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Originally posted by sir_slide
reply to post by angellicview
Really nice work on the presentation. Star and flag of course.
I am a big believer in the higher realms of human consciousness and I am certain, based on my own experiences that the soul is transported out of the body when you die, and it goes to the astral realms, where mind meets matter so to speak, this is the place that souls who are not currently in a physical form inhabit. When people speak of moving towards the light, this is literally what happens, a light appears, and the soul needs to consciously decide to enter it, upon entering it you are literally transported to the higher realms.
This is a reason that you should not fear death, ever. It is just as natural as life, and once you have experienced what lies beyond you will no longer worry about the petty day to day bickering that seems to engulf us all. Thanks again for the thread, we need to break down these barriers and help people understand the true nature of this physical reality, which is a lot stranger than you could ever imagine.
Originally posted by zenmon
Excellent forum....thank you all so much. It's interesting and very understandable that the scientific community and people in general think that the dying processes may have something to do with '___' being released into our systems at the time of death to make the experience more lucid. I imagine this does happen if one were to die in a peaceful manner......makes good sense. However, I was killed in a traumatic accident and my soul was separated from my body at the moment of impact......my consciousness exploded from my body and traveled almost instantaneously into the cosmos. It was the most beautiful and most terrifying experience I could possibly imagine. Super speeds, overwhelming sensations but at the same time, natural for us. I could see very much the same way as we do now but much, much more brilliantly....nothing was solid but instead luminous and flowing energy......it was absolutely brilliant. There are no thoughts, only intentions. I am positive about the separation of body and spirit because I had to make a strong effort (will-intent) to get back into my body........it was an intense process to experience my soul illuminating my body atom by atom, cell by cell and becoming one with the physical form again. There is no question in my mind that you actually become alive after physical death but it is really a hard concept to communicate as most won't embrace this without experiencing something like this and that is completely understandable. I wouldn't either
Originally posted by overratedpatriotism
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by TupacShakur
It's called '___', an extremely powerful hallucinogen/psychedelic that your brain releases massive amounts of upon death. This would account for reported near death experiences.
Except this isnt true at all.
Dr Rick Strassman, the authority on all things '___', and author of "The Spirt Molecule", has debunked this himself. And i quote:
Quoted from Erowid vault and an interview with Dr Strassman
"I did my best in the '___' book to differentiate between what is known, and what I was conjecturing about (based upon what is known), regarding certain aspects of '___' dynamics. However, it's amazing how ineffective my efforts seem to have been. So many people write me, or write elsewhere, about '___', and the pineal, assuming that the things I conjecture about are true. When I was writing the book, I thought I was clear enough, and repeating myself would have gotten tedious.
"We don't know whether '___' is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. There are data suggesting urinary '___' rises in psychotic patients when their psychosis is worse. However, we don't know whether '___' rises during dreams, meditation, near-death, death, birth or any other endogenous altered state. To the extent those states resemble those brought on by giving '___', it certainly makes one wonder if endogenous '___' might be involved, and if it were, it would explain a lot. But we don't know yet. Even if the pineal weren't involved, that would have little overall effect on my theories regarding a role for '___' in endogenous altered states, because we do know that the gene involved in '___' synthesis is present in many organs, particularly lung. If the pineal made '___', it would tie up a lot of loose ends regarding this enigmatic little organ. But people seem to live pretty normals lives without a pineal gland; for example, when it has had to be removed because of a tumor.
"In both these regards--the pineal-'___' connection, and endogenous '___' dynamics--we ought to know a lot more within the next several years due to the efforts of a research group being led by Steven Barker at Louisiana State University. He, with his grad student Ethan McIlhenny, are developing a new super-assay for '___', 5-MeO-'___', bufotenine, and metabolites. This assay will be capable of detecting those compounds much more sensitively than previous generations of assays. They're looking at endogenous levels in awake sober normals, to assess baseline values of these compounds. We should have some data from those samples within a year. They also will be looking at pineal tissue. Once we have some baseline data in normal humans in normal waking consciousness, comparisons can be made between those levels and levels in endogenous altered states, like dreams, near-death, and so on."
So yeah. All taken out of context and no proof whatsoever of the amount of '___' available in our bodies being enough to cause any kind of "trip". Nor has it been proven that the penial can produce it at all in the first place.
Thanks for that quote, I will have to look that up later. As much as people talk about '___' people just accepted it as truth. without any solid evidence.
Originally posted by sir_slide
I have evidence although it cannot be scientifically proven, therefore it doesn't exist, and has never. This kind of thinking is backwards, science cannot answer a great deal and while we put our faith in it, many things simply escape us. Scientists are kind of stuck in this sense, in order to be respected you cannot deviate from the norm, if you want to get funding you certainly dont partake in scientifically taboo subjects, this is why we suck, we hold onto outdated beliefs because they fit our THEORY, that is all.
Originally posted by sir_slide
Originally posted by overratedpatriotism
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by TupacShakur
It's called '___', an extremely powerful hallucinogen/psychedelic that your brain releases massive amounts of upon death. This would account for reported near death experiences.
Except this isnt true at all.
Dr Rick Strassman, the authority on all things '___', and author of "The Spirt Molecule", has debunked this himself. And i quote:
Quoted from Erowid vault and an interview with Dr Strassman
"I did my best in the '___' book to differentiate between what is known, and what I was conjecturing about (based upon what is known), regarding certain aspects of '___' dynamics. However, it's amazing how ineffective my efforts seem to have been. So many people write me, or write elsewhere, about '___', and the pineal, assuming that the things I conjecture about are true. When I was writing the book, I thought I was clear enough, and repeating myself would have gotten tedious.
"We don't know whether '___' is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. There are data suggesting urinary '___' rises in psychotic patients when their psychosis is worse. However, we don't know whether '___' rises during dreams, meditation, near-death, death, birth or any other endogenous altered state. To the extent those states resemble those brought on by giving '___', it certainly makes one wonder if endogenous '___' might be involved, and if it were, it would explain a lot. But we don't know yet. Even if the pineal weren't involved, that would have little overall effect on my theories regarding a role for '___' in endogenous altered states, because we do know that the gene involved in '___' synthesis is present in many organs, particularly lung. If the pineal made '___', it would tie up a lot of loose ends regarding this enigmatic little organ. But people seem to live pretty normals lives without a pineal gland; for example, when it has had to be removed because of a tumor.
"In both these regards--the pineal-'___' connection, and endogenous '___' dynamics--we ought to know a lot more within the next several years due to the efforts of a research group being led by Steven Barker at Louisiana State University. He, with his grad student Ethan McIlhenny, are developing a new super-assay for '___', 5-MeO-'___', bufotenine, and metabolites. This assay will be capable of detecting those compounds much more sensitively than previous generations of assays. They're looking at endogenous levels in awake sober normals, to assess baseline values of these compounds. We should have some data from those samples within a year. They also will be looking at pineal tissue. Once we have some baseline data in normal humans in normal waking consciousness, comparisons can be made between those levels and levels in endogenous altered states, like dreams, near-death, and so on."
So yeah. All taken out of context and no proof whatsoever of the amount of '___' available in our bodies being enough to cause any kind of "trip". Nor has it been proven that the penial can produce it at all in the first place.
Thanks for that quote, I will have to look that up later. As much as people talk about '___' people just accepted it as truth. without any solid evidence.
I have evidence although it cannot be scientifically proven, therefore it doesn't exist, and has never. This kind of thinking is backwards, science cannot answer a great deal and while we put our faith in it, many things simply escape us. Scientists are kind of stuck in this sense, in order to be respected you cannot deviate from the norm, if you want to get funding you certainly dont partake in scientifically taboo subjects, this is why we suck, we hold onto outdated beliefs because they fit our THEORY, that is all.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Not sure if this has been posted so far, but this is one of the best cases of NDE I’ve seen. The women in the video experiences full memory recall, of objects, and discussions taking place, while she was in a brain dead state. I don’t think '___' can account for this particular case.
- JC