign policy, we got Osama Bin Laden, the troops are going to finally be coming home and we really have not had any major incidents. I am curious about the situation along Mexico's border and if it will even be touched prior to the next election. I doubt it will and I am a little surprised it is not a larger focus of foreign policy debates heading into the primaries. Not sexy enough though I consider it to be a growing priority. Overall i would give him a passing grade in this category.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
When our guys found Bin Laden and Obama had to 'sit on the information and think about it' because Bin Ladin was in Pakistan .. that really took the cake. :shk: It had been widely assumed for years and years that Bin Ladin was probably in Pakistan. Finding him there was no surprise. For Obama to say ... "geeee... I'm shocked ... I've gotta take some time to think about this ...." that's INSANE. He just then decided to think about it?? The idiot probably wanted Bin Ladin to get away or something .... wouldn't surprise me at all.


Or there is taking into consideration, that it would be military action into another country that also happens to be a nuclear power. Unfortunately there is red tape that had to be crossed and its common knowledge that Pakistan is not the most cooperative.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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He's a figurehead,nothing more nothing less.Obama is doing the job perfectly he has further polarized the nation but, in the process has awoken more people then we could have ever done.




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