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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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This is GREAT!

Oath Keepers Receive Tip of National Guard Unit Stand-Down, Refusing to Answer Questionnaire Asking if They Would Use Lethal Force Against the American People

OUTSTANDING!! I just left my neighbors house. Devon is with the National Guard for this area. He just got home from a EDRE (emergency deployment readiness exercise) at the armory. He said that during the exercise 3 companies of infantry were polled by questionare about the drill and it’s purpose. One of the questions was, will you as a member of the Nat. Guard use lethal force against the American public if ordered to do so? One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation. Devon said it was like a waterfall, Every member layed their weapons on the deck and fell in beside the one lone specialist. This included ALL NCO’s, STAFF NCO’s and SENIOR NCO’s. The only people left in front of the original formation was 3 Capt’s. 2 Lt’s and the BN Commander who was so upset he started having chest pains from yelling and screaming about court martials and disbandment of the unit into other units.


Epic. Every soldier in the US army needs to do this and tell the fascist gov to stick their illegal orders where they belong.

EDIT : WTF is all I can say!

I just heard from Devon. He was TX’d by his Plt LDR and advised that the Specialist Who first layed down his weapon is being held in county jail by the Bn CMDR, awaiting a hearing under the UCMJ.

Still believe the government wants to be friends with you? The guy shouldn't be in jail, he should be given a medal.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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What is terrifying is that there is a questionaire on this in the first place!!!!!!


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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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The vast majority of military personnel will NOT fire on U.S. citizens. You people really need to quit worrying about U.S. military personnel doing this. It will be Obama's buddies at the U.N. that will start the killing of Americans. The majority of military, military veterans, and law enforcement will NOT let that happen without a fight. We are well armed, and we won't let the blue helmets walk around without fearing for their own lives. Guerrilla tactics in the U.S. will be very bloody for any invading forces.


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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheMindWar
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What is terrifying is that there is a questionaire on this in the first place!!!!!!


My thoughts EXACTLY!!!
Kinda tells you all you really need to know about where this is all headed doesn't it??
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Finally, someone wakes up. I almost was in tears, and I am not even a citizen of your country.
Sorry mods, but the one -liner says it all.


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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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The vast majority of military personnel will NOT fire on U.S. citizens. You people really need to quit worrying about U.S. military personnel doing this.

Well history would prove you wrong time and time again. The Military go against their people 99.9% of the time.

So I think we will play on the safe side and go with history. But thanks for your input.

I do hope history's probabilities will be proven wrong and that the military in large majority will side with the people and refuse the orders.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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I know service men who feel the same. The word has gotten out, the military is on our side which is the way it's suppose to be. Now if only the police would wake up.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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I agree with both of you...how terrifying. This really needs to get out there..so people can see what and why this was even brought forward. Why didn't any of them ask what reason the questionnaire was prepared.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Epic.


I totally agree!

I wasn't sure what I was going to be reading here but I honestly breathed a huge sigh of relief. Thanks Vitchilo S&F for boosting my faith in America, I am glad to see that the hot blood of liberty still pumps through our collective veins after all.

Made my day.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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How times have changed though Vitchilo.

Our military members these days are informed, more so than they ever have been before.

When I was in the military, I always told everyone around me I would never turn my weapon on my own countrymen, ever, and neither would any of my old Marine Corps Buddies.

Our military IS US. We are the military, not the government.

Its funny though, to me, that in the OP, it states that all the Officers were outraged, and the ncos and senior ncos refused. Its kind of like seeing all the kids finally rise up against their parents after realizing the truth.

Our military members dont want war, let alone a war on their own people.
And even if they were ordered to do so, I can almost guarantee that order would not get fullfilled the way they would wish it to happen. It would simply just be too bloody, and it would be the end of this nation, by suicide.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Updated the thread with some disgusting info...


I just heard from Devon. He was TX’d by his Plt LDR and advised that the Specialist Who first layed down his weapon is being held in county jail by the Bn CMDR, awaiting a hearing under the UCMJ.


Seriously, those bastards need to face a court martial for punishing the specialist who did the right thing!



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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This has odd timing. I mean, feels like a hoax. Do we have a copy of this questionaire? I dont get why they need a questionaire. To me the questionaire is the order you give. Im not gonna say its a fake story, but it certainly "feels" too movie like.. We rarely have heros.. So a whole platoon?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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In 3rd world countries, yes. Here, it's different. Despite the Marxist movement to make everyone dependent (slaves) on government, there are still a lot of hard working Americans. Americans who have served or are currently serving. These Americans have family members, friends, and loved ones who they will REFUSE to imprison. Americans who outnumber those who would follow blindly. They are just as well trained, and have access to the exact same equipment. On top of that, (according to Wikipedia) about 25% of the U.S. population owns a firearm. Most of those probably own more than one, and will gladly share with those who are on the right side.

I ask, if you are concerned about this, what are you doing to prepare? Have you armed yourself? If so, have you simply purchased a gun, or have you learned how to use it properly, and with precision? Have you stocked up on food, water, and other supplies?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Well I'm in Canada.



I ask, if you are concerned about this, what are you doing to prepare? Have you armed yourself? If so, have you simply purchased a gun, or have you learned how to use it properly, and with precision?

Yes, but we could all use more and more training.


Have you stocked up on food, water, and other supplies?

Yes, but again, we could always use some more supplies.

I truly hope you are right... nobody sane wants a war, and even less a civil war.

But the government is not stupid, they'll do like the Soviets and send southern troops arrest northern Americans, things like that... they'll hire foreigners and mercenaries if necessary.

And nobody will ``shoot`` anybody, they'll just arrest them.

And once the ``shooting`` starts, it won't be about the constitution or anything, it'll be ``we have to kill these bastards so I protect my fellow soldier``... just like soldiers are thinking right now in Afghanistan... they are not fighting because they believe in the war, they fight to protect their fellow soldiers.


Anyway, I hope enough people realize that all this is BS and the real enemy are the fascists in government and in the banking system. Nobody needs to die over this. Only arrest the criminals, give them a trial and put them in jail forever if found guilty.

No to war, yes to trials.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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They don't send John to round up his wife and kids. They send John to round up Steves wife and kids and Steve to round up Johns telling both men who do not know each other or each others families that their respective targets are enemies of the country.

They will happily follow their orders and do whatever their commanders ask of them because blind allegiance to the force and the country are what matter.

By the time the comparmentalization breaks down enough for Steve and John to figure out what has happened it'll be too late.

Anyone pledging allegiance to any flag or saluting any power structure is a threat to liberty. They are great for hunting boogeymen and maintaining the status quo but they are carcinogenic to freedom.


 
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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This is outstanding! S+F

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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First of all, this just reeks of fiction...something we might see on a movie screen.

Second of all, they refuse to kill people who happen to live on the same land mass that they live on? Whoopdedoo. I suppose this story is food for those who still suffer from the patriotic virus.

Perhaps if they'd refuse to kill people who happen to live on non-USA land masses, then we'd have something to be excited about.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation.


So he answered the poll question and then "refused to take the poll". Sounds like he took the poll and then refused to take a bunch of orders after that.
Does nobody remember the LA riots? Sometimes you have to "fire on Americans" to protect the majority.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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So he answered the poll question and then "refused to take the poll". Sounds like he took the poll and then refused to take a bunch of orders after that.

Nope. He refused to take the poll altogether when the content of it was revealed. And then everybody did the same thing since it was obvious the poll was trying to make the national guard violate their oath. Pretty simple.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
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So he answered the poll question and then "refused to take the poll". Sounds like he took the poll and then refused to take a bunch of orders after that.

Nope. He refused to take the poll altogether when the content of it was revealed. And then everybody did the same thing since it was obvious the poll was trying to make the national guard violate their oath. Pretty simple.


Yeah, it kinda makes you a liability.

What about this guy ?
"Nope, i will not fire on that man. I took an oath i love freedumb"





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