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Bi - Polar and 15 little questions.

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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:50 AM
reply to post by Schkeptick

The UCSD MD head of the Psyciatrist education regarding meds gave us psychologists 30+ hours of instruction on psychoactive drugs. He was only able to give the psychiatrists at UCSD 2-3 hours of such instruction--during their whole training program.

I'd rather a psychiatrist handled such things and that's all that's legal in many jurisdictions. However, a classmate in the Navy at Bethesda prescribed drugs with no problem. I think it depends on a lot of factors and contexts.

I've known of many psychiatrists who I wouldn't want prescribing aspirin. They were typically mindless money-grubbing pill peddlers without any morality or integrity whatsoever. They "saw" their patients for 10 min max and billed to the max. I fiercely deplore such practices.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:55 AM

Originally posted by dontreallyI would DEFINITELY recommend you see a psychiatrist. Don't ask to be recommended. Ask your family doctor for a psychiatrist, she'll give you some names, and go see one.

These idiots don't realize how serious these drugs can be. If you need it, fine, let a psychiatrist help you. Anyone but a trained psychiatrist will blunder in treating you.

Seeing a psychiatrist from a list offered is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE OF QUALITY CARE


I don't know which is more dangerous--a list of psychiatrists or a list of psychologists.

In my experience I'd have to say--MOST OFTEN--a list of psychiatrists. I've known of relatively few who were NOT money-grubbing pill pushers with a calloused insensitivity to their patients' humanity.

Too often traditional psychologists are not greatly better except that they don't push pills.

I'd certainly advocate seeing a quality psychiatrist--but finding one could take some tenacity and persistent searching until they found one that matched her personality and was responsible and caring and would see her for more than 10 min a week or a month.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:56 AM
reply to post by princessgrey

Hello Princessgrey,

I would encourage you to follow advice to see a psychiatrist. I am floored that you were prescribed welbutrin right off the bat. Then prescribed medication following a questionnaire?? To me, that isn't only unethical, it is unprofessional, careless and frankly dangerous. Those medication have serious secondary effects and you should be followed up, which, it seems to me, that the good doctor you have seen has no intention of doing.

When I was diagnosed with depression, I was given medication, which was changed until the right one fit (the fourth one), it was over a two months period and I was followed daily. Daily! But I had a serious psychiatrist helping me out and not just a big pharma pusher like this good doctor you've seen.

After many many months, after feeling better, the psychiatrist slowly cut down on the medication, Now I am free of any medication whatsoever.

Seek a serious practitioner, a psychiatrist. Someone who will care. They do exist.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:09 AM
Reply to post by BO XIAN

How can a psychologist be more harmful than a psychiatrist??? Psychologusts do not have the ability to prescribe medication. They only deal with thought patterns and the like. A bad psychologist could wreak havoc on your psyche.....that could be repaired. However, a bad psychiatrist could prescribe not only the wrong medication but too high a dose and do permanent damage.

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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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Misread your post cant edit from mobile...disreguard....or tear it apart if you would like. It would be a waste of time

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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:52 AM
reply to post by princessgrey

ahhhhh gotta love the corruption...if you feel that strongly mabey you should stay off the pills...I think that's a testament to how the industry is pushing it...try a natural treatment...or talk To a psychiatrist with the understanding that you will not be put on drugs...what ever your doing can't be as bad as those crappy antidepressants lord knows....

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:13 AM
Listen. I you really feel you don't have bi-polar, don't take the meds or at least get a second opinion.

That list would seem to fit most people our age. I am also 24, female.

I recently started seeing a Clinical Psychologist. Reason: I felt like I was near breaking point and was afraid I would lash out at my family. This is all due to the drug use of family members and the lies just drive me insane. I don't want these people in my life, but am forced to live and deal with them and be polite.

I mentioned to him that I have gone through some serious bouts of depression in the past (but considering the things I have been through I would consider it 'understandable') and he immediately told me " Okay, I'm thinking Bi-Polar Disorder". I said- " No way, I am definitely NOT bi-polar! "

He Pre- Diagnosed me with GAD, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, after which I had to take a Psychometric Test/IQ Test, and scored an IQ level of 125. He said that I lost 11 points on the test due to "Shaking and Sweating". He said my score will increase when my GAD is under control. Maybe I could increase it to 135, who knows?

My point is, within the test- some scores correspond to certain disorders. Mine corresponded with GAD, so I now have an Official diagnosis, which is spot on by the way..

They are very quick to jump the gun. Go see different Psychologists, stay away from the Psychiatrists, all they want to do is prescribe you meds.

In my opinion, one should only think of taking meds if it is indeed a chemical imbalance, and cannot be corrected with diet.

As far as my GAD is concerned, he had mentioned medication, but only if treatment ceases to be effective. Treatment meaning- Self expression, art, relaxation exercises, etc. I do know that meds won't make me better. They won't fix me. It's some mental pattern, some unknown fear of something that I need to work through.

Think about it. Don't just shove chemicals down your throat because someone said so.

All the best!

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:11 AM
i also have addiction problems & got the same diagnosis for bipolar disorder. my doc put me on seroquel but i was also self-medicating at the same time. i took meds for almost a year & then decided to just stop taking everything. i've had hardly any problems at all after stopping all the medicines i was taking (it's been about 2 years since i quit). i feel like the seroquel helped me remember how to cope with things but it also made me feel like a zombie all the time & made me gain weight (that dropped off right after quitting). the other stuff i was self-medicating with prior to & during my seroquel treatment was probably causing the majority of my problems to begin with because without it i no longer have mood swings. being completely med free really seems to be the thing that helped me most regardless of what i was diagnosed with.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:45 AM
reply to post by princessgrey

These questions are almost equal to DISC profiles, created by psychologists for doctors to use to determine diagnosis of specific psychological issues, tried, tested and true. While you might find it strange it is common practice, those responding saying it's weird have never had to deal with psychology before and are clueless in my opinion, seems they will find problems with almost anything if you look at their historical postings...

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:47 AM
reply to post by Tripple_Helix

*shakes head*

Why do people who are not doctors, who are diagnosed with issues, giving medical advice? It smacks of bias.

Listen to the Dr., they went to school for nearly a decade for a reason.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 09:17 AM
reply to post by Miraj

Yes, it was my family doctor. I'm now registered on the hosipitals waiting list for a psychologist. Who knows how long that will take though..

I don't know - yesterday this all frazzled me.. today I'm feeling even worse.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 09:21 AM
reply to post by princessgrey

practicing medicine, especially psychiatry is practice when it comes to the correct amounts of a drug or the exact "cocktail" that will help tighten the rubber band of a roller coaster that your emotions may take you on. Your primary care dr may refer you to a specialist for long term care. You will know that it is working when the people who know you compliment you on your pleasant attitude, and when you wake up in the morning you say "im in a great mood"! P.S. hang in there, and caffiene, beer, and nicotine are not good !

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 09:23 AM
reply to post by SonoftheSun

Yes, I was prescribed Wellbutrin the first time I ever went in there - was probably in there for 5-7 minutes.
I didn't notice a difference at all - I felt the same other than I had to take it early in the morning so my sleep pattern got even more screwed up.

She's slowly weening me off it though, so now I'm taking Lamotrigine every morning and Wellbutrin every other day until I'm done that bottle - have a few left. Probably be gone in two weeks or so.

I'm glad to hear that you are feeling better - reading that put a smile on my face.

I'm going to see what I can do about a psychologist, thank you for your kind words.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Tripple_Helix
It's some mental pattern, some unknown fear of something that I need to work through.

This is exactly what I think I've got going on. I don't even know if I really thought that through until I read your statement. It hit me really hard.

Thank you for your kind words and this powerful sentence.

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 09:48 AM
reply to post by princessgrey

Mom: "Hi, my daughter is a drug addict and depressed!"
Doc: "A drug addict you say? Let me prescribe some drugs for her then!"

Sadly, this is such a painful reality. Do me a favour, go outside and run for your life. After you're exhausted, come back here and tell me how you feel...

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 03:16 PM
hi,first post here on ats...i was diagnosed as bipolar grade 2 four years ago after 7 years of trying to get help,and miss diagnosis.i was referred numerous times by gp(doctor) and saw numerous specialists.eventuly it was diagnosed and am now on a dual therapy medication,anti depressents and anti physcotics.its important that you seek a second opinion from a specialist but also monitor your reaction to the meds.anyone on here is irrisponsible to make suggestions about cutting out meds, is important that you at least give them 4 weeks to 'kick in' and inform your gp and let them supervise all changes to medication.accept it as part of your personality and learn to embrace it,rather than the enemy.many suffer's have very good talents,take the time to explore these,but above all educate yourself about it,and understand.i wish you well

posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 11:55 PM
reply to post by acmpnsfal

I don't think that routinely psychologists are likely to be MORE dangerous than psychiatrists. I may have erred in how I worded things. I'll go back and look.

However, there are cases where psychologist, imho, have contributed to demonizations and/or worsening of such states--whether wittingly or unwittingly. I'd call that more dangerous than most drug problems at the hand of most psychiatrists. Though, I think it might be a toss-up. Certainly many drug problems can also have a demonic component, imho.

I realize this assertion will attract derision. Naysayers haven't sat where I've sat in such cases.

posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:35 AM
If your bi-polar, you will know. Lamotrigine is one of the better drugs for treating bi-polar. Better than Depakote, Seroquel, or Lithium. You don't gain weight. You don't get a foggy, zoned out feeling. I find it works. If you know something is up with your moods/anger/depression cycling frequently or in a seasonal pattern, then that's a good clue you are experiencing bi-polar symptoms. It is not an "un-manageable" disorder. It can be very difficult and frustrating at times, causing you to use drugs/alcohol to balance the highs/lows. I quit everything except medical marijuana. Drinking is not good if taking meds! Stay strong, and don't let yourself think your "crazy" or "handicapped" there is a bad social stigma about being bi-polar, but the reality is you can live a successful life while being able to manage the episodes. It takes a lifelong commitment, and isn't something a pill can cure. Don't let people label you as "crazy" or "She's bipolar" the minute you start thinking it you start believing it. Stay strong, hope this info can benefit you.

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