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Pam heard and reported later what the nurses in the operating room had said and exactly what was happening during the operation. At this time, every monitor attached to Pam's body registered "no life" whatsoever. At some point, Pam's consciousness floated out of the operating room and traveled down a tunnel which had a light at the end of it where her deceased relatives and friends were waiting including her long-dead grandmother. Pam's NDE ended when her deceased uncle led her back to her body for her to reentered it. Pam compared the feeling of reentering her dead body to "plunging into a pool of ice."
Vicki was born blind, her optic nerve having been completely destroyed at birth because of an excess of oxygen she received in the incubator. Yet, she appears to have been able to see during her NDE. Her story is a particularly clear instance of how NDEs of the congenitally blind can unfold in precisely the same way as do those of sighted persons. As you will see, apart from the fact that Vicki was not able to discern color during her experience, the account of her NDE is absolutely indistinguishable from those with intact visual systems.
Dr. PMH Atwater responds to the argument that experiencers do not bring back anything useful: DR. PMH ATWATER: Not true! A fellow in, I believe it was Sweden, went on to copyright over a hundred inventions that have made a significant difference in society. Mellen-Thomas Benedict invented a glasscutter that alleviates much hand fatigue in accordance to directions he received in his experience. In fact, Mellen-Thomas participated in a number of medical research projects, and because of the information he gave the researchers, they were able to advance their work significantly. He is now doing DNA research and working on instruments that can help physicians use certain frequencies of light in healing. These are just a few of many.
Aspects of quantum physics which supports NDE concepts include the properties of light, a multi-dimensional reality, zero point, quantum interconnectivity, quantum consciousness, quantum synchronicity, space and time interconnectivity, time travel, teleportation, non-locality, singularities and the concept of subjectivity.
Rev. George Rodonaia underwent one of the most extended cases of a near-death experience ever recorded. Pronounced dead immediately after he was hit by a car in 1976, he was left for three days in the morgue. He did not "return to life" until a doctor began to make an incision in his abdomen as part of an autopsy procedure. Prior to his NDE he worked as a neuropathologist. He was also an avowed atheist. Yet after the experience, he devoted himself exclusively to the study of spirituality, taking a second doctorate in the psychology of religion.
Many people were given visions of the future during their near-death experience. Generally, these visions foretell a future of catastrophic natural disasters and social upheaval followed by a new era of peace and have actually already come to pass. Some of them did not happen as foretold. Many of these apocalyptic visions are to happen within the next few decades. Remarkably, these visions agree with prophecies of the Bible, Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, and the Virgin Mary visitations of Fatima, Garabandal, and Medjugorje.
These are rare, but they do occur. With this kind, a whole group of people simultaneously seems to experience the same or similar episode. What makes these so spectacular and challenging is that all or most of the experiencers see each other actually leave their bodies as it happens, then dialogue with each other and share messages and observations while still experiencing the near-death state. Their separate reports afterward either match or nearly so. Reports like these emerge most often from events of a harrowing nature that involve a lot of people.
Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by angellicview
Your misusing the word "scientific". If NDE's were scientific you could repeatably test them. They are nothing more than personal experiences that science can not verify.
Following your logic, a man could claim to talk to Zeus and this would be scientific evidence of the Greeks gods.
Originally posted by TupacShakur
It's called '___', an extremely powerful hallucinogen/psychedelic that your brain releases massive amounts of upon death. This would account for reported near death experiences.
The scientific evidence shows that when your brain shuts off, your body stops functioning. You stop thinking, you stop perceiving your surroundings-- you're just dead. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Could there be more to it than that? Sure, but from a scientific standpoint, you just trip balls on '___' and die.edit on 7-12-2011 by TupacShakur because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Nosred
- "Near Death Experiences"
- Science
Pick one.
Originally posted by Samuelis
well done, I think NDE's will become more accepted by science in the future. The sheer number of comparible NDE's is overwhelming. "the burden of proof" by Deepak Chopra is one of the best books I've read about this subject.
edit on 7-12-2011 by Samuelis because: spelling and grammer
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by angellicview
How can you disagree with that? It's a hallucinogen, meaning that it would produce hallucinations, meaning that if people would end up not dying, they would report having visions or whatever. That explains it pretty accurately.
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by angellicview
How can you disagree with that? It's a hallucinogen, meaning that it would produce hallucinations, meaning that if people would end up not dying, they would report having visions or whatever. That explains it pretty accurately.
Originally posted by angellicview
You would have to read the OP and click the links to see where the scientific evidence is.
Originally posted by Nosred
Originally posted by angellicview
You would have to read the OP and click the links to see where the scientific evidence is.
Again,
- NDE's
- Science
Pick one.
Doped up witness testimonies are not science.
People react differently to drugs, but sometimes they have similar experiences. Ask any person who's used hallucinogens more than a couple of times, and they'll probably describe a person they're with having an eeriely similar experience. I can think of three people who have told me that off the top of my head, it's not very uncommon.
How do countless people experience the same "experience"? Wouldn't a hallucination be more random and disorderly?