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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
If he'd prefer a socialist nation....He's welcome to go FIND one. This has never been one...and outside the major cities, it never WILL BE one.


Correct. The United States has always been in the clutches of slave owners and/or capitalist BANKERS.

Oh wait... not correct, before the white, ango saxon, protestant, tea drinking club of "pioneers" from my continent arrived, socialist native Indians owned the land, and they were robbed, poisoned and murdered. Then "capitalism" (a term coined by Karl Marx, denoting head, as in head of the snake) disembarked behind them, and the Indians would be wiped from the pages of history, with heirs of the colonists, like you, singing the praises of an economic system of repression that was then alien to the soil under your feet.

Anways, per your suggestion, Obama should probably go to democratically socialist Norway in that case (there are very few socialist parties in power in Europe), and I assure you Norway is run vastly better than the United States is. (Apart from the occasional gun-toting right-wing racist nut job, like Anders Breivik, launching on an anti-socialist killing spree)




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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Howcome CNN didnt report on this?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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I don,t know, but either way you spin this it don't look good. That's probably why.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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The dumb ass is somewhat right - depends on if we are talking local markets
or meta markets. The founders were not wrong, but they were not aware of
binary money and many other things that cannot be considered synonymous
with a pelt or a barrel of molasses. I think the founders hearts were in the right
place, with a sterling idea...but again they were not of the future.

The Federal government made many things worse and many things better too.

I like HIPPA, student loans, Miranda rights and 8 hour work days...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
If he'd prefer a socialist nation....He's welcome to go FIND one. This has never been one...and outside the major cities, it never WILL BE one.


Correct. The United States has always been in the clutches of slave owners and/or capitalist BANKERS.

Oh wait... not correct, before the white, ango saxon, protestant, tea drinking club of "pioneers" from my continent arrived, socialist native Indians owned the land, and they were robbed, poisoned and murdered. Then "capitalism" (a term coined by Karl Marx, denoting head, as in head of the snake) disembarked behind them, and the Indians would be wiped from the pages of history, with heirs of the colonists, like you, singing the praises of an economic system of repression that was then alien to the soil under your feet.

Anways, per your suggestion, Obama should probably go to democratically socialist Norway in that case (there are very few socialist parties in power in Europe), and I assure you Norway is run vastly better than the United States is. (Apart from the occasional gun-toting right-wing racist nut job, like Anders Breivik, launching on an anti-socialist killing spree)



Thank you.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:30 AM
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And the Obama fans claim he is not a socialist, or what today are called, among many other names "progressive democrats"...


We need to fire this clown from office. Government should ALWAYS be limited, otherwise the people will lose control over the nation...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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Ok, isn't this "Nostradamus" doom coming all over.

Wasn't some of the "predictions", that you had the son who would continue the work of the father (GW Bush, Sr. and Jr.) ... followed by 666 ?

Tell me if I'm wrong.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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Text Correct. Not only is it a contextomy, along the lines of Hannity and Breitbart, it further reinforces the relentless propaganda meme that Obama is somehow anti-capitalist.


I had to look up the word contextomy


I agree with you.To imply that Obama is anti-capitalist is absurd.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

Correct. The United States has always been in the clutches of slave owners and/or capitalist BANKERS.


WRONG... socialist ideas where the ones to give us over to the banker elites. Who was it that gave the keys to the Feds/banker elites?... It wasn't capitalists, it was PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who alongside Woodrow Wilson signed among many other "PROGRESSIVE" laws the FEderal Reserve Act back in 1913...


Originally posted by snowcrash911

Oh wait... not correct, before the white, ango saxon, protestant, tea drinking club of "pioneers" from my continent arrived, socialist native Indians owned the land, and they were robbed, poisoned and murdered. Then "capitalism" (a term coined by Karl Marx, denoting head, as in head of the snake) disembarked behind them, and the Indians would be wiped from the pages of history, with heirs of the colonists, like you, singing the praises of an economic system of repression that was then alien to the soil under your feet.

Anways, per your suggestion, Obama should probably go to democratically socialist Norway in that case (there are very few socialist parties in power in Europe), and I assure you Norway is run vastly better than the United States is. (Apart from the occasional gun-toting right-wing racist nut job, like Anders Breivik, launching on an anti-socialist killing spree)


WRONG again...the native tribes used to barter among other tribes, and among themselves, that is a form of a FREE MARKET aka CAPITALISM...

Capitalism includes bartering, not just for money but services and goods...

Of course the United States and the WORLD ECONOMY are in crisis... LEFTWINGERS ARE IN POWER...



edit on 8-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by Misoir
 


The dumb ass is somewhat right - depends on if we are talking local markets
or meta markets. The founders were not wrong, but they were not aware of
binary money and many other things that cannot be considered synonymous
with a pelt or a barrel of molasses. I think the founders hearts were in the right
place, with a sterling idea...but again they were not of the future.



Nonsense ... the founding fathers were right.

The reason for the problems, is that "government" has gotten out of hand. The Government went into a war, without declaring one ... it breaks human rights, without answering for it ... this is what has gotten out of hand. The government got "homeland security" ... which puts its nose everywhere ...

This is the "heart" of the problem ...

You want to replace freedom for security? if you do, then look carefully at your wife and children and your family. Tell yourself how much love them ... because they won't get that security ... because you aren't one of 1%. And if you don't believe me, go to China ... and see how the "peasants" are fairing. Because "eventually", if you trade "freedom" for "security" a "China syndrome" is exactly what you will get. The founding fathers came from a society, where the "kings" (replace with corporation) were the rulers, and everyone had to bow, pay taxes and homeage to them. To the founding fathers, America was freedom ... because it gave them the chance, to get rid of the shacles of bondage ... and start a new world ... a new existance. And because they got OUT of bondage ... we now have "modern world".

Without the founding fathers, America and the freedom ... we'd ALL be peasants in China. And if you don't wake up ... that's what you'll get eventually. And that is what communism is about ... a few people, sucking the life out of the peasants and having them work 24 hours a day ... to eat ... while they themselves walk around in rich and wealth ... and if they happen to drive over and kill a peasant ... nobody cares.

Is that the future you want for your family? if Yes, then right on ... if No ... wake the hell up and get those nazis out of office.

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by snowcrash911

Correct. The United States has always been in the clutches of slave owners and/or capitalist BANKERS.


WRONG... socialist ideas where the ones to give us over to the banker elites.


conservative ideas are the ones that make sure the corporation and the bankers
are eternally free, thanks to hiding behind the free market, marketing plan


Wanna challenge the banks today? You are deemed a socialist. Guess who calls the
person a socialist? Guess who wants to give the banks more freedom and more power?

AMEN



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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By the way: JFK's anti-communism, but latent socialism was one of the reasons he was murdered... by right wingers. He wanted to bridge the gap between rich and poor. Have a social, just society. He was considered "anti-business", by the fat cats from the steel industry and the oil barons. Sound familiar? Remember the McCarthy era?

Obama socialist? What a crock. The ongoing miseducation of the American people is the most potent, malignant force at the disposal of the ruling class. Of course this is class warfare. The lower class have been on the receiving end of merciless class warfare since time immemorial. Since they were serfs in a feudal society, and now, they are losing their hard fought rights on the altar of Obama's so-called "socialism". Hilarious. What a con job. If you believe Obama, a capitalist rightist and social conservative, is a socialist, than you may just be naive enough to believe the ideological flavor of the extreme right tastes "moderate". That's the true aim here. Apparently most of you bought it hook, line and sinker.

I believe somebody in this thread admonished you all to judge Obama for what he is, not for what he's not. I agree. Talk about his subservience to his campaign financiers and Wall Street, and to the Military Industrial Surveillance Complex.

You don't need budget cuts. You are paying rich people's bonuses and war profiteers' beach vacations. How about you snap out of it, ditch the Ron Paul lapel, who proposes to fight fire with fire and dispose of the oxymoronic "free market" system which enslaves you altogether? How about a society without money? Do you ever even consider it? Did humans not exist before there were coins, bank notes, checking accounts, treasury bonds, stock portfolios and toxic derivatives? Or did they?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

conservative ideas are the ones that make sure the corporation and the bankers
are eternally free, thanks to hiding behind the free market, marketing plan


Wanna challenge the banks today? You are deemed a socialist. Guess who calls the
person a socialist? Guess who wants to give the banks more freedom and more power?

AMEN




Ignorant crap ...

I suggest you go and visit China ... it's a communist country. To get a driver license, you need a bank account ... and if you run over a red light, it's automatically drawn from your bank account. If you run over and kill someone ... you have to pay money. If somebody hijacks your child and sells it as slave labour, you'll have to bring a receipt to get compensation. Maybe they'll give you a "dime", literally.

If this is the world you want ... get the hell out of the western world and move your family to China.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

WRONG... socialist ideas where the ones to give us over to the banker elites.


Yeah, it was Karl Marx in a banker disguise.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Who was it that gave the keys to the Feds/banker elites?... It wasn't capitalists, it was PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who alongside Woodrow Wilson signed among many other "PROGRESSIVE" laws the FEderal Reserve Act back in 1913...


In case you missed it, what Americans call liberal, we call rightists. There is nothing "socialist" about Democrats or what Americans call "progressives". Obama is a hardcore, Wall Street worshiping capitalist prostitute.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
WRONG again...the native tribes used to barter among other tribes, and among themselves, that is a form of a FREE MARKET aka CAPITALISM...

Capitalism includes bartering, not just for money but services and goods...


Here we have a prime example of the monstrous disinformation machine gripping American mind, soul and body. This is totally false.

WP: Gift economics

Look up "Native Americans".

As for Barter:


Contrary to popular conception, there is no evidence of a society or economy that relied primarily on barter.[2]


WP: Barter


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Of course the United States and the WORLD ECONOMY are in crisis... LEFTWINGERS ARE IN POWER...


No, actually, a Wall Street sponsored, money grubbing capitalist whore is in the White House. What else is new? And, as I said earlier, the administrations of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Great Britain, The Netherlands, Poland and Portugal are all run by right wingers.

South America is doing much better. So who's in charge there?
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911
By the way: JFK's anti-communism, but latent socialism was one of the reasons he was murdered... by right wingers. He wanted to bridge the gap between rich and poor. Have a social, just society. He was considered "anti-business", by the fat cats from the steel industry and the oil barons. Sound familiar? Remember the McCarthy era?


What a bunch of crap ... another JFK' conspiracy theory.

Mr. Jhon F. Kennedy was murdered because of Cuba and the Cuba crisis.

Move your sorry ignorant butt to China ...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Text WRONG again...the native tribes used to barter among other tribes, and among themselves, that is a form of a FREE MARKET aka CAPITALISM...


Free Market prices are based on supply and demand. What America has are markets that are controlled/regulated.The rich can make money on speculative bubbles on food prices whilst at the same time they contribute to the deaths of many on the other side of the world through starvation. Who do you think benifits from this? Socialists? Commies? Or is it the psychotic capitalists that benifit. You can make alot of money sitting on a pile of grain,who cares if it contributes to the death of strangers? I dont think you understand socialism. You dont understand capitalism and you dont understand the free market. You are McCarthyist.

And you seem to think Woodrow Wilson is some kind of trump card.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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No human wisdom is eternal. So it is with the founding fathers. Sometimes we have to look in other directions remembering well their intentions rather than their prescriptions. The founding fathers would welcome a debate about their views, definitely more than some Americans today would.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Jesus, Obama is right about something. He took his time!



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

Yeah, it was Karl Marx in a banker disguise.




Another [SNIP] dude ...

"Karl Marx was born in 1818 and died in 1893. Marx was a German Jew. His father was a lawyer. When Marx was six years of age, his family became Christian but religion never appealed spiritually to Marx who later referred to it as “the opium of the people”."

Here is the list of Karl Marx's points of view, and what he wanted: Now YOU READ POINT 5, [SNIP]

1) The abolition of the property/ownership of land.

2) Income tax to be graded to income – the more an individual earned, the more they paid. The less you earned, the less you paid.

3) Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4) The confiscation of all property of immigrants and rebels.

5) The centralisation of all credit into the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive economy.

6) Centralisation of all means of communication and transport into the hands of the state.

7) The extension of factories and the instrument of production owned by the state. Bringing into cultivation all land not being used that could be and an improvement in the fertility of the soil.

8) The equal obligation of all to work and the establishment of an industrial and agricultural armies.

9) The combination of agriculture and manufacturing industries with the gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by the more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10) Free education for all children in public schools. The abolition of child labour in factories; an educated child would be better for society in the long term, than a child not educated.


edit on 12/8/2011 by dbates because: Removed inflammatory remarks



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn
What a bunch of crap ... another JFK' conspiracy theory.


Read carefully rightist, I said "one of the reasons."

Who killed Kennedy? It wasn't socialists. It wasn't communists. It was YOUR FRIENDS from the SOUTH together with the ANTI-CASTRO CUBANS.

How's that kool aid going down for ya?


Originally posted by bjarneorn
Move your sorry ignorant butt to China ...


Like I said, I'm European. I live under a right wing government. We've never had a left wing government. Ever.

How about you move back to the UK, where you originally came from and leave your land to its owners, the Native Indians?




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