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Israeli former general: We'll have to bulldoze Gaza

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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I am not a muslim. I merely know who the real evildoers are and believe in calling a spade a spade. As an indian I have no choice but to side against the invaders of any land.




posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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then you must know, our opinion doesn't count, but good debate.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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I refuse to look at any propaganda from that website. Show me an independent source and I might acknowledge some of what you have to say

And it is not denial or evasion. Regardless of what the charter actually says it is more logical to see what they stand for based on their actions...............blah blah blah!


So continued denial and evasion..................................what on earth are you doing posting about this subject if you don't even know (or are pretending not to) what the hamas charter calls for!?



"it is more logical to see what they stand for based on their actions." - that would be continuous rocket attacks targeted at civilians then - commonly known as a 'war crimes' - using human shields, kidnapping, hostage taking, using children as living bombs, blowing up restaurants full of women and children.

ie a continuous assault on Israeli civilians by any means at their disposal - not for the purposes of any military advantage - but in order to force an israeli response, whilst they hide behind their own non-combatants, in order to create civilian casualties that they can use as propaganda!



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by seenavv
 





I refuse to look at any propaganda from that website. Show me an independent source and I might acknowledge some of what you have to say

And it is not denial or evasion. Regardless of what the charter actually says it is more logical to see what they stand for based on their actions...............blah blah blah!


So continued denial and evasion..................................what on earth are you doing posting about this subject if you don't even know (or are pretending not to) what the hamas charter calls for!?



"it is more logical to see what they stand for based on their actions." - that would be continuous rocket attacks targeted at civilians then - commonly known as a 'war crimes' - using human shields, kidnapping, hostage taking, using children as living bombs, blowing up restaurants full of women and children.

ie a continuous assault on Israeli civilians by any means at their disposal - not for the purposes of any military advantage - but in order to force an israeli response, whilst they hide behind their own non-combatants, in order to create civilian casualties that they can use as propaganda!
I do not deny Hamas has commited such atrocities. Hamas with its lack of capital, resources, and manpower resorts to small scale guerilla warfare tactics as an attempt to fight against the invaders of their land and murderers of their people. I do not condone such actions however I am not surprised by them. However it has become clear over the years that regardless of what Hamas does, Israel has not, and will not allow the co-existence of Palestine especially with the most recent attempt at Palestinians bid for statehood. I have yet to evade any of your arguments and ignore anything you have to say except your blatantly biased, pro-Zionist/ Israel website and the information they present.

If anyone has evaded anything it is your absence of a response to the Israeli atrocities committed against the Palestinian people on their own land systematically: through funding by the United States, witholding of information from people and the press, manipulation of the media, blatant lies, demolition of innocent civilian homes and various other property, occasional murdering of innocent civilians, use of chemical weapons, creating illegal blockade around a region of 1.5 million people and depriving them of the ability to live healthy lives, and abuse of civilians in certain settlements (Second). What do you seriously expect Hamas to do in the midst of all this, respond to Israel with open arms? Invite them to their homes for tea and cookies?

Here is some more if your not convinced who are the aggressors:


ISRAEL - BBC / israeli soldiers shot children while eating chocalate and chips
3 Children, 14 Civilians and Reuters journalist with vehicle CLEARLY marked pressed killed
Gaza Children in Israeli Hospital After Drone Attack
White phosphorus illegal chemical weapons 1
White phosphorus illegal chemical weapons 2
Hamas MAINTAINED ceasefire
Again who broke the ceasefire in 2009

edit on 7-12-2011 by seenavv because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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guys, guys
hey guys
Listen

i have an idea

we could kill everyones, so, this way... no more wars ?

Guys, hey , watttya think about it ?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Why don't you just admit it - your support of Hamas is an act of blind political faith, nothing more! - you don't even know why you support them and consequently have nothing to back it up but grotesque 'inversion of reality' propaganda canards.

Israel builds a wall to stop suicide bombers etc - you accuse them of 'imprisoning' them - ludicrous and shamefull!

Hamas demands the genocide of Israel on the basis of Islamic mandates - you pretend they don't (but if they do it's only you know 'understandable' - you whole position is an ill thought out joke!



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Are you kidding me really you talk about blind political faith toss in radical religious brainwashing if these links don't prove brainwashing from an early age throughout school Gifts of love from Isreal and Isreal's school books I just don't know what to say it's plain and simple to me. And these are just from google search there are plenty of other stuff out there.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Here we go again... or is it still? Yes, it's most definitely still. I'm sick of this "who's version of God's Word is better" war. Three different religions, all worshipping the same god, all of them led astray by mortal men hundreds, if not thousands of years ago. All of them responsible for most of the bloodshed mankind has had to endure during its time on this rock.
How about we get rid of all of the Abrahamic Religions and let "god" sort them out? If they're all true believers they should jump at the opportunity to meet their maker, leaving the rest of the world in peace, instead of pieces.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
In America , if a house is used to make or sell drugs out of, its is destroyed. This is most important if it is used to cook street drugs in. What would be the difference if someone is storing rockets, or firing rockets from that neighborhood? remove the homes and no more rockets will be there.


Well i guess Israel will be bulldozing it's own munitions stockpile then ...should be interesting and you're comparing the notion of drugs to rockets xD drugs can't be used to stop an enemy tank and have an effective range of a baseball -_-' depending ofcourse on the weight of the drugs and how exactly is Israel going to bulldoze in a city street without casuing structual damage to other buildings wich they will then legally have to fork out the cash to repair? since the house next to it wasnt storing or making drugs?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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I really feel for the family of Rachel Corrie however, as much as an activist she was for human rights Rachel should not have put herself in front of a bulldozer, that was plain foolishness, brave but foolish.

I hope the driver and whoever was giving the orders, were brought to justice by Israeli courts, it was plain wrong! However, are some people more outraged that this was done to an American citizen and that American's should have been treated better than Palestinian's, that's not right or fair either!

The Palestinian's did not stand in front of the bulldozer, neither did any of her pro-activists, unfortunately Rachel did and paid with her life. Her friends and the Palestinian's should NEVER have allowed her to do what she did but the Palestinian's will never turn down the opportunity for a good piece of news and propaganda to use against Israeli aggression, will they? Where were the Hamas leaders and soldiers when she did this? Who was filming this for publicity purposes?

RIP Rachel, you deserved better from people you called your friends and the people you campaigned for, unfortunately, they used you for their purposes and your family lost a misguided ANGEL.

The end of your second video featured a young 6 or 7 year old girl and my heart really goes out to her, because she was also being used for propaganda and was trained, rehearsed and brainwashed into the piece for the video. Those were not the words of a little girl but the words of an adult scriptwriter! Using children for propaganda is one thing which is bad enough, but brainwashing them to hate, hiding behind them and teaching them to strap bombs to their bodies and doing it for Allah shameful, truly heartbreaking!

Israel has their wall and there are no more suicide bombings, its doing its job! Israel should stop the crazy right wing settlers from expanding territory and sit down and define borders for Israel and a Palestinian state, based on 1967 borders but with land swaps where necessary (equal). The West Bank is thriving and looking like any modern city, it sits right opposite Jerusalem, if Hamas were smart and persued peace then they could have a thriving area too.

Let's hope for a good, thriving and peaceful future for all, Palestinians and Israeli's alike. Cheers
edit on 7/12/11 by Hongkongphooey because: Typo



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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If it is in the interest of national security, then they will bulldoze the house while your on the toilet if they want.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
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maybe the girl was retarded or something. why would you stand in front of a bulldozer? ... If they bulldozed my house....I'd move before they did it.


careful how you trash talk a woman defending children being murdered by armed military men...

you're brain washed Goy supporters might just remember why the tribe of Judah was nomadic in the first place...

but... no doubt you will continue...

which then, ironically, you can heed your own smarta$$ advice & help move Israel before the Nuke's hit..



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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I dont live in Israel. Israel actually has nukes. It probably was your cousins house. Leave islam..it is dumb. I hurt for any child that is needlessly hurt. They should move before the bulldozers get there.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Expat888
thats been israeli policy from the start.. nothing new there..



No it hasn't -they have made many concessions to try and achieve a peace - Hamas has only ever called for the destruction of Israel.

I you agree with Hamas - just be honest about it!


What concessions has Israel made for peace? Palestine said no new settlements and Benny and the boys just keep on building. Israel has no interest in peace.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
reply to post by reeferman
 


I dont live in Israel. Israel actually has nukes. It probably was your cousins house. Leave islam..it is dumb. I hurt for any child that is needlessly hurt. They should move before the bulldozers get there.


Why should they move? It is their land not Israel's. Why is it so hard for people to get this through their heads?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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it must be, if they said move.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Sure Hitler did it to the people of Jewish faith why should they Who claim to be of the Jewish faith not be able to do it to people who are not of Jewish faith

No one should speak on behalf of the families who are robbed of their homes and possessions based on fear rhetoric. Why not take from these humans they are not the chosen people.
I remember a similar argument used to treat Jewish people like animals. It looks like that evil spirit has found a new host.
My grandfather was an example for me here. He chose to fight this evil rhetoric and fight the genocide of the Jewish people. How can I stay quiet when this evil rhetoric are being applied to another group of humanity? How can I dishonor his sacrifices and example by staying quiet?
It is simple love.
Are we not all earthlings? Are we not all human? If you cut us do we not bleed If you hurt us do we not feel? If you love us do we not forgive? If you confront evil rhetoric and acts with love and deny ignorance you can change the world. Daily I come onto ATS and see this same cycle replaying.

This evil spirit has found a new playground in the middle east. A cycle of hate. To see our fellow man being harmed and dealt with unjustly stirs a hot anger which is used to control us regardless of our belief system.
Can you not see there are no chosen people? No superior race or religion? There is only love and how we treat our fellow Earthlings. How we each as individuals can make this world a better place.

If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat the horrors of the past. In that repeating we will become members of the guilty and the damned. How will you change this world for the better?

How will you catalyze love in not only your life but the lives of strangers who are really your fellow humans. We are all one regardless of the arguments of those who seek to separate and control us for their own limited fear based motives. Be fearless. For some of them were mighty Giants in works and deeds. Will you be one also?
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by brokedown
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if that is all you see then you are blind. open your eyes and heart, allow your soul to be cleansed, come over to the side of peace, and begin to live, a full life, the way GOD has intended for us to do. in peace.


If your supporting Israel then you know nothing of peace. Just like the Zionist running Israel.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
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it must be, if they said move.


Ok then. Pack up everything you own and move, your land belongs to me because God said it does. How does it feel to be treated like a citizen of Gaza?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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I thought the islamic fanatics had bizarre views but not after reading the replies of ATS members. The danger of religous nuts is not exclusive to Islam. Anyone true to any abrahamic faith does not have hate in their heart.



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