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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Increasing tariffs leads to isolationism and protectionism.
Not fruitful roads to travel.
And why did costs rise here for those companies that moved off shore?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Because of a multitude of somewhat strict regulations in every regard.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I support unions and their pursuit of representing labor concerns. They lobby for me and I appreciate that. They put pressure on corporations for higher wages, a healthier work enviroment, bonus and retirement perks, etc.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Corporations look out for their stockholders.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Government looks out for the nation.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
God looks out for everyone.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Why is protectionism bad when it balances exports with imports and promotes domestic job creation? That fails every logic test unless you are a big time investor in wall street..and maybe if you are lucky access to insider information.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
People are not dumb. We tend to lookout for ourselves first and that is the natural way!
Originally posted by macman
Unions are destroying the ISP sector. Look at the price comparison between QWest/Century Link and say PAETEC or Intergra Telecom.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Corporations look out for their stockholders.
As they should
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Government looks out for the nation.
You would hope, but the Govt looks out for itself.
Because then outside countries won' trade with us. We become......isolated.
If a company is punished by the Govt for moving off shore, then they either close up shop for good, or move and don't deal with the US. Or do it with several middle men.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
People are not dumb. We tend to lookout for ourselves first and that is the natural way!
And that is the way it should be.
I, after all work and slave a job to provide for myself, not everyone else.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You have every right to be ardently pro-business, just like others have every right to be pro-unions. Capitalism is NOT the only way, there are other ways which are probably better, such as market socialism or any socialism for that matter.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
When everyone becomes fixated on profit, they can't see the forest from the trees. You become greedy, which is not necessarily bad, till it becomes uncontrollable and leads to the decay of society..
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
That is called corruption brought upon by first amendment donations. When donations get abolished, an appropriate poll tax applied to everyone(including corporations) and the campaign process becomes shortened then I guarantee you the policies will change.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Isolation can be brought upon for many reasons, of which one of them is by high tariffs. I am not for high tariffs but you like to exaggerate everything to make your points. Low tariffs are equally bad because they encourage globalisation and off-shoring. There needs to be A BALANCE!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You have a right to be selfish as long as our corrupt government allows it. I would understand your frustration if you accussed the government of waste and cheating, but that is not what you stated. I go with what is posted.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
And to be frank our government barely deserves any money at all!
Originally posted by dadgad
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by dadgad
Sometimes, yes, but usually these people who accumulate such immense wealth do so through exploiting their workers or society in general.
The point I was trying to make was that much of their wealth has not been 'earned' by them.
Capitalism is profoundly unjust as seen by the wealth inequality today.
This quote summarizes an aspect of my point:
If wealth was the inevitable result of hard work and enterprise, every woman in Africa would be a millionaire. - George Monbiotedit on 13-12-2011 by lrak2 because: addendum
Certainly it is unjust, I wholly agree on that. The thing that bothers me is that we (left) don't seem to have any realistic alternative. This is a strange time we live in.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
You really believe that socio-economic factors don't play a role in limiting or expanding the opportunity available to someone?
Let's try a thought experiment.
There are two people; one was born to a family who lives in absolute poverty (their income is just able to cover basic needs of food & shelter).
The other person is born to an extremely wealthy family worth billions, and whose parents control the largest corporations in the world and went to elite universities.
Where is the equal opportunity here?
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
You make plenty of assumptions here.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
My contempt is aimed at an economic system that allowed a few people to accumulate so much wealth.
You would not tolerate it if I took away your freedoms, would you? So why should I tolerate it when gain such wealth through exploiting the rest of society and the environment, thereby taking away my freedoms either directly or indirectly?
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
If a person is born into absolute poverty, it will be very rare for him/her to climb out. This is where you and I differ, it's not about playing God, but reconstituting society to help others. My freedom is deeply connected to others in the society. There are Religious Socialists who understand this.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
(Mods and Admins, This post here is on topic as the topic matter of the thread is so vast that it does not cover any one particular item but covers them all, Thanks, D1!)
What about The Federal Reserve then? Do you want them to continue unchequed without no one allowed to know what they do? If you are for privatization why not privatize the Dept of Defense while we are at it and why stop there, let's allow for police departments to wear corporate logos instead of department logos.
Privatization is good but up until a certain point and that point is that no part or key element of The US Federal Govt Infrastructure and Overall Architecture should not ever be privatized. Can you at least agree that privatization of elements of Govt should not ever be considered!
The current structure of the free market system is fundamentally corrupted and may not have a chance of ever coming back.edit on 15-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
That is where we differ.
For me, what is important is having freedom plus the actual capacity to utilize it, for everyone not just myself. Their freedom is also my freedom.
You give supreme importance to the individual; I recognize both the individual as well as the greater society which forms the individual.
Having freedom but not being able to exercise it is not of much use to anyone.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
(Mods and Admins, This post here is on topic as the topic matter of the thread is so vast that it does not cover any one particular item but covers them all, Thanks, D1!)
What about The Federal Reserve then? Do you want them to continue unchequed without no one allowed to know what they do? If you are for privatization why not privatize the Dept of Defense while we are at it and why stop there, let's allow for police departments to wear corporate logos instead of department logos.
Privatization is good but up until a certain point and that point is that no part or key element of The US Federal Govt Infrastructure and Overall Architecture should not ever be privatized. Can you at least agree that privatization of elements of Govt should not ever be considered!
The current structure of the free market system is fundamentally corrupted and may not have a chance of ever coming back.edit on 15-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
What does the "THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING" lend to?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
What does the "THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING" lend to?
To be honest I don't know. But what does this have to do with anything?
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Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
What does the "THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING" lend to?
To be honest I don't know. But what does this have to do with anything?
I really don't know either.
Just thought that it stood out like a sore thumb, and the statement leads to believe that it is not valid, canceled or expired.