MESSED UP: Writer from "Famly Guy" TV Show Details His Arrest at Occupy LA

It keeps surprising me how brutal the American government can be, towards it's own citizens I mean. That is it brutal against the rest of the world we already knew of course.. Absolutely amazing.

What seems a little odd to me is....a propagandist for the PTB was rolled over by....


the Powers That Be. Is this what they call collateral damage?

reply to post by CREAM


Well i must say that the attitudes of police aand some violent protestors are un called for, seth mc farlen is a verry rude and offencive person, i stopped watching his shows after some of the offencive things hes said about transgender people, gays and lesbians and also some popular people in scociety thats been bellow the belt comments and remarks and depictations, and i think you should be ashamed for helping make some of the things he has come up with, all that aside, if protestors show a abscence of violence in their protest then its those like police who slash tents and so forth who will look like the agressors, im all for OWS and the rest of the global movement but sitting in parks is not going to fix it! be tactical not just disruptive, try a court room and advocating for the cause that OWS stands for.

it's great to see some former , possibly involuntary contributors to the system (which doesn't strip them of the respect and love i hold for every living being) are starting to see its real face at last .

yes yes, lets use the "system" we all know it's broken and slanted towards those with Money. But lets use that.

Lets all protest until someone in the Gov. decides no more, then let us all shut up.

Lets all vote and make a change even though your vote can and IS manipulated.


If I want to drive my car to work but it has flat tire yes by all means lets drive it till the rims are dust.

if it's BROKEN that means it does NOT WORK

if it DOES NOT WORK, why try to make it work using the same things that are broken??

Somedays I wonder who turns the PC on for some folks here

Originally posted by Strype

Originally posted by PrimalRed
Considering they had a 72 hour warning that got stretched another couple days then 2 hours of warnings before the police said they would move in, i do not feel sorry for those people at all. They were pretty much asking for it.

A 72 hour warning of what? That police would be in the area? They weren't do anything wrong. There is nothing illegal about joining hands around a tent in a park.

In fact, there certainly is.

Public property is for ALL the public.

Otherwise, I would move to Central Park and build a mansion right in the middle of it, hire a security force to keep people off my new property, and sue NYC for putting all those benches and sidewalks through my lot.

Harte

Originally posted by PrimalRed
reply to post by CREAM

 

Because any force done by police is considered excessive force, no matter what the police did people would complain. This time the entire raid on OWS LA was streamed live, there was no excessive force by any reality based standard.

Not true. There are Police at every protest in America, and they take plenty of action that is not considered to be an abuse of peoples freedoms and rights.
There are numerous instances of the Police actually doing their jobs, not attacking innocent people, simply trying to limit the inconvenience to others...

When excessive force is used, it should be reported, it should be filmed, it should be discussed. And just because you don't agree with what the people are protesting about doesn't mean they deserve fewer rights than you.

I think you need to take another look at your hypocritical sig, you demand the right to have your opinion, while expressing the desire to limit the freedoms of others when their actions don't affect you at all.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Strype

Originally posted by PrimalRed
Considering they had a 72 hour warning that got stretched another couple days then 2 hours of warnings before the police said they would move in, i do not feel sorry for those people at all. They were pretty much asking for it.

A 72 hour warning of what? That police would be in the area? They weren't do anything wrong. There is nothing illegal about joining hands around a tent in a park.

In fact, there certainly is.

Public property is for ALL the public.

Otherwise, I would move to Central Park and build a mansion right in the middle of it, hire a security force to keep people off my new property, and sue NYC for putting all those benches and sidewalks through my lot.

Harte

So, using your logic, every time a state or government allows an event to be held, put up a stage, allow markets etc, you can DEMAND that they be removed because it is public land for use by ALL.

Where are the Police enforcing this common use of public land for use by all citizens without any inconvenience when there's a state-sanctioned event taking place?

The next time you see a market stall on a piece of public land, a fair, a concert etc, you should try using that imaginary legislation these states have created out of thin air and see just how quick the Police are to clear it for you.

Originally posted by BadNinja68

Originally posted by PrimalRed
Considering they had a 72 hour warning that got stretched another couple days then 2 hours of warnings before the police said they would move in, i do not feel sorry for those people at all. They were pretty much asking for it.

In what way did they ask to be assaulted and illegally apprehended?
Yep it is illegal for anyone INCLUDING a LEO to use inappropriate force.

The ONLY excuse for police Violence is Violence... and there was none.
No excuse at all.

Untrained, unskilled, unthinking cops in action...as is the norm.

I think OWS protesters should start putting cops on their backs and telling THEM to explain it to the judge.

Oh they had plenty of training and skill, believe that.

reply to post by CREAM


While I don't agree with the OWS movement, let this be a warning to ALL American citizens should martial law ever be imposed in any city, town or settlement. I would encourage all members here to learn how to use a firearm for personal safety.

The times are a changing and the future is bleak, not bright.

Originally posted by The Great Day
What seems a little odd to me is....a propagandist for the PTB was rolled over by....


the Powers That Be. Is this what they call collateral damage?

Ha!

I agree. But we need to encourage every comrade to support the revolution. The more traitors and enablers that see the light the better.

reply to post by MrWendal

Let me guess, you still think everyone at these Occupy Protest is jobless to? This should be a newflash for you... but if you are a writer for a highly successful sitcom on Primetime TV, you are not exactly struggling to pay your bills. You are also not "rich" either. Does this tell you anything at all? Furthermore... people have a right to peacefully protest. If you do not like it, too bad. Rights are not given to us from any authority. We are born to them. Just like having a right to breathe, no one has a right to take that away. So that 72 hour warning, plus the extra couple days added to the extra 2 hours of warning before Police moved in, means nothing. Police have no right to infringe upon the rights of peaceful people. What Police have is take an Oath of Honor. What they have is what is known as Law Enforcement Code of Ethics which says,

You must be new here. There is a tactic a few of these guys use, specifically the one you are wasting your breath on. They like to claim ignorance of the basics and derail whatever discussion is taking place by having each and every poster explain OWS to them, again and again.

Dude already knows those protesters have a constitutionally protected right to peacefully assemble, petition their government, and protest. no where in the constitution does it stipulate that law has strings attached like you can only exercise your right between 8 am and 5 pm, and only in designated areas.

go ahead and check, it's not in there.

and then the butt-backwards logic comes in (also in every thread) that since the protesters should have expected the police to illegally restrict their rights in a violent manner, they shouldn't have tried to exercise those rights.

Let me as you PrimalRed, if these protests were about ending "illegal immigration" and sending all the brown people home, and the police started restricting their rights and violently attacking them, would you be so quick to defend the cops.

Of course not, you're 100% behind free speech as long as it's YOUR speech being protected. Don't work that way friend.

Also, your fancy little link explaining that "we're not the 99%" the starving Ethiopians are, is ridiculous. there is no way you could be that thick headed and uninformed about OWS as to believe it's about the people in the third world, and still be able to type coherently.

Exactly how many Ethiopians had their homes foreclosed? How many had their retirement plans and 401ks wiped out due to corporate fraud?

Sure, the poor are the majority on earth, but guess what, the United states is HOARDING the resources and using the world up like a tampon to be flushed away to India, or Pakistan, or any other place willing to take our toxic byproducts and garbage.

And who is helping the institutionalized poverty in those nations? The very corporations and world banking cartel OWS is fighting.

P.S. How the heck is Family Guy liberal? Have you guys even watched it? Apparently not.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
all these people who hate on the OWS protesters...i just.....don't understand.

The OWS protesters aren't the romantic version that you think they are. It isn't what it started out to be. In the beginning it was a good thing (just like the Tea Party). But then it got hijacked (just like the Tea Party). OWS has become a far left, soros-funded public nuisance now. Reports of rapes, thefts, public poop'n and pee'n, intimidation of local business', children being used as human shields, breaking and entering, tresspassing and massive numbers of empty tents to make the OWS bunch look like a larger number of participants. Business' around these 'camps' have complained to gov't officials that the OWS people steal from them and drive away business. The homeless food folks have complained that the OWS people come in feeling ENTITLED to the free meals that the homeless are getting and even complain that the free food isn't good enough. Seriously ... the OWS protestors have turned a lot of sentiment, that WAS in their favor, away from them.


Ref: the Family Guy writer - so a left wing hollywood type claims abuse by the police. Any proof to back it up?

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

it is good to know there are reasonable people out there cheer leading for this tyranny. Thank God there are defenders of tyranny, otherwise it might be on the wane, and we can't have that, can we? Dear Lord what would we do without our tyrants?

In short? Carry on a simple, clear, discussion at ATS without having to repeat the same ignored information, over, and over, and over.

Man that would blow.

Back to topic kinda....

anyone think we'll see some OWS content in some Family guy eps? South Park has already taken some shots, really funny ones, at them.

@all
Even if you don't support any of the stated goals of OWS and actually hate them all with a pure, blinding, and unyielding hatred, you can't possibly support someones rights being taken away. If so, you are as un-american as they come and have played right into the hands of TPTB.

All I can say is, I hope you don't suffer the same treatment by the cops when you decide to protest against whatever you feel like, be it abortion (plenty of anti-ows are quite anti-abortion too) or immigration (seems like the same crowd actually) because let me tell you right now there probably won't be many people left to support you, help you, or condemn the brutality.

If you believe in free speech, you HAVE to support the free speech of people you don't like who are saying things you don't want to hear, THAT is how it works.

You've let your government go rogue, and now that citizens, tax payers, voters, are angry and demanding actual action, not just fluff talk, they are cracking down hard.

In the US:

You can no longer protest peacefully, anywhere
You are tracked via your debit/credit cards, purchasing history, medical history
Every form of communication is being tracked, cell, tel, email, social media, all of it
Knowing your rights, attempting to exercise them, or heaven forbid, owning a copy of the constitution, makes you a terrorist.
Your boss could very well be spying for the government in part of the citizen snitch brigades
Children are being trained to snitch on their parents
Neighbors are trained to snitch on neighbors
The government knows what books you buy, borrow from the library
The "terrorist watch list" which is also a no fly list, a no gun list, and eventually a no job list, has more than a million AMERICANS on it. But we can't know for sure because it's secret.
Banks are talking socialist tax payer money handouts to cover their toxic and fraudulent assets and activities.
corporations are spending more money lobbying government (read buying) than they are paying taxes.
The US has the highest CEO to Employee pay difference ON EARTH by a MASSIVE margine
The US is the only "western" nation to have private for profit medical care
The US is towards the bottom of several lists:

Best places to live
Quality of life
Life expectancy
Access to medical care

Yet the OWS protesters are the problem? you people are clinically insane, or just completely ignorant of the world around you outside your living room, bag of cheetohs, Faux News, and your stained lazy boy recliner

reply to post by CREAM


About time he realized what police are. Brutal Sadistic followers with no pension for mercy. They enjoy watching you suffer and the more you squeal the more they will make you squeal.

When will you occupy people stop your peaceful protests and stand for yourselves and your rights?

People like PrimalRed will continue their line of thought until the day injustice touches them or their loved ones. When that day comes he may change his tune when he sees injustice perpetrated against his fellow humans. Or maybe not. I think its all based in empathy and to that end, compassion...ah but I digress, that's a whole nuther topic. In the meantime we can all just chalk up this way of thinking/not feeling to inexperience in life. It's all valid, we all have our fires to walk through.

Originally posted by Magnum007

" I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement."

OMG... what a sissy... we have to have this done to us in training (we practice on each other)... It shows that this guy is a writer because this is "really really obvious" BS...

The guy stood up was placed in a wrist lock while being handcuffed and started to move while he was mouthing off which is considered resisting. The result? He was taken to the ground and then handcuffed...

What a bunch of bleeding hearts... I do this procedure everyday at work and the only people who seem to find that it hurts are the people making a scene... the ones who WANT to SHOW everyone that we are violent... everyone else seems to be "immune" to the "really really big pain"...

You get thrown flat on your face, so your nose and mouth hit the pavement, and then have a knee plunged into your back? At your job? Who are you kidding?

Are we to the point where we dance around the advocacy of people picking up their own arms and defending their rights with violence?

Do we need to have a group with their own shields and sticks willing to stand in a line and defend against cops in riot gear? Leather and other non-conductive armor vs tasers?

Would cops fire on people standing up for others' rights to free speech and assembly?

reply to post by PrimalRed


yeahhhhh they had ample warning... dont feel bad... and btw... "kneelin on concrete" cry me a river.... try going to Iraq for six months...

or not eating for a month... (you know like some parts of the world)

reply to post by ArrowsNV



I agree and * you.

Everything you listed/described fits the exact traits/criteria of a (genetic) sociopath/psychopath.

Unless an individual is 'without a conscience/empathy' they are no longer being hired into a Police Officer position/role. The decent cops will slowly, but surely, going forward, be replaced with sociopaths because only people 'without conscience' can commit such heinous violent acts on another human being. So, folks ... it looks like this is where we are headed.

My brother-in-law is a cop and a cruel, mean, nasty one at that. At family get-togethers, which I rarely attend, he brags about his latest 'conquest', meaning who he screwed over or how his cop friend turned someone's life upside down or who beat the life out of an innocent person and got away with it. He sees everything as a game or a contest he must win ... just like his sicko cop friends. His cop friends are all disgusting POS just like him.

Last week he got an elderly woman in trouble and almost killed her. She was crossing the street and he came speeding around the corner (off-duty) like a maniac and hit her and now he's suing her. She will probably never walk again. She was cited for walking in front of his car. He thinks he is King. Witnesses were not allowed to come forward and testify, so she was guilty before proven innocent. If they did speak up in her behalf he (and his cop friends) would be after them. He'll probably win the lawsuit. My husband and I are so ashamed of him.

On the plus side, most violent or abusive people are addicted to Adrenaline rushes, which means they won't live long lives. Excess Adrenaline on a regular basis is known to cause early death. That's why many violent and abusive types of cops won't live long enough to collect their pensions. TPTB know this ... but the (stupid) cops don't. TPTB use the cops like puppets, to do their dirty work, knowing the psycho-crazy, abusive and violent ones won't live long enough to collect a long-term full pension.

My brother-in-law's wife and his three adult kids are enablers ... that's very typical. ALL sociopaths have enablers. The rules/laws don't apply to them. That is part of being a sociopath, 'without conscience'. These cops brag about how they drive 20-miles over the speed limit and cut-off other drivers or run them off of the road and get away with it. They brag about the specifics of the incident and how they were not held accountable. In the area I live in, cops do not ticket or arrest other cops. So, their criminal behaviors escalate. They commit acts without a thought or a care as to how they negatively affect the lives of others and their families. So much for their motto ... "To Protect and Serve". The only people they protect and serve are themselves and their sociopathic cop friends

Sociopaths/psychopaths are drawn to jobs and positions where they can abuse their power and get away with it ... NOT positions where they will be held accountable and/or fired. As many of the normal, decent law-abiding cops have since retired (most retire before or around 60 yrs of age) they are being replaced with those 'without conscience' - sociopaths and psychopaths. A normal person with empathy, compassion and a moral compass doesn't seek out a job or a position based on this criteria -- the ability to commit violence and/or abuse others (including children) and get away with it. That's not part of a normal person's criteria.

To the OP ... if you didn't have PTSD before this horrible, unthinkable crime and act of violence against you, you may eventually develop PTSD. Your family may also suffer from PTSD as a result of the violence committed against their loved one. You need to know about this so you can be treated for both the mental/emotional anguish and trauma and not just the physical trauma. Often, the emotional trauma is overlooked and only the physical trauma is addressed.

The "D" stands for Disorder, but actually PTSD is not a disorder. The person(s) who caused the PTSD are the ones with the disorder -- sociopaths and psychopaths. PTSD is a trauma, not a disorder. The acronym is disturbingly misleading. Sociopaths are the ones who came up with the acronym to re-victimize their victims.

My heart goes out to you and your family and to all of the victims. May you and your family heal from your pain.