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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Deregulate the markets and the oversights and to Indonesia we will become!

There is no human rights protections, no safety protections, no environmental protections, no worker protections in Indonesia! Strip the regulations and oversight here and we will become them!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Deregulate the markets and the oversights and to Indonesia we will become!

There is no human rights protections, no safety protections, no environmental protections, no worker protections in Indonesia! Strip the regulations and oversight here and we will become them!
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


AGAIN, I NEVER STATED NO GOVT.
Is that clear now?
Should I write it in crayon?
No one ever said no Govt.
Why is this so difficult for you?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Yes you did and by saying "Government needs to get the hell out of the way!" is saying directly that "Govt better not dare threaten a corporation ever and if it does I'll be angry"!

Your arguments are so weak they have no real ground to stand on.

I hope you like having glass shards in your food, have muriatic acid in your soap, have rat poison in your shampoo because without regulations these will all be a reality!



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


Yes you did and by saying "Government needs to get the hell out of the way!" is saying directly that "Govt better not dare threaten a corporation ever and if it does I'll be angry"!

Ah, so the thought police come this way?
Govt get out of my way does not equal no Govt.
You...............................Fail............................Again

Also, please provide any posts where I stated "I want No Govt".
I dare you!
Please!!!!
Along with the many other requests by me, to you, to provide proof that I stated this.
Another...............................Epic ............................Failure.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Your arguments are so weak they have no real ground to stand on.

You keep telling yourself that. What ever makes you sleep well at night.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I hope you like having glass shards in your food, have muriatic acid in your soap, have rat poison in your shampoo because without regulations these will all be a reality!


Yum!!! I do.
Thanks.

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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To wish for less Govt is to allow a corporation to dictate what products you can buy and not buy, what websites you can and cannot visit without Govt doing the job they were put in there to do and that is to represent us, We The People that allows it to push back and tell them "NO!".
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Just imagine if our leaders still lived by the same principles as the majority of the Founding Fathers? How great would our country be? What about the rest of the world? Usurped is my new favorite word.

Like having slaves is okay?




What is the liberal obsession with slaves during the time of the American Revolution? Slaves have existed through time in all lands. They were not all of one race.


I used that and my first post to illustrate that conservatives are acting as if the founding fathers all agreed on every issue, and that they were demi-gods. They were flawed humans, like us, and disagreed on many issues.

Many of the founding fathers did indeed want a strong federal government. I don't like when people leave facts out of their argument.



The slave issue is used over and over by liberals to prove that the Constitution is flawed and that our Founding Fathers were not so wise. Look at the smearing of George Washington, the very man who led the Revolutionary Patriots. The liberals come along and say oh look what he did to protesters in the whiskey rebellion, oh look he had slaves, oh look he wasn't so great after all. This is a deliberate effort by liberals to destroy the best models we have and ruin the transfer of the understanding of what the Revolutionary War was fought for to the next generations of youth. This is so that they can foster their socialist agenda which must overrule the Constitution in order to work.
I'm sorry you fell for it. It's an old used tactic and needs to be put to rest.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Horus,

If you notice that Slavery was never mandated or made law under the Constitution as they knew and had enough knowledge and foresight to know fully that we'd eventually outgrow and outlaw it!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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mac, someone pulled this argument on me last night. For some reason certain people read the opposition to big govt as a desire for no govt at all, and a desire for minimal taxation as a desire for no taxation at all hence no govt functions at all. This is a silly argument and applies only to the most anarchic of individuals. It also seems to me an attempt at using a histrionic vision to paint their opponents badly.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Horus,

If you notice that Slavery was never mandated or made law under the Constitution as they knew and had enough knowledge and foresight to know fully that we'd eventually outgrow and outlaw it!
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I would agree with this, if I've read your post correctly. Yes, they had the vision. But do not imagine it means they meant for the Constitution to be rewritten into a socialist big govt entity either.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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I hope you like having glass shards in your food, have muriatic acid in your soap, have rat poison in your shampoo because without regulations these will all be a reality!



I don't remember ever having to worry about this stuff till we started importing Chinese goods. We have over-regulated business driving manufacturing overseas and now we import all this stuff where the Chinese do not have high standards. All those instances of melamine in the food supply and so on are not from an unregulated American industry. Now what the FDA is doing is allowing things like aspartame to continue on while cracking down on raw milk suppliers. They are also allowing the addition of viruses to processed meats like bologna ostensibly to cut down on certain pathogens. I mean really
Plus there's Codex Alimentarius where we are being pulled into complying with an International Standard and it's a crack down of nutritional supplements because Big Pharma wants to secure the market for themselves and keep their own chemical stew in play.


Here's the International version of over-regulation

www.truthistreason.net...


Codex Alimentarius is backed up by the crippling trade sanctions of the World Trade Organization (WTO). Any non Codex-compliant nation would face huge economic punishment since they would automatically lose in any food-trade dispute with a Codex compliant country.


Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) has two committees which impact nutrition.
One of them, the “Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses” (CCNFSDU), is chaired by Dr. Rolf Grossklaus, a physician who believes that nutrition has no role in health. This is the “top-guy” for Codex nutritional policy, and he has stated that “nutrition is not relevant to health”.
As unbelievable as it may sound, Dr. Grossklaus actually declared nutrients to be toxins in 1994 and instituted the use of toxicology (Risk Assessment) to prevent nutrients from having any impact on humans who take supplements! It is worth mentioning that Dr. Grossklaus happens to own the Risk Assessment company advising CCNFSDU(Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses ) and Codex on this issue. This company makes money when its toxicology services are used for the “assessment” of nutrients. Here in the U.S. we call that a “conflict of interest”.
Codex is made up of thousands of standards and guidelines. One of them, the Vitamin and Mineral Guideline (VMG), is designed to permit only ultra low doses of vitamins and minerals (and make clinically effective nutrients illegal). How can the VMG restrict dosages of vitamins and minerals? By using Risk Assessment (toxicology) to assess nutrients.

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

To wish for less Govt is to allow a corporation to dictate what products you can buy and not buy, what websites you can and cannot visit without Govt doing the job they were put in there to do and that is to represent us, We The People that allows it to push back and tell them "NO!".
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

No, no it does not.
The way it stands now, the people are not protected, nor is there really any concern for the People, as the Govt, being at its largest ever in history, is concerned with one thing and one thing only, Bigger and more Controlling Govt.

Thought you were on the soap box of equating Smaller Govt with no Govt?
Did you see the light, or just realize how wrong your assumptions are?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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mac, someone pulled this argument on me last night. For some reason certain people read the opposition to big govt as a desire for no govt at all, and a desire for minimal taxation as a desire for no taxation at all hence no govt functions at all. This is a silly argument and applies only to the most anarchic of individuals. It also seems to me an attempt at using a histrionic vision to paint their opponents badly.


Yep, they fall back to that and the race card.
Basically, no where else to go except deeper in the BS hole.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

To wish for less Govt is to allow a corporation to dictate what products you can buy and not buy, what websites you can and cannot visit without Govt doing the job they were put in there to do and that is to represent us, We The People that allows it to push back and tell them "NO!".
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No, no it does not.
The way it stands now, the people are not protected, nor is there really any concern for the People, as the Govt, being at its largest ever in history, is concerned with one thing and one thing only, Bigger and more Controlling Govt.

Thought you were on the soap box of equating Smaller Govt with no Govt?
Did you see the light, or just realize how wrong your assumptions are?



Oh so that must be why you write these posts from Somalia.
What? You don't?
You mean you choose to live in America?
Wow. Why the hell would you? You hate the place and apparently it offers you no protection.

Do you ever wonder why you sit here in America just to bitch about how much you hate it?

YOU CAN LEAVE ANY TIME.

The fact that you do not, nullifies 90% of the crap you write here.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


To wish for less Govt is to allow a corporation to dictate what products you can buy and not buy, what websites you can and cannot visit without Govt doing the job they were put in there to do and that is to represent us, We The People that allows it to push back and tell them "NO!".
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What corporations dictate to you what websites you can visit or what products you can buy? I'm guessing you are referring to Monsanto GM foods and Google, but Google is a liberal based operation anyway and in direct collusion with the govt and which gave China it's filters for the Internet. Monsanto is a mega giant I am not happy to see corner the food market, but I am guessing you think that more govt is going to stop Monsanto in its tracks. I doubt it seriously as govt is part of the depopulation agenda.

Look how the UN is involved
kincardine.wordpress.com...


Ok that guy is a little over the top at the end, but clearly Monsanto is in collusion with govt and the World Bank and the UN.
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Codex Alluminatrius died a slow painful death when it wasn't renewed before December 31, 2009 and all new plans that even remotely suggest a revival of sorts will not be considered.

Hence why there's this push now to make places like fast food joints go healthy. Wendy's, KFC, Taco Bell,Checkers/Rally's, Burger King uses real products in matters of real meat, grains, produce, fruits, sweets. Aspartame, sucarlose free products are readily available so this shuts down programs like Monostato and any new program they dream up of tomorrow.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Hey, govt subsidies have funded Danish wind turbines and as a result, people there have to pay a higher price for electricity. Sounds like this is where Obaba gets his bright ideas


Implications of the new government for subsidy policy
With the recent election of a government led by the right-of-centre Venstre party, the scene seems set for a radical change in Danish policy concerning the payment of subsidies for wind electricity. It appears that the Ministry of Environment and Energy is to be split up, so that energy matters come under the Ministry of Economics. In this context, the wind turbine industry is greatly disturbed by the statement of the in-coming Minister of Finance, Thor Pedersen, that Denmark’s new government will remove the billions of subsidy for wind electricity (Rasmussen, 2001). Thor Pedersen wants wind electricity to be self-sufficient when in 2003 the government is free to negotiate a new energy reform. ["The whole idea of the liberalised electricity market in the EU is that companies and consumers receive their electricity at the cheapest possible price. But they do not get this when they are forced to buy a large part of their energy from wind turbines at five or six times the market price for electricity"], said Thor Pedersen to the daily newspaper Børsen. He maintains that the wind industry has itself stated that it can survive without subsidies because the turbines have become so effective that they can compete with traditional power stations

wilfriedheck.tripod.com...



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

To wish for less Govt is to allow a corporation to dictate what products you can buy and not buy, what websites you can and cannot visit without Govt doing the job they were put in there to do and that is to represent us, We The People that allows it to push back and tell them "NO!".
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

No, no it does not.
The way it stands now, the people are not protected, nor is there really any concern for the People, as the Govt, being at its largest ever in history, is concerned with one thing and one thing only, Bigger and more Controlling Govt.

Thought you were on the soap box of equating Smaller Govt with no Govt?
Did you see the light, or just realize how wrong your assumptions are?



Oh so that must be why you write these posts from Somalia.
What? You don't?
You mean you choose to live in America?
Wow. Why the hell would you? You hate the place and apparently it offers you no protection.

Do you ever wonder why you sit here in America just to bitch about how much you hate it?

YOU CAN LEAVE ANY TIME.

The fact that you do not, nullifies 90% of the crap you write here.


More elitist BS.
Doesn't get any better then this.

You are correct, I can leave.
That is until the Govt can deem any US Citizen a terrorist and hold them indefinitely without trial, thus stopping me from leaving.
Oh wait, they already have that going huh?
I do not Hate America.
I hate how corrupt and controlling the Fed Govt has become.
AS opposed to, you know, how the US was designed and all.

But, Again, I do love the elitist mentality that you live with. Telling someone that does not agree with your brand of Socialized Govt must leave.
No thanks Das Fuhrer.

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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I'm sure you like having the freedom of choice to have a selection of 50 companies that make the same damn product?, I'm sure you like opening the phone book and finding 100 different electricians, contractors, plumbers, computer repair spots, food spots, doctors and whatnot? I'm sure you like the fact that there is massive selection of just about every product out there. To limit Govt would take the choice from you as that would mean that the only companies allowed to offer their product, good or service stateside would be those that swear total allegiance to them and leave us all out in the cold. If they could sign a $100 Billion contract and the only thing stopping it would be that we'd have to give up a freedom, they'd spend $10 Billion to get that freedom reversed via their corporate lobbies in Congress. Their mantra is to make as much money as possible without no regard for the law, the environment, humanity and see us all as potential customers on top of everything else and nothing else matters but that!

Now do you get it?

Start looking at it from the veiwpoint of what's best for the nation from a citizen's viewpoint of an American and not that of from the viewpoint of a corporation as you are a private PERSON as you are not a CORPORATION!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

I'm sure you like having the freedom of choice to have a selection of 50 companies that make the same damn product?

Yep, until the Govt steps in to play God.
You know, like offering one a Free loan, on the tax payers dime.
Or, helping it go public, then have the Legislative branch make a fortune on legal insider trading.
Or, coming in and telling some that they can't operate how they want to.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
, I'm sure you like opening the phone book and finding 100 different electricians, contractors, plumbers, computer repair spots, food spots, doctors and whatnot?

That is until they are controlled more so by the Govt. Like the companies mentioned above.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I'm sure you like the fact that there is massive selection of just about every product out there.

With every conceivable control from the Govt.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
To limit Govt would take the choice from you as that would mean that the only companies allowed to offer their product, good or service stateside would be those that swear total allegiance to them and leave us all out in the cold.

Wow. Back on the Govt is the best kick huh?
No, the Govt does no such thing.
The people that run those companies do.
Good hell. You really do depend on Govt for just about everything don't you?
How do you get by in every day life? Does Nanny Govt walk you to the bus stop?


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
If they could sign a $100 Billion contract and the only thing stopping it would be that we'd have to give up a freedom, they'd spend $10 Billion to get that freedom reversed via their corporate lobbies in Congress. Their mantra is to make as much money as possible without no regard for the law, the environment, humanity and see us all as potential customers on top of everything else and nothing else matters but that!

Yes, a Company is there to make money.
It is nice that you can regurgitate basic economics.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Now do you get it?

Yes, you are an 0bama Yes Man, and love Big Govt.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Start looking at it from the veiwpoint of what's best for the nation from a citizen's viewpoint of an American and not that of from the viewpoint of a corporation as you are a private PERSON as you are not a CORPORATION!
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What is best is for smaller Govt.
Do away with Corporations, and you are left with the same business, minus the Govt required paperwork.
Still going to make money as its sole purpose.
You really need to get a real world lesson, instead of relying on 0bama talking points and OWS banter.

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