Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

reply to post by Ghost375


I highly doubt the Founding Fathers wanted a strong Federal government. Here are some quotes from
Thomas Jefferson.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.

How about Alexander Hamilton

It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, federal government.

John Adams

The happiness of society is the end of government.

Ben Franklin

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

James Madison

If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare... they may appoint teachers in every state... The powers of Congress would subvert the very foundation, the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America.

Patrick Henry

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."

You should check out what the founding Fathers have to say about Christianity and our government and our rights to bear arms. People should look back at them more often for their wisdom. Many people would be shock as to how committed and open they were about having Christianity as the backing upon which this Nation was built.

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


Do you people think there was any concept of the modern mega-corporatism/influence of corporate "persons" when the founders were envisioning our future?

For-profit healthcare is wrong. Period. The fact that most Americans are viewed as consumers/wallets alone (and are treated as such) by many (most?) major corporations is wrong.

The wealth gap in our country is sickening. Being educated and working hard is so much less likely to pay off than it was say twenty years ago.

We must fix things. We can't allow our politicians to live like kings while we're all getting poorer (this happens a bit, in the sense that the highly-paid career politician shouldn't even exist, and that they're all so disconnected from their constituents' realities), we shouldn't have a country where everyone is poor and the leaders live like kings (not the case overall, just speaking generally w.r.t. how some countries are), and we also should not allow 5% of the people to control 40% of the wealth (our current reality).

So much of that wealth is from systems that are already in place (which continue printing money based off on continuing needs of the people), money from money, etc. We need a reboot of sorts with simple regulations that protect the people and only the people (true individuals)...

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Misoir

 

The founder were wrong on many things...slavery, not letting women vote, killing off the natives.

Why is it so surprising to you that people have differing opinions with the "founders"...they are irrelevant today...they aren't gods to be worshipped.

In todays world, the founders would be viewed as extremist idiots...I doubt if they would even get 1% of any vote.

That is because the majority today are mindless dependent fools. They wouldn't get 1% of the vote today because they would not have pandered to the highest bidder and promised the American people things they knew they couldn't deliver on. But American minds at the time weren't conditioned like pavlov's dog to be pathetic fools eager to consume things they would never need, reject any responsibility, demand entitlements, and be eager for slavery, terrified of self reliance.
Founders=genius
Modern Americans=controlled idiots. esp the ones who think they re smart.

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by Pr0sp3r0

Originally posted by FlyersFan

But they are correct about a free market ... and THAT is what Obama was saying they were wrong about. Obama worships the Euro-socialist way of doing things ... even as it falls apart and needs our $$$ to be bailed out with. It's completely irrational on his part. Unless he wants the Euro-socialist way of doing things because he knows it will destroy what's left of our economy .... and if that's the case then he's an evil destroy-america genius to be where he is now and doing what he's doing.

You obviously don't know what you're trying to speak about, dear dude. Europe is currently under the fire of greedy, stupid speculators who aren't even aware that they're destroying their next playground just after having destroyed the US economy. But you'll see soon a new form of European Left Parties taking back true socialism for what it is and you ignore. Stay tuned, dear dude. Meanwhile, stick to your free-market religion that have just ruined your country.

Originally posted by Misoir
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Sorry to inform President Obama, they were right and you are wrong.
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edit on 12/7/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)

Sorry to inform you that your President Obama there is right, they were right* and you are wrong.

*Given the circumstances of their epoch, that is, - and obviously very partly given what America has become.

Interesting. What makes you think left-parties will get back in "power" in Europe. Because I see a very conservative trend going on, moving away from every leftist idea so to speak. They are cutting everywhere. Not a pleasant sight.

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I've replied to you through U2U : for some reason I prefer not to give too much insights about it all right here... Eheh...

reply to post by mugger

Agreed with most of the post until the Christian thing came up. You may need to do some more (balanced) research.
BTW, Hamilton desired a strong central government, hated the idea of democracy, and felt that "normal" people were worthless buffoons. He also supported central banking and the entrenchment of an established elite. Your other characterizations were generally correct to varying degrees.

You do know Jefferson despised Christianity and fervently denied the divinity of Jesus, who he believed a fictional creation? Or that Franklin openly admitted he did not believe Jesus was real?

Every mention of a deity by Washington was fully couched in the terms of Deism, a belief in the "Clockmaker" creator, who has created and abandoned his creation from that point - no Jesus involved.

That being said, the founders, in general, have yet to meet a human match.

Obama actually scares me. Here's a president who is giving himself more and more powers and still has a over a year in office. The odds of Congress stepping in and restraining him are effectively zero. If his program of growing government and police state tactics keep on at this pace, we will be another Russia by the time elections roll around. Only when people say ' We have had enough" will things change. I really hope that time is soon, because the way it's going, we don't have much left.

A must watch for all Ron Paul fans: www.youtube.com... . It's not enough to just say "vote Ron Paul". People need to SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE in most states. So REGISTER REPUBLICAN, otherwise, you CAN'T VOTE for Ron Paul in your state's primary!

If Ron Paul doesn't win enough delegates in the primaries, HE CAN'T RUN for President as a Republican!
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PS: I can't start a thread about this info because i am new member but i hope someone will do it for me!!!!

Originally posted by freedomandpeace
A must watch for all Ron Paul fans: www.youtube.com... . It's not enough to just say "vote Ron Paul". People need to SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE in most states. So REGISTER REPUBLICAN, otherwise, you CAN'T VOTE for Ron Paul in your state's primary!

If Ron Paul doesn't win enough delegates in the primaries, HE CAN'T RUN for President as a Republican!
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PS: I can't start a thread about this info because i am new member but i hope someone will do it for me!!!!

even if i have to write him in i am voting for Mr Paul...however i am not a republican and i never will be one. him having to run as an independent is a good thing in my eyes

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by alldaylong

 

I am merely speculating here so do not assume it to be any more than that but perhaps his big reason for disliking Great Britain stems from his familial past in Kenya which was a territory of the United Kingdom. If you recall, Kenya sought independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland around the same time his father had come of age. So an obvious anti-British sentiment could have been transferred down to him from his father, even without his father being present in his life.

How could that be? Think about if you hardly knew your father yet believed strongly in your ancestry, which would usually mean you go along with the feelings at the time. Factor into that the staunchly anti-Western view of the university campuses across America that lasted throughout the ‘60s and ‘70s, I mean he was associated with a man from the Weather Underground.

Add to that the staunch hatred, which I believe to be envy, of the WASP’s which was quite prevalent throughout that time in America while he was in university, especially among the radical groups he was associated with. These people were associated with wealth, status, and had a firm control over the country since they were the most established ones here.

WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant

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Kind of have to wonder why we would elect someone with so much warping, and so little self control, and ability to be a President, instead of a cheap knock off of a Chicago style politician... Oh... Wait... Where did he come from?

Originally posted by Alxandro
Founders were wrong?
Usually he is an idiot, but this time?
Can't even describe how I'm feeling now. He thinks he is another
Kennedy but he is not even close.

Yesterday he hated this country and today he disses our forefathers.
Obama is an ungrateful, arrogant, narcissistic SOB!
Unfortunately, he still has one more year left, so things will get worse.

Only in America can a sitting Prez get away with  stuff  like that.
Blame it on the MSM.
And you can blame the progs too.
Mainly because they get tingles up their legs.
All I can say now is, .. no, I better not.

I'm not telling you what to think about the POTUS but if you actually listen to and/or read the speech you will realize that he didn't say the forefathers were wrong and he didn't attack the free market system. He simply stated that trickle down economics don't work(which is his belief and has nothing to do with the forefathers). The OP's message involves a misleading thread title, quote clipping and misleading interpretations based on those clipped quotes. I'm not defending Obama or arguing against your point just your opening statement as he didn't "diss" the forefathers. As I said before I think Obama does enough damage to himself directly, I don't think the OP's deception is required.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama as I said in my previous post but it'd be extremely comforting to see more people doing their research and reading the facts instead of reading a post with some quoted text...letting their hate run away and accepting it as fact. If people start to accept a single post and don't question/research the claims in the post then our community will be no different then the mainstream media. "Deny Ignorance" no?

So how many of you people still think OWS was a spur of the moment thing by some angry hippies? It was orchestrated, and this speech is the next little movement in the big symphony of lies. Repeated by the compliant press. Little by little, getting the stupid and young people of this country thinking that capitalism "doesn't work" and usher in socialism. What a coup it would be to get the people to accept it without a fight.

Just wait, buddy.

reply to post by AkumaStreak


govt run healthcare is waaaaay out of whack and definitely not what the Founding Fathers envisioned.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
i am very suprised that this thread hasnt been shut down yet or moved to the hoax bin, it is such a waste of time, it has already been solidly debunked. read the posts people!!!
the quote in the opening article is a fabrication and the entire article it is taken from is an outright lie an piece of political propaganda...
where are the MODs when you need them.

misquoting a president to promote a sickening agenda of disloyalty is just appalling.

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Just to cap the thread with this again.

reply to post by Epirus


Just out of curiosity, how did you interpret POTUS' message?
Rush and Glenn have also interpreted the Obama's speech as anti-American anti Capitalist and very socialist, communist.
If it's between you and Glenn, I'll take Glenn's word for it.

Originally posted by freedomandpeace
A must watch for all Ron Paul fans: www.youtube.com... . It's not enough to just say "vote Ron Paul". People need to SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE in most states. So REGISTER REPUBLICAN, otherwise, you CAN'T VOTE for Ron Paul in your state's primary!

If Ron Paul doesn't win enough delegates in the primaries, HE CAN'T RUN for President as a Republican!
Thumbs up, copy & paste everywhere!!!

PS: I can't start a thread about this info because i am new member but i hope someone will do it for me!!!!

This is worth repeating:

Register Republican and vote in your state's primary for Ron Paul. If you don't know why, read up on how primaries work. You can only vote in the party primary - the party you are registered for. Independents cannot vote in Democrat/Republican primaries, as much as you hate either party.

reply to post by CaDreamer


eh.. I had to re register as a republican in my closed primary state to vote for Paul.
I hope you would too if you are in a closed primary state.You can wear the title secretly for a few months for the greater good.

reply to post by sigung86

Kind of have to wonder why we would elect someone with so much warping, and so little self control, and ability to be a President, instead of a cheap knock off of a Chicago style politician... Oh... Wait... Where did he come from?

His wife says his "home country of Kenya". Just takin her word for it.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I'd probably take a stranger over a known sensationalist and liar. At least you have a change of the truth with a stranger.

Ever noticed since Regan this country has fallen more and more and more to big government and credit?


Regan was the fall of this country i think.

Oh so the our Founding Fathers are wrong? No they weren't. They KNEW this disaster would happen. Especially if the people gave up their power. The proof is every where. Our Founding Father's were absolutely right. They also had the right idea, but SOME PEOPLE decided to screw it all up.

Saying the Founding Fathers were wrong is basically saying their ready to throw away the Constitution. Yet, we already knew that. I say go for it government, if you're ready then I'm ready. The people and I won't hand over a damn thing to you.

Even though I feel like the people won't do anything as long as they stay away from the 2nd Amendment. Jesus.. God save us all if that be the case damn it..