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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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i think obama has a evil twin




posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Ok I'm going to be honest and say I'm not real sure what you mean by a resource based economy. All economy is based on one resource or another.


It is this Utopian system in which man recognizes it's evolutionary progress in terms of technical capabilities and realizes that the institution of money has become an obstacle for progress. It eliminates money entirely and focuses on managing earth resources in the most responsible and advanced ways possible. Problems are approached scientifically. Technology will become the major player in substituting human labor, anything that can be automatized will be automatized. A society in which humans will only have to do what is absolutely necessary. Humans are encouraged to do or become that what they have the most incentive for. It is recognized that everybody is unique and born different. Therefor stimulating each persons uniqueness will always contribute to the greater good.

I realize that it sounds frightening and perhaps even dystopian. And that is one of the reasons I don't see anything like this happen in any near future.

Capitalism does provide a small minority of the world with significant freedom compared to earlier times and compared to other societies around the world, and we are naturally deeply attached to it. Especially after centuries of oppression, this little freedom that we enjoy means the world to us.

At the same time, are we really free? I mean is being a wage slave being free? Are we really free living in full knowledge that devastating catastrophes are just around the corner? All this division, injustice, exploitation, ignorance, is this really "freedom''?
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That's interesting. It is kind of Utopian but in a kind of reminiscent of Atlantis sort of way. I believe it was Philos the Tibetan who revealed some things about Atlantis, such as advanced transportation. But I also read that people in Atlantis were able to take advantage of the magnetic energies of the earth, magnetic grids. I believe that was from a book discussing a possible Pole Shift of the earth and there was some kind of evidence that these magnetic grids existed in previous times, but the grids were changed. Even the monorail at Disney is based on magnetic principles and a friend of mine says he thinks Disney had memory of Atlantis.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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You realize that many of the founding fathers wanted a strong federal government, right?

He's just saying that the founding fathers that you agree with were wrong.

On a similar note, we DON'T have free markets now, and we haven't for nearly 100 years.
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by tooo many pills
Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.

Like having slaves is okay?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.

Like having slaves is okay?




What is the liberal obsession with slaves during the time of the American Revolution? Slaves have existed through time in all lands. They were not all of one race.


For the record

Slavery can be traced back to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1760 BC), which refers to it as an established institution.[3] Slavery is rare among hunter-gatherer populations as slavery depends on a system of social stratification. Slavery typically also requires a shortage of labor and a surplus of land to be viable.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...


This is not meant to be an endorsement of slavery in any time of human history but an observation that the time of our Founding Fathers was no different than any other time on earth in which slavery has existed.
It is always only liberals who go on and on about this issue.
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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i think it's important that you read the entire section of his speech, as he is not critiquing the philosophy and ideals on which the country was founded, but rather he is commenting on the philosophy that the republican party has been trumpeting, which is quite arguably not the same thing in the least. i am not an obama fan but i think disinformation is a crime:

"Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt's time, there is a certain crowd in Washington who, for the last few decades, have said, let's respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. "The market will take care of everything," they tell us. If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger. Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn't trickle down, well, that's the price of liberty.

Now, it's a simple theory. And we have to admit, it's one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That's in America's DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. (Laughter.) But here's the problem: It doesn't work. It has never worked. (Applause.) It didn't work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It's not what led to the incredible postwar booms of the '50s and '60s. And it didn't work when we tried it during the last decade. (Applause.) I mean, understand, it's not as if we haven't tried this theory."



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.

Like having slaves is okay?




What is the liberal obsession with slaves during the time of the American Revolution? Slaves have existed through time in all lands. They were not all of one race.


I used that and my first post to illustrate that conservatives are acting as if the founding fathers all agreed on every issue, and that they were demi-gods. They were flawed humans, like us, and disagreed on many issues.

Many of the founding fathers did indeed want a strong federal government. I don't like when people leave facts out of their argument.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Misoir
Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked'


In a speech delivered at Osawatomie High School in Osawatomie, Kansas, on Tuesday, President Barack Obama argued that while a limited government that preserves free markets "speaks to our rugged individualism" as Americans, such a system "doesn't work" and "has never worked" and that Americans must look to a more activist government that taxes more, spends more and regulates more if they want to preserve the middle class...

"Now, it’s a simple theory," said Obama. "And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked.



Wow...BS and chop up quotes much?

He wasn't talking about free markets...he was talking about trickle down theorey.



Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there is a certain crowd in Washington who, for the last few decades, have said, let’s respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us.

If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger.

Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers.

But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, well, that’s the price of liberty.

Now, it’s a simple theory. And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. (Laughter.) But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked. (Applause.) It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible postwar booms of the ‘50s and ‘60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade. (Applause.) I mean, understand, it’s not as if we haven’t tried this theory.


www.politicalruminations.com...

Your source article is false, misleading, dishonest along with your OP title.


I listened to the whole speech and the OP is 100% manipulating it to mean something it didn't. I'm not a huge fan of Obama but I'm even less of a fan of those who misguide people through manipulation and deception. Obama does enough damage to himself directly...I don't think it's necessary for you to mislead. Do you really think President Obama, the people who write his speeches or the people who advise him are going to risk losing the amount of votes they would lose if they delivered the message you are trying to claim they did?

Side note: The OP is the same poster who said this in a post the other day,

Originally posted by Misoir
I would never date outside my race, I even try and stick to my own ethnicity but there are few Hungarians in America. I am a racialist (not racist, don't know the difference look it up), proud of it and would never change for anything in the world. There are different ethnicities, tribes, races, etc... For a reason, it makes the whole world diverse and unique. But I guess you will only be happy once every race, or more specifically the white race, commits genocide against itself and everyone is brown, uninteresting, un-unique, and all the lowest common denominator.


Oops see what I did there? You had a lot more to say in that thread but this was just one paragraph that could be taken the wrong way. I actually respect you Misoir as you are intelligent and use logic to come to your conclusions. I just don't understand why you created this thread which warped the facts.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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We're slaves now dude. Most Founding Fathers wanted a weak central government in that they didn't want a strong central government to be able to completely dictate control to the states. They didn't want our Bill of Rights and Constitution to be usurped away from us with such ease. They didn’t want a central bank. You can bring up Thomas Jefferson's slave issue or women's rights during the time, but the fact is if our leaders today had half the independent thinking, patriotism, and political-will to help this country progress into a true free and open democracy we would be in a much better place, as would the rest world.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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i am very suprised that this thread hasnt been shut down yet or moved to the hoax bin, it is such a waste of time, it has already been solidly debunked. read the posts people!!!
the quote in the opening article is a fabrication and the entire article it is taken from is an outright lie an piece of political propaganda...
where are the MODs when you need them.


misquoting a president to promote a sickening agenda of disloyalty is just appalling.
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The founder were wrong on many things...slavery, not letting women vote, killing off the natives.

But they are correct about a free market ... and THAT is what Obama was saying they were wrong about. Obama worships the Euro-socialist way of doing things ... even as it falls apart and needs our $$$ to be bailed out with. It's completely irrational on his part. Unless he wants the Euro-socialist way of doing things because he knows it will destroy what's left of our economy .... and if that's the case then he's an evil destroy-america genius to be where he is now and doing what he's doing.



Can you expand on that? Can you using historical facts actually make the case you are making or is it too much fun to just rant angrily?

Facts?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


What is the liberal obsession with slaves during the time of the American Revolution? Slaves have existed through time in all lands. They were not all of one race.


What is this neocon obsession with pretending the founding fathers were perfect and did everything right even though they felt slavery was ok?
You want to talk about Egyptian slaves, then talk about their founding fathers.

Fact: Our founders believed in slavery.
Fact: That just seems to upset you instead of making you realize not everything they did was perfect.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by tooo many pills
Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.


Speaking as a female, uh no.
Please tell your wives, moms, and sisters that you cannot wait until they are property again, to be owned by the man that bids the most.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by tooo many pills
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We're slaves now dude. Most Founding Fathers wanted a weak central government in that they didn't want a strong central government to be able to completely dictate control to the states. They didn't want our Bill of Rights and Constitution to be usurped away from us with such ease. They didn’t want a central bank. You can bring up Thomas Jefferson's slave issue or women's rights during the time, but the fact is if our leaders today had half the independent thinking, patriotism, and political-will to help this country progress into a true free and open democracy we would be in a much better place, as would the rest world.

We aren't slaves just because we need to work...the founding fathers had jobs as well.
There's a difference between a strong central government, and a tyrannical one. ALL of the founding fathers wanted our citizens to be free.

I'm not sure why you claim "Most Founding fathers wanted a weak central government" Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
Because they gave us a government where the power was split between the federal and the states, with the federal government receiving much more powers, not as much as today, but they gave the federal government more power than the states...
Why don't we agree to compromise like they did? The number of founding fathers who supported a strong federal government was the same as the number who supported a weak federal government.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Founders were wrong?
Usually he is an idiot, but this time?
Can't even describe how I'm feeling now. He thinks he is another
Kennedy but he is not even close.

Yesterday he hated this country and today he disses our forefathers.
Obama is an ungrateful, arrogant, narcissistic SOB!
Unfortunately, he still has one more year left, so things will get worse.

Only in America can a sitting Prez get away with  stuff  like that.
Blame it on the MSM.
And you can blame the progs too.
Mainly because they get tingles up their legs.
All I can say now is, .. no, I better not.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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So some of the Founding Fathers were tied to some outdated belief systems, does that take away all the good they did to make this country great? Start playing the cherry pick game in a conversation about government, not morals... Guess where else it says it's ok to have slaves, treat women as 2nd class citizens. and kill natives (non-believers), that's right the Bible! To be honest I don't think we evolved out of that type of thinking we are still doing it today under a different names, people just fail to realize it....



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro

Yesterday he hated this country and today he disses our forefathers.
Neither of these two statements are true. He disapproved of the way things were going. Did he keep going down the same path? Yes, and it angers me as well. But to say he hates the country is Fox News propaganda.

Only in America can a sitting Prez get away with  stuff  like that.
Yes, only in America the president has the right to free speech...

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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We aren't slaves just because we need to work...the founding fathers had jobs as well.

Didn’t say that was the reason. I like my job and have fun at it. We are slaves to the system, we only have the freedom to play in it.


There's a difference between a strong central government, and a tyrannical one. ALL of the founding fathers wanted our citizens to be free.

True, but free from whom?


I'm not sure why you claim "Most Founding fathers wanted a weak central government" Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I say that because of what I said. The states, founding fathers, didn’t want the central government to have the power to dictate what they do. Evidence, the Articles of Confederation. They also never mentioned an Income Tax…


Because they gave us a government where the power was split between the federal and the states, with the federal government receiving much more powers, not as much as today, but they gave the federal government more power than the states...

I would like you to state the powers the Federal government has now, but didn’t have back then. And tell me why they are good for this country.



Why don't we agree to compromise like they did? The number of founding fathers who supported a strong federal government was the same as the number who supported a weak federal government.

We can do that as long as you promise not to revise the law many years later in your favor.



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