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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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A few videos that explain stuff...........



and this jem of information....



Talking about right wing slavery. That is exactly what monarchies are. Priveleged called nobles and then the slaves called commoners!

Nothing left wing about the nwo. The left encourages equality and people power which is exactly what a democracy is. Republicanism has to do with intermediates running government and effectively turning it into a dictatorship.

Enjoy the american dictatorship!!!


And plenty of other videos on YouTube for those not too lazy to seek truth.




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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I'm sorry, I didn't understand. What exactly do you mean?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by lrak2
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I'm sorry, I didn't understand. What exactly do you mean?


Basically statements like I would just throw away a broken car, things of that nature.
Again, no low blow intended as we kind of bounce around a bit.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by lrak2
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I'm sorry, I didn't understand. What exactly do you mean?


Basically statements like I would just throw away a broken car, things of that nature.
Again, no low blow intended as we kind of bounce around a bit.


It looks like you are reffering to my previous analogy of a broken car. The point I was trying to make is that sometimes you have to repair something that is incredibly hard to repair like a busted engine that costs about 1/3 of the total value of a car.

The only alternative is anarchy, which would eventually allow evil to reinfiltrate a potential new government with its new constitution, if evil is not dealt with as it arrises. We have to work with what we have and try to improve constantly.

Try to read between the lines a little!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Fair enough.
While I do agree that Anarchy will only bring in More Evil. More and bigger Govt is already infiltrated by Evil.

The one good from anarchy would be that it does not last, as people will always resort to some form of order and rules.

Keeping the Govt will only give it means to continue to grow.

Sorry for not reading between the lines. I am a very literal person in so much these days.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Theoretically the smaller a government is in terms of departments, employees and expenditures the easier it becomes to infiltrate by outside influence. We have reached a point in human history where people have no idea what evil is and up till now could not have cared less about how it runs and for whom.

That means after 220 years of american "evolution" from british dependence everyone assumed things were improving and we became totally independent. That is not the case as we are still a british colony, and britain has alwasy been an extension of the roman empire and thus the vatican as well.

It goes much deeper but I don't want to confuse people so I will leave it there. Basically both capitalism and communism are ruled by an iron fist monarchy mentality. Democracy has never really existed as the private central bankers, who are masonic chiefs and ex-knight templars, would never allow true freedom. Left wingers tend to frown upon capitalism, religious extremism and limited government for good reason.

Anarchy is an extension of limited government in the absolute as communism is an extension of socialism in the absolute. Unless evil is known and dealt with, then anarchy would simply set everything back and restart from scratch only to have another big evil government 100 years from now. History tends to repeat itself because people never learn from their past mistakes.

You make me think and I appreciate that. Good!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Theoretically the smaller a government is in terms of departments, employees and expenditures the easier it becomes to infiltrate by outside influence. We have reached a point in human history where people have no idea what evil is and up till now could not have cared less about how it runs and for whom.


How so? Ever managed people?
The larger the group, the harder to manage.
As Govt has grown, the ability for the People to manage and monitor has almost gone away.


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 

That means after 220 years of american "evolution" from british dependence everyone assumed things were improving and we became totally independent. That is not the case as we are still a british colony, and britain has alwasy been an extension of the roman empire and thus the vatican as well.

Ahh, kind of.



Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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It goes much deeper but I don't want to confuse people so I will leave it there. Basically both capitalism and communism are ruled by an iron fist monarchy mentality. Democracy has never really existed as the private central bankers, who are masonic chiefs and ex-knight templars, would never allow true freedom. Left wingers tend to frown upon capitalism, religious extremism and limited government for good reason.

Pure capitalism, outside the Constitutional Democracy we have is as you suggest.


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Anarchy is an extension of limited government in the absolute as communism is an extension of socialism in the absolute. Unless evil is known and dealt with, then anarchy would simply set everything back and restart from scratch only to have another big evil government 100 years from now. History tends to repeat itself because people never learn from their past mistakes.

You make me think and I appreciate that. Good!


Again, ahhh kind of.
I do agree that evil must be dealt with. Not fed just enough to eat us last, but defeated.
There is out dividing line.


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 


You make me think and I appreciate that. Good!

Same to you.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Theoretically the smaller a government is in terms of departments, employees and expenditures the easier it becomes to infiltrate by outside influence. We have reached a point in human history where people have no idea what evil is and up till now could not have cared less about how it runs and for whom.


How so? Ever managed people?
The larger the group, the harder to manage.
As Govt has grown, the ability for the People to manage and monitor has almost gone away.


You mean harder for queen elizabeth and pope benedict to manage? That would be good news!





Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 

That means after 220 years of american "evolution" from british dependence everyone assumed things were improving and we became totally independent. That is not the case as we are still a british colony, and britain has alwasy been an extension of the roman empire and thus the vatican as well.

Ahh, kind of.


Actually it is more than "ahh, kind of." If they taught high schoolers the truth then it would no longer be a conspiracy theory.




Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 


It goes much deeper but I don't want to confuse people so I will leave it there. Basically both capitalism and communism are ruled by an iron fist monarchy mentality. Democracy has never really existed as the private central bankers, who are masonic chiefs and ex-knight templars, would never allow true freedom. Left wingers tend to frown upon capitalism, religious extremism and limited government for good reason.

Pure capitalism, outside the Constitutional Democracy we have is as you suggest.


I thought everyone agreed that the USA is a second-hand constitutional republic. Watch the video to see what happened to the original constitution. We no longer have a sovereign nation...in fact that was a looooonggg time ago. We have a corporate charter mascarading as "the constitution".

Those that push for "back to the constitution" are inadvertantly advocating for tyranny. I don't expect you to believe me because I don't know all the factual details myself. But "the truth is out there" as my friends from the x-files would say for those who dare.

edit on 12/16/2011 by EarthCitizen07 because: fixed nested quotes



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Fair enough.
While I do agree that Anarchy will only bring in More Evil. More and bigger Govt is already infiltrated by Evil.

The one good from anarchy would be that it does not last, as people will always resort to some form of order and rules.

Keeping the Govt will only give it means to continue to grow.

Sorry for not reading between the lines. I am a very literal person in so much these days.


I grow rasberries, apples, pairs etc...

The way you get a tree or bush to produce a healthy and bountiful crop of fruit?

Prune it aggressively while at the same time feeding it lots of nutrients and fertilizer.

Smaller government...only where it needs to be...let the tax breaks for those making over 1 M expire...give the roots (middle class) some water until the draught is over.

In short a little of what the left and right want..and a little of what they don't want....but that aint gonna happen


That is the irony of our political divide, everybody is wrong and everybody is right....compromise is the best solution, but as long as talking heads paint it as Socialism vs. Plutocracey, the proper mixture for the antidote will ellude us and we will either recover very slowly or die.
edit on 16-12-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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You have me intrigued and pondering quite a bit.
Lets see what the weekend brings, research and thought wise.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Hard to disagree with what you stated.

I might go along with it, except the idea of taxing the rich.
Taxing anyone is borderline criminal.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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There is a much quiker fix though such as cutting the snake's head off and letting it rattle its way to death.

The head's snake is private central banking and in the USA that would be the Federal Reserve. Go back to the greenbacks as both Lincoln and JFK tried but ultimately failed and got killed under a ton of excuses.

When mason chiefs issue currency it makes little difference what political system we have on paper as power ends up with the royals and vatican. That is who the masons work for.......

In europe I love how parliament supposedly did them out, but people are too gullible/stupid to understand once in power ALWAYS IN POWER!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Hard to disagree with what you stated.

I might go along with it, except the idea of taxing the rich.
Taxing anyone is borderline criminal.


Capitalism is a feudalist system. To capitalise means to take advantage of others directly or indirectly.

There are those that have and those that do not have. There are lords and there are servants. A business entrepreneur is a master/lord and an employee is a payed servant. Back in the old days the king/queen would let you grow food but they would keep a good percentage of the produce. Similary today we are taxed at our own labor and pay in terms of currency.

Socialism has the potential to even-out the playing field and that is why it followed the fall of monarchies in the early 20th century in europe. Facism/Nazism was seen as a much better alternative to those ruthless monarchs and people caught on. There were many nations that went for national socialism such as germany, italy, spain, portugal, romania, bulgaria, turkey, etc

The USA supported britain and france because they were pro-capitalism and thus pro-monarchies. Everyone thinks the world won freedom when we actually won slavery. Jews were alwasy known as money hoarders, gypsies were though of as dirty, and communists were known as zombies. Hitler had good ideas but he was too fanatical in carrying out his plans, then he lost and the propaganda machine took over painting him as evil as satan himself.

Reality is a bitch for those that know!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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One Big A$$ Mistake America !!! This is the same guy who has lied to America! Obama has failed us and lied to us!



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

A central bank is a communistic item? What? So in your bright idea we maintain the privately held central bank that has us time and time again answering to foreign elements? You think this is th way it should be?

It is you who clearly has not a clue of what they speak of. A Nationalized central bank not owned by any private entity is the only way forward.

Your true colours have now been revealed, The free market has no business in matters pertaining to that of privatization of key elements of the Governmental infrastructure!

PAID PLANT FOR THE SCUM IDENTIFIED!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!


wow...yeah, I think it is time to call for certain people to be put in straight jackets...


I gave DIRECT QUOTES from leftwinger sources and still some idiots claim this is not so...

It does show how delluded those people are...

I HAVE NEVER said there should be a private central bank, imo there should be NO CENTRAL BANK WHATSOEVER...

One more thing, obviously you haven't heard that certain LEFTWINGERS have been wanting to install a GLOBAL LEFTWING dictatorship, or what they call New World Order, with One government, One economy, and pretty much One everything...

Forming a central bank is part of LEFTWINGER doctrines, not part of the Constitutional Representative Republic the United States is supposed to be...

BTW, how are your LEFTWINGER groups in OWS doing?...



edit on 19-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

There are those that have and those that do not have. There are lords and there are servants. A business entrepreneur is a master/lord and an employee is a payed servant. Back in the old days the king/queen would let you grow food but they would keep a good percentage of the produce. Similary today we are taxed at our own labor and pay in terms of currency.
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You obviously haven't experienced, or even read much about history, you just described what happens in SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST dictatorships...

The old Kings and Queens, used to claim they did all those things they did "for the good of the country and the crown", in socialism/communism it is done "for the good of the revolution and everyone", except that just like in feudalism the power is held only by a few who claim to do what's best for the people...

Taxation is not part of a capitalistic society, in fact taxation is socialist/communist in nature...

Feudalism was certainly NOT capitalistic, since there is no free market, and the people for the most part do not have private property.

In socialist/communist dictatorships, the top brass of the socialist/communist party/the Kings/Queens and lords hold power over all land and they have a say in what should be done with, or in that land.

In Feudalism people lived in the lands of a few, the lords, and the people could not buy land, just like you find in socialist/communist systems.

Although Feudalism is not completely socialistic, several features in Feudalism are socialist/communist.

Let's remind certain people the truth...




1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (in feudalism the people could not have private property)
2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3.Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5.Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6.Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8.Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10.Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.(12)

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Enjoy the american dictatorship!!!



Which has been brought to us thanks to PROGRESS and "LEFTWINGERS"...


In his first term as President, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass major progressive reforms. Historian John Cooper argues that in his first term, Wilson successfully pushed a legislative agenda that few presidents have equaled, and remained unmatched up until the New Deal.[1] This agenda included the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and an income tax.
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en.wikipedia.org...

PROGRESS gave the U.S., and Americans a central bank, the Feds, the IRS, and other legislative programs which have made sure to make Americans slaves. As such, PROGRESSIVE ideas gave power over the economy, and made other legislative agendas which merges/centralizes all power and gives it to a few people who claim to "represent the people, and do what's best for the people"...


Thank you PROGRESS, and thank you LEFTWINGERS...


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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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THAT idiotic statement is one of the most Marxist treasonous bits of irrational blather I've ever heard come out the smelly insanity spewing orifice of any politician anywhere.

He sure learned his Marxism well.

What a traitorous creature from hell and Kenya.

GRRRRR



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

I HAVE NEVER said there should be a private central bank, imo there should be NO CENTRAL BANK WHATSOEVER...


We need a public central bank, where the government issues the currency and the prime rate goes to the treasury which means less taxation, if any at all. Ron Paul's idea is audit the FED and then break it appart into many private central banks each issuing their own currency. That is wrong because it creates confusion and is quite incompatible with the global enviroment.


One more thing, obviously you haven't heard that certain LEFTWINGERS have been wanting to install a GLOBAL LEFTWING dictatorship, or what they call New World Order, with One government, One economy, and pretty much One everything...


That is pure misinformation. Anyone with an ounce of common sense sees global capitalism with lack of sufficient tariffs, intentionally promoted by the global investors/speculators.


Forming a central bank is part of LEFTWINGER doctrines, not part of the Constitutional Representative Republic the United States is supposed to be...


Except we want a public central bank rather than a private one or competing private banks.


BTW, how are your LEFTWINGER groups in OWS doing?...



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And how is castro doing? You obviously left cuba because you could not give your land to the communist regime and did not want to work for the nation. Che quevara would hate you!



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
We need a public central bank, where the government issues the currency and the prime rate goes to the treasury which means less taxation, if any at all. Ron Paul's idea is audit the FED and then break it appart into many private central banks each issuing their own currency. That is wrong because it creates confusion and is quite incompatible with the global enviroment.


No. The centralized bank system is how the Govt and Globalist control the US.
Remember, placing power back to the States and the People is the best solution.
Central planning a la Fed Govt has failed so far.



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