Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Dashdragon
The sun being around 51-52 degrees further south than the Cape during the day means that the ecliptic, on the night side of the planet would be around
22-23 degrees north, or only 5 degrees south of the Cape
No. You haven't verified the photo. And no the ecliptic is always the same in relationship to the equator. And no, the crescent is first visible at
twilight - not day and not night.
What in the hell are you talking about?
Are you seriously STILL not understanding the elementary concept of how the seasons work with the Earth's tilt as far as day and night? What do you
think I said changed? I gave an estimate for where the ecliptic would be on the night side of the planet given where you stated it was on the day
side with the sun's latitudinal position. Do you not think the ecliptic makes a straight line through the center of the Earth? Does it curve??
If the sun, during the winter, (this is the day side of the planet), is 51-52 degrees below the Cape (51-28=23 estimations of course, but basically it
shows we're still pretty close to 23.5 degrees) that means the ecliptic is above 23 degrees south on the day side of Earth.
Now, we're talking past the winter solstice...that means we're past the point in our 365.24 day orbit when the Earth's axial tilt has us leaning
directly away from the sun, so things are going to be starting to shift back towards spring/summer with the days getting longer (because we aren't
tilted as much away from the sun)
That means the sun will start to move further north in the sky during the day and the path of the ecliptic on the night side will shift south at the
exact same rate.
(watch this over and over again until what we're explaining
sinks in because you're evidently missing something very crucial here)
The line of ecliptic, on the opposite side of the planet...known as the night side...could not pass through the same degree of latitude as the day
side in winter. The two times of year when it does is called the equinox and they are the only times during the year that it does. That's when, if
you look at the animation, when the tilt of the Earth is neither pointed towards nor away from the sun.
Draw a line around an orange...lean the orange at an angle and then cut straight through the middle of it. Then tell me if one part of the cut isn't
above that line while the other is about equal below. It's a poor example, but lord...if after all the diagrams we've thrown at you and you still
can't get it, I don't know what to say.
These are things that man figured out from observation over thousands of years. Even when they didn't understand why they happened, they still knew
when things were going to be visible and where in the sky. Stonehenge is a good lasting example of this.
I truly can't fathom from what I've read of your posts that you could still not understand this luxor. That leads me to one of 2 conclusions. Either
you realized you were wrong a long time ago and would rather try and fight it out until we give up just so you can achieve some twisted false victory
rather than just let this silently drop and admit you were wrong...
Or you have another agenda to try and convince people of something else that you want to use this as a lead-in to and your intention was purely for
deception and disinfo from the start
That is why Illustronic is frustrated and 'ranting' about this thread (and the others you two have 'contributed' of this nature) as you put it. This
thread is a model of blatant ignorance that ATS is supposed to stand against and instead of denying it, it's attempting to convince people to not only
embrace, but further expand their ignorance.
edit on 10-3-2012 by Dashdragon because: (no reason given)