I've had it "the poor don't pay taxes" lies

Less than 50% of Americans pay federal income tax because the entire workforce is only around 120 million while the population is around 320 million. The people not paying income taxes are our children, retired parents, grand parents, housewives, etc - all who have no income to tax.

And those tables that show the top percentage earners paying most all the taxes.. yeah they do as a whole, because that's how percentages work - you have the biggest slice of the pie then 10% of your slice is going to dwarf 10% of the smallest slice - that will never change even with a flat tax. It's a meaningless statistic. The top tax rate on income is 35%, and that's only on the portion of income above $373,000. They pay exactly the same rate of tax as everyone else from $0-$373,000. I hope you all understand that, they pay EXACTLY the same tax rate as everyone else and that's how it should be. All of the fluff about them paying more is as much baloney as the bottom 47% somehow 'cheating' by not paying taxes.

The poor shouldn't be paying federal income taxes, and the rich should be paying more for them.

Federal income taxes are used to pay for defense, law enforcement, community development, and federal government operations.

www.irs.gov...

The poor pay their share in taxes for defense with blood, the poor are who are targeted by law enforcement, community development benefits business owners much more than the poor, and the federal government constantly works beside the rich to help make them more rich through pork-barrel programs, improvement of infrastructure, and providing contracts.

If the federal government is your business partner, you should be shelling out money to them, but if it serves as your second boss, then you most certainly do not want to support that with your money.

reply to post by The Old American



ya know, maybe I am wrong, but it seems that the majority of the money that they gov't and our fed has been shelling out has been used to save those investments???

since so much of our money has been used to insure that those investments retain their wealth, well, ya, maybe it's only proper that it be paid for by those who have benefitted by the gov'ts attempts to prevent those investments turning to crap, since it seems to be the only thing that our gov't has even shown a modest success at doing!!!

after all I know lots of people who are near poor, guess what, they didn't buy houses, they didn't invest in derivitives, or anything like that. if they are lucky they might have an ira with a modest balance on it!!!

reply to post by dawnstar


Wjy not just take 20 dollars out and put it in a savings account and you get to keep that money till they end of the year instead of give the govt a free loan.

The wealthy will always say the poor don't pay taxes. But they never say anything about how the wealthy are the reason why they don't pay taxes. The poor get back what they pay in because of the earned income tax credit the poor can use this because they are living below the poverty level. So if the wealthy wants to stop whining about about the poor paying no taxes then the companies the wealthy own needs to start paying their employees a higher salary. This won't happen because 100 million in profit isn't as good as 110 million in profit.

I know I pay more then my fair share of taxes. I am 24 and live with my wife (who doesn't work because i don't believe she should have to) in rural Wv and make about 32000$ a yr before taxes. So out of that the Fed takes about 20% the state takes their share plus SS and whatever else. And then on top of that im paying more taxes on gas(WV has some of the highest fuel taxes) to drive almost 200 miles a day. a tax on my internet, TV, phone, alcohol, tobacco, property tax on property i own, tax on my car.... it goes on and on and what it comes down to is I'm taxed to death and have about 50$ a week left for what they call "disposable income" how can people say the poor or lower middle class dont pay taxes

The way I see it this "statistic" is designed to be divisive and invoke an emotional response.

How many times have we seen it misquoted as "47% don't pay taxes"? If questioned the "mistake" will always be corrected. But, the intent is that sometimes it will slip past without being corrected.

Even in this thread where people are discussing the nuances of what it means the truth is being lost in a sea of statistics and counter statistics.

While left and right are arguing their dogma, we are all being robbed.

You know, the IRS and income tax was supposed to be temporary. I would call my self POOR and I pay a SH## load of taxes. What are they doing with all of my money?

They spend all of the money they have
They borrow all of the money they can from us (zero interest tax returns) and our banks
Then... They have to borrow money from other countries....

WTF is wrong with our government.. If I did that, id be screwed, but if they do it they can print money and say its quanative easing or whatever BS they are calling it..

If I print money, I go to prison.

reply to post by The Old American

Which is exactly why raising the tax rate on the rich is a ridiculous plan.

and only idiots would promote that plan. What people are ACTUALLY saying is those at the top who can afford to pay their taxes and not become homeless, are the ones getting less audits and getting tax credits and breaks, while the people at the bottom, those actually putting money INTO the economy by spending it each month, are taxed MORE, get less breaks and have seen their audits increase in the past 10 years.

This silly game of putting words into peoples mouth isn't going to work forever, taxing "the rich" isn't the answer. breaks for those who don't need them, while recouping the losses by taxing the hell out of those with little income, is the problem.

Beyond that, this whole OWs deal isn't talking about you and your small business, they are talking about multi billion dollar corporations playing the game likes pros, not you. They want YOU to keep more of your money and be as greedy as you want, as long as the playing field is level.

Joe six pack spends his entire paycheck at walmart. This helps the economy (kinda) because his money goes into the system, gets taxed, produces demand for products, which inturn create or sustain jobs.

Captain CEO of billiondollar.org doesn't spend his money at wall mart, he invests it in off shore accounts where he can reap the profits without being taxed, putting very little back into the system.

the poor pay taxes and the "rich" pay taxes, it's the corporations that don't, and that's the problem.

Guess I'm a commie leftist pinko so you can just ignore anything I saw from this point on because I'm too busy working my nuts off to pay off hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans while trying to get enough savings to purchase a home, to give any more time to your conservative insanity.

Originally posted by sd211212
reply to post by dawnstar

 

Why not just take 20 dollars out and put it in a savings account and you get to keep that money till they end of the year instead of give the govt a free loan.

I thought that was what Social Security was for when you turn 65 or what, now it's a 100?

I get a statement 4 times a year telling me I've already paid in the Max amount to recieve Max benifits I'm eligible for.

WTF does THAT mean? I'm qualified for 1200 bucks a month after they without held over $50k? Where's my interest on the dough they withheld?

Give me money, I'll invest it and we'll call it even. I plan on working until I'm DEAD, so I guess I won't back any return on my investment.

Gee thanks.

I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the EIC (Earned Income Credit). Some people are rewarded handsomely for lending the Government their money for the year. Several years ago, my Sister and her two kids lived with me for awhile. She wasn't working and had no income. The Father of her kids was paying $160 per month in child support. At the end of the year, he was able to claim both kids on his income tax and get a $3600 refund. In the mean time I was paying the bills and couldn't even claim "Head of Household" on my taxes.

I'll go with the 47% pays no FEDERAL income tax number.

reply to post by JIMC5499


How much did she spend on her children in that year in clothese, food, meds, toys, education, etc? If it was the total of her refund that is child abuse. Are you perhaps not taking into account how expensive children are just to have?

reply to post by Algernonsmouse


She lived with me and other than welfare she had no income. I paid the majority of expenses that you mentioned. He didn't live with me and other than paying the State $160 per month, he had NO expenses asociated with his children. The EIC money was HIS.

Originally posted by mugger
I've had it with the government taxing everyone out their wazoo. the poor get it as everyone else. Cigarettes, gas. alcohol, to name a few. Time to put our government back in their rightful place.

I agree with you on this. We will have to cut some spending though if we want to cut taxes. Oh wait, didn't some conservative Congress people say that?

It is a ponzi scheme, in a ponzi scheme. EXAMPLE:
The farmer pays to buy seeds for tobacco. The seeds are taxed. The farmer pays taxes on the land he farms the tobacco. The farmer plows the field. The gas he uses gets taxed. The farmer waters the seeds. The electric pump is taxed on the amount of electricity is used. Farmer gathers his crop. The gas he used gets taxed. Farmer takes his crop to sale. Farmer gets taxed on his crop. Farmer gets more seeds,and gets taxed. Tobacco sent to processing plant. Gas used to transport is taxed. Tobacco is processed in plant. Electricity/gas used in processing tobacco plant is taxed. Tobacco is put in ciggaretts and shipped out. GAS used is taxed. Buisness gets taxed to sell cigs. That tax is transferred to you the customer and then you pay an additional tax, when you buy the pack of ciggarets. And if the ciggarets get shipped over seas, there is another tax for shipping.
Now, guess how many times tobacco got taxed to make this product. Tax, on tax, on tax, on tax and more tax. You cain't take a sh# without getting taxed. Everything you do in your daily routine at home, has a tax connected to it. THINK ABOUT IT. Everything you touch,see,smell,taste has some sort of tax that was put on it, when that product was made. Thats alot of TAX. You talking some hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars, no lie.

Originally posted by sd211212
reply to post by dawnstar

 

Wjy not just take 20 dollars out and put it in a savings account and you get to keep that money till they end of the year instead of give the govt a free loan.

we live paycheck to paycheck and have property tax, vehicle tax, all coming at us at the same time as the income tax. it was either last year, or the year before, we fell short and didn't have the money to give to uncle sam.....
I'd rather let them hold a little of my money than pay the service charge to have them arrange "monthly payments", which we paid off the next month....
bank account gives you a little over one percent interest....they charge, is you counted it as interest was way above that!!!
no thanks!!!

reply to post by JIMC5499


if she had gotten it, she would have had to turn it over to social service anyways I believe......

sure she didn't get a cut for allowing the father to get it, and not tell you??

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


I agree with you on this. We will have to cut some spending though if we want to cut taxes. Oh wait, didn't some conservative Congress people say that?

ya, unfortunately, their next statement was....

hey, let's start another war!!!

Originally posted by Wildbob77
When people say that 47% of the US population doesn't pay Federal Income tax, that is exactly what it means.

Sure they still pay sales tax.

But they don't pay Federal Income tax. That's it.

I hate to be the one to burst your ignorant bubble: But the Federal Income tax isn't the only tax people pay. There is medicare and social security taxes. State taxes, State sales taxes, item specific taxes and surcharges. Gas tax,hmm also inflation robbery.

The thing is, when they formulate who pays taxes the most, they ignore all the lovely deductions the rich get. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the rich celebrities are adoption crazy because of the tax deductions.

And since a good deal of the money Congress spends is "borrowed money", well the poor pay the heaviest price via inflation taxation.

Take a good look at this Federal Income Tax: If it was working as intended, only 25% of the country would be paying it. As it was designed to be a "Soak the Rich" Tax. But good old commie/socialist FDR pushed through the payroll deduction law. Extending the tax onto everyone else in the most intrusive and insidious way possible. Sure people that are at or below the poverty line dont pay taxes "per se", but they still have to do the whole payroll with-holding. And that is a real tax.

As it enables the US to get both an interest free loan from the citizenry and to collect interest on said monies.

Originally posted by dawnstar

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


I agree with you on this. We will have to cut some spending though if we want to cut taxes. Oh wait, didn't some conservative Congress people say that?

ya, unfortunately, their next statement was....

hey, let's start another war!!!

Stop mixing neo-conservatives with conservatives. Neo Conservatives are really just liberals who got mugged one too many times. Authoritarian leftist's who only pretend to be Conservative.