Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations, page
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Topic started on 7-12-2011 @ 04:52 PM by jibeho
Every day is a new day and every document dump brings about new information. We have been discussing this scheme since this story first broke months ago. Here you go folks in THEIR own words.

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.


Here it is "Demand Letter 3"

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."


Law never passed by Congress seems okay to the ATF...
On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed. ATF counters that it has reasonably targeted guns used most often to "commit violent crimes in Mexico, especially by drug gangs."


Reaction.
On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.

"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.

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Unacceptable is an understatement!! Holder and others should be behind bars and our illustrious president should be impeached. What more is it going take to see heads start to roll here. I am just stunned.
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reply posted on 7-12-2011 @ 06:41 PM by jibeho
Originally posted by hangedman13
Of course they would try to use this mess to try and enact more gun control laws. Other than making somebody money, I can see no other reason for F&F. Although this could no blow up in their faces. link Now the left needs to stop with this "republican witch hunt" BS and start looking at what the administration is doing!



Agreed! While the main media players seem to focus on the GOP flavor of the week, CBS surprisingly ran this story. Not sure if it will hit their evening news cast though.




reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 12:46 AM by spirit_horse
reply to post by CosmicCitizen


Absolutley! And there needs to be a serious look at treason charges. This is the same crowd of corrupt politicians that were running around Chicago with Blagovich (got his today) and the rest of them. How did anyone expect the corruption wouldn't rise to astonishing new levels from these losers!


reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 07:40 AM by TreadUpon
A conspiracy doubter begins to smell what the DoJ is cookin....HE RE.

Fast and Furious appears to be a bottomless pit of breathtaking stupidity and inexplicable incompetence. To use a program that the ATF knew was killing people to gain crass political advantage in a debate over gun control is just mind boggling - until you remember who is running the country. Read more: www.americanthinker.com...


Who has eyes to see? Who has ears to hear?
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reply posted on 8-12-2011 @ 11:01 AM by sicksonezer0
reply to post by sonnny1


Treason is the key word here.

Any elected official who holds public office paid for by the taxpayers, that is directly responsible for the murder of a uniformed individual by intentional policy that was attempted to be covered up should be charged with treason.

See Sedition



reply posted on 9-12-2011 @ 10:01 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by hangedman13
Of course they would try to use this mess to try and enact more gun control laws. Other than making somebody money, I can see no other reason for F&F. Although this could no blow up in their faces. link Now the left needs to stop with this "republican witch hunt" BS and start looking at what the administration is doing!


That was the strategy BEFORE Fast & Furious happened.

Smear the gun dealers. Attack the 2nd amendment.

It all went wrong. Now Eric Holder and Obama have blood on their hands.

We may have to impeach Holder if he continues to stonewall the U.S. Congress.

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