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Originally posted by MagnitudeZero
Lol!
Haha, I just read back through the thread - because I thought "oh no, it would be really embarrassing if my response had already been mentioned, and then I'd look like a tool on ATS of all places".
How can you all have such heated debates about Lunar phases, changes in the Earth's tilt etc, and not recognise earthshine when you see it?
Originally posted by comppwizz
reply to post by ProudBird
it does when people are using magnetic north to prove that every thing is where it should be.
and they are using programs that get updated every other week to correct any number of issues with what ?
omg we totaly got our calculations wrong on where every thing chould be next week we need to send out a update right away so people wont think there is something wrong and start some end of the world crap lol
where do they all get there UPDATED star charts from ? nasa ?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
You ask why the 40th parallel is being fixated on...yet the images provided as to why this is all so wrong and how the moon is totally jacked up have all been from where? Yea...around 40 degrees north.
Tut tut...links have been provided with photos and there has been witness testimony in this thread from 33 degrees n latitude, 35 degrees n latitude, 36 degrees n latitude, 38.5 degrees n latitude, 39 degrees n latitude, 40 degrees n latitude, 42 degrees n latitude, 47.5 degrees n latitude, 51 degrees n latitude, 53 degrees n latitude, 54 degrees n latitude. There is one entry for 40 degrees n latitude. Let's be precise, shall we?
The angular orientation of the phases of the moon will be near identical to the naked eye from one location to the other at such a small difference.
Prove it. The moon is currently around 22 degrees. That's a difference of 14 degrees to Las Vegas, which is a difference of 966 miles/1554 kilometers. Prove to me that the light on the moon, all the light at the bottom, the boat moon, is the same angle from those two locations. And please, no polar orbits for the moon.
Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
reply to post by CherubBaby
and as so many people are so fond of saying "the Sun and stars are right where they should be" - maybe the Earth's orbit has changed slightly.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by ngchunter
You just contradicted your entire claim. Now, what do you think it's going to look like on January 30 1971 from 29.5 degrees north? 30.5? 31.5? Etc, at what point will it suddenly be a "vertical" moon not a "horizontal" moon? You could use Stellarium to find out...
Nothing has been contradicted.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by CherubBaby
OP: here are some links in support of the boat moon at the equator. Now there are boats galore in diverse places.
Equatorial moon is a term that describes the boat moon as seen on the equator. The equator is at 0 degrees on earth and runs around the center of it halfway between both poles.
This is about the boat moon, an equatorial phenomena, being seen all around the world at diverse latitudes.
The boat moon is a question of latitude. It happens at the equator.
If the sun is at 28.5 Tropic of Cancer, the moon must be there too, theoretically, for a boat moon although I have never read anything about just the boat moon that says anything other than it is seen at the equator.
Please spare me your stellarium construct. It is clear that stellarium shows the moon where it is and not where it should be.
The boat moon, smile moon, all the light at the bottom moon is being seen as far north as Poland. This doesn't give you even a bit of a chill?
it does when people are using magnetic north to prove that every thing is where it should be.
and they are using programs that get updated every other week to correct any number of issues with what ?
where do they all get there UPDATED star charts from ? nasa ?[/quoe]
More nonsense. NASA is not the only Space Agency on the planet.
Go, get educated and grab a cup of reality.
.......and I empathize with your frustration.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by ColAngus
I went to a lot of effort to find those easily understood links for you showing what might possibly be causing the boat at diverse mid-latitudes and all you have to say is how awesome you are? Anyway, on to the corrections: Sedna couldn't cause it, not enough mass. Nibiru wasn't mentioned in the links I provided. They were mostly from traditional sources and included Mike Brown, a sort of mouthpiece for NASA when it comes to things Kuiper and Oort. Tyche was not mentioned although it's a personal favorite and Cybertron and Romulan - what??!! So in the future, it's going to be two-liners for you.
You already answered your own question. If the moon is in position for a crescent moon at the horizon, it could have as little angular rotation as 14 degrees from being perfectly horizontal in Las Vegas if the ecliptic is currently above 22 degrees north on the night side of Earth.
The old picture from Cape Canaveral is important because the moon is pretty close to being perfectly horizontal at 28.5 degrees north. That would mean that the same moon, when viewed from Las Vegas on the same night, would - by the same simple subtraction we used before - have a rotation of around 7.5 degrees.
The Cape photo completely and utterly debunks such a ridiculous claim.
You are such a liar.
Everyone look at that last quote, clear as crystal, Luxor clearly stated and believed that the "boat moon" only happened at the equator, not as far north as 28.5 degrees. She now changes her tune and pretends she didn't change her tune.
...although I have never read anything about just the boat moon that says anything other than it is seen at the equator.
It's up to you to show how that is wrong and gives a value for the moon's position that shows "where it is" and "not where it should be."
No, because dishonest people like you tend to have a very loose definition of what constitutes a "smile moon."
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by luxordelphi
.......and I empathize with your frustration.
This is trolling behavior.
I have read through every post here, and any time someone who has shown to be incorrect in so many ways carries on in this manner, there is no other term for it that describes it more succinctly.
Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by ngchunter
You know what? This is a discussion. Opinions come and go and so do certain facts. but regardless of what you believe or what you don't believe you have no right to call Luxor a liar. You need to really think on this one. You don't need to and you shouldn't call Luxor a liar. She is not a liar.. Understand?? She is not a liar!!
If the sun is at 28.5 Tropic of Cancer, the moon must be there too, theoretically, for a boat moon although I have never read anything about just the boat moon that says anything other than it is seen at the equator. In fact, I have read sites that say if you are seeing this moon, where on earth are you? And the answer is: on the equator.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
It's up to you to show how that is wrong and gives a value for the moon's position that shows "where it is" and "not where it should be."
It's not up to me to prove anything about stellarium.
Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by ngchunter
you cant be serious and tell me that saying it shouldnt means you think its not. The point is there are many articles that say its an equatorial phenomena.
Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by ngchunter
you cant be serious and tell me that saying it shouldnt means you think its not. The point is there are many articles that say its an equatorial phenomena. The same articles say if you were seeing a boat moon cheshire moon smiley moon etc "where would you be on the earth?" The answer given by the ones I have read ages ago is
"You would be on the equator" Thats all I can tell you....
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by ColAngus
So...a brief respite from your two-liners? Baited, as it were, by...?
Asking for answers that have already been given.