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reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:22 AM by Advantage
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Originally posted by Pockets
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Rather it may have been "hacked" like they originally said.


Who said that?




Both Iranian and US military personnel... I remember reading over 20+ articles about the drone and a few it was hacked.

Edit:
www.emptywheel.net...


Well Iran didnt buy up all of those playstations fer nuthin!

Anyway, I dont think anyone reads articles. The drone wasnt armed and was doing surveillance over the Afghan border.. the handler lost control of it ( bad pilot, jamming, or hacked who knows..) and they didnt know where it went. Then Iran claimed they "shot it down". Probably more realistically it fell out of the sky over the Iranian border. NOT all drones are armed so no, that arent all killers unless it falls out of the sky and lands on your head.


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:23 AM by e11888
reply to post by TheOdogg



This is like giving a computer to a cave man. What are they going to do with it? Probably break it, hit it with a hammer a bit and turn it into a house. Seriously who cares?



reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:31 AM by RMFX1
Originally posted by e11888
reply to
post by TheOdogg



This is like giving a computer to a cave man. What are they going to do with it? Probably break it, hit it with a hammer a bit and turn it into a house. Seriously who cares?


Speaking of cavemen, your comment sure reads like something I would expect to come from one. The Iranians cannot be likened to cavemen in any sense and to do so only shows your ignorance.

Bravo.
edit on 8-12-2011 by RMFX1 because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:36 AM by e11888
Originally posted by RMFX1
Originally posted by e11888
reply to
post by TheOdogg



This is like giving a computer to a cave man. What are they going to do with it? Probably break it, hit it with a hammer a bit and turn it into a house. Seriously who cares?


Speaking of cavemen, your comment sure reads like something I would expect to come from one. The Iranians cannot be likened to cavemen in any sense and to do so only shows your ignorance.

Bravo.
edit on 8-12-2011 by RMFX1 because: (no reason given)


Hi I take everything I read so seriously that I insult others because I cant understand the concept of sarcasm.

Go outside. Get some fresh air.


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:38 AM by tEkAshr
reply to post by TheOdogg



I really think this aircraft can explain a lot of UFO sightings. Even back when the X-Files where around, they always made the UFO's triangle crafts.. and that is what most people see these days too. Could just be these spy planes..
Just a thought


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:41 AM by RMFX1
Originally posted by e11888
Originally posted by RMFX1
Originally posted by e11888
reply to
post by TheOdogg



This is like giving a computer to a cave man. What are they going to do with it? Probably break it, hit it with a hammer a bit and turn it into a house. Seriously who cares?


Speaking of cavemen, your comment sure reads like something I would expect to come from one. The Iranians cannot be likened to cavemen in any sense and to do so only shows your ignorance.

Bravo.
edit on 8-12-2011 by RMFX1 because: (no reason given)


Hi I take everything I read so seriously that I insult others because I cant understand the concept of sarcasm.

Go outside. Get some fresh air.


There is absolutely nothing in your post that indicates that you were being sarcastic. Nothing at all. Not even something like this:

BS, you weren't being sarcastic. Narrow minded and uninformed? Most certainly.


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:50 AM by jimmysinger
This looks to me like there are bigger problems than the US is fessing up to. You don't just 'lose control' of an unmanned drone and lose it outright to the point you don't know where it went. They routinely fly these drones and there are no doubt, redundant safeguards built into them like the before mentioned 'Return to Base' feature.

It is clear to me that the drone was in no way shot down or damaged in flight. Iran has hidden the undercarriage for some reason or another. My guess is the drone belly landed in the desert (perhaps a built in safeguard) and the bottom is banged up. Or maybe Iran doesn't want anyone to know if if belly landed or if perhaps they did in fact 'take control' in flight and hijack it. As it stands from the video, its impossible to know if it landed on a runway or skidded into a field.

Either way, I have no doubt that Iran had a significant role in its landing in Iran instead of wherever it was supposed to. Given that it is pretty stealthy, it shows clearly that we can't sneak into Iran with our conventional Stealth technology. Taking F117, B2, etc... off the table for sneak attacks.

Also, if Iran did 'take control' of this thing in-flight, who is to say that they can't hijack an armed drone and do some damage. Maybe a US drone attack on Israel. Just sayin'...

There are a lot of possibilities here but one thing is clear, they got a hi-tech drone of ours and it didn't simply fall out of the sky and land in 1 piece like that without some very cleaver intervention.


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:01 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by TheOdogg



The way they're describing it sounds like a Fox News understanding of how electronics work.

I'm not exactly bought yet. Also considering that this does not look like the actual thing exactly.


en.wikipedia.org...



I think they shot it down, then created this fabrication to say they captured it.

It takes a long time to train these pilots. I don't imagine them having the on-site skills to hijack it, let alone fly it down.
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reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:03 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by majesticgent



I don't see a mole, because the craft looks awkwardly different from the actual design. I smell a fabrication.


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:07 PM by ken10
reply to post by Gorman91



Sorry, But aren't you comparing it to an artists impression on Wiki ?


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:12 PM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by TheOdogg
reply to
post by dplum517



Self destruct seems like a very good idea indeed, I guess they always hope to get them back .... even if they crash...



Hacking is an interesting point.. I fly drones for a living and hacking would be difficult. If these drones are like preds then they are controlled through satellites and local control. Local control for takeoff and landing and then handed to sat control. I don't think they would have the capability to hack through satellites since we can control that, but then 128bit encryption or better makes hacking through local control hard too, not to mention these babies are most likely flown by using advance software/interface (that they would need to have to control it) in a full up cockpit control environment.

Many UAVs have lostcom logic where they fly back home and auto land based on timers in the logic, so I'm not sure about this one but it is safe to assume if it lost com link it would fly home and land, so whether it lost link to jamming or equipment failure would not prevent it from flying home using onboard logic. I truly doubt they have the means to get it and then safely land it, and this bring up what could have happen....

If the aircraft was on a recon mission in Iran and had an engine failure it could easily have been flown to glide and land at some location where the Iranians got to it first.....

So my vote is it had an engine failure during a recon mission in Iran

Most likely some camel herder chained it to a tree to prevent it from escaping until the authority got there. That is about as advance as it gets for them....
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reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:17 PM by FrankieNinja
reply to post by Gorman91



As a career aviator (aircraft technician) I have to agree with you. This "drone" is NOT the real thing. I am not buying it for one second. First of all, the intake is incongruent with the actual design. Seondly, it looks MUCH more like a mock-up than an actual craft and third, if it were the real thing, then one would think it would have a self destruct mechanics (like many NASA rockets have in the event of catastrophic failure) and finally, if it IS the real thing, then I woud have to be inclined to believe in the "trojan horse" theory. Good post!


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:18 PM by majesticgent
reply to post by Xtrozero



Unless a double agent gave them the cipher to break the encryption? Then it would be possible to hack the local landing mode?
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