How did the 'Estonia' sink 1994?

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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I've made a blog page with embedded Youtube playlists, of some of the videos posted in this thread. At the moment, there are 27 videos on ferry Estonia in different playlists. I might add more videos later, and hopefully they won't disappear and will stay live.

Here:

The Sinking Of The Ferry Estonia (videos)




posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Kalla Fakta - Expedtion Estonia (2000)

More Estonia videos. 6 videos. Mostly in swedish, but also english and german (with swedish subtitles).




To play the playlist on Youtube:
M/S Estonia - Kalla Fakta - Expedtion Estonia (2000)


To play this and/or other playlists as embedded on Media @ Abovetopsecret.com (blog) :
The Sinking Of The Ferry Estonia (videos)



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Commission: No conspiracy

An Estonia commission agreed on Thursday that poor design and construction was the most likely cause of the Estonia disaster.


Commission plays down Estonia ferry disaster conspiracy theory


20 Feb 2009


The latest enquiry commission into the sinking of a passenger ferry - the Estonia - in the Baltic Sea in 1994 agreed Thursday with previous probes that a design and construction flaw was most likely to blame for the disaster.

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Previous enquires established that Swedish military intelligence shipped equipment using the Estonia on September 14 and 20, 1994, but the commission found no proof it was carrying a third consignment when it set sail on September 27.

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On the basis of available evidence collected the established theory that the bow doors were poorly designed or constructed remained the most likely scenario, the commission concluded.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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And here's another source, this one from Lithuania. I haven't seen this news in any Scandinavian media! I wonder why? Silence it to death? If Scandinavia media even mentioned it, they must have hid it well. The conclusion is apparently that there's not enough evidence of anything but "bad design of the ship", unless they get to examine the wreck of Estonia on the seabed. But that will never happen, of course.


Commission plays down Estonia ferry disaster conspiracy theory


February 22, 2009


The commission did not entirely rule out the possibility that there may have been a hole in the hull, though an interim report published in 2007 discounted theories that one could have been caused by an explosion of undeclared military ordinance, as some relatives of victims have suggested.

“Such theories cannot be convincingly disproved by theoretical studies based on the existing evidence,” the commission said, adding that only a detailed exploration of the wreck on the sea bed could establish whether the Estonia had been holed

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast

Two more playlists. The first part is 6 videos - Survivor's Stories. The second part is about the history of Estonia and the legend about "The White Ship". View embedded on my blog here,

...or on Youtube:


M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast - 1/2

M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast - 2/2


Mostly in Swedish, but other languages too (subtitled in swedish). I recommend seeing the videos, even if you don't know swedish. It's very interesting.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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According to Estonian mythology, a white ship will lead the Estonian people to freedom. Estonia is now free from Soviet occupasion, and has become a member of NATO and EU.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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For some reason my previous posting was deleted from the site. However, here are some links of detailed and scientific study on the incident.

www.estonia.xprimo.de...
www.estonia.xprimo.de...

On this thread there is a lot of misinformation which essentially hinders understanding the topic.

I recommend searching e.g. with words Estonia, explosive, Voronin, felix group

-Finne



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Hope no one has posted this yet...

heiwaco.tripod.com...

That is a link to the book "Lies and Truths about the M/V Estonia Accident". A rather good read... I refer to that quite a bit whenever this topic pops up.




posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Here's an observation from a survivor, mentioned in an article in Manchester Evening News a few days ago.


How To Survive A Disaster


March 10, 2009


Paul Barney was one of 989 passengers and crew on board the car ferry Estonia when it sank in 1994. Just 137 survived. “One of the things I remember clearly is the water actually coming into the cafeteria and seeing lots of people around just frozen to the spot.

“And I could never really understand why they weren’t doing anything to save themselves. There seemed to be plenty of opportunity to escape, yet they were just rooted to the spot.”

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Aug, 10 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Why did Britain sign the Estonia Agreement in 1995?

Yes, why did they?


Death in the Baltic: the MI6 connection


The subsequent Estonia Agreement 1995 sought to prevent any exploration of the wreck, which lies in international waters. The agreement was signed by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain, which has no obvious connection to the Baltic. One Briton, John Manning, died in the disaster; a second, Paul Barney of Pangbourne, Berkshire, survived after swimming to an upturned raft and clinging on in stormy seas until he was rescued.

Other non-Baltic countries with passengers on the ferry did not become signatories to the treaty. Two requests under the Freedom of Information Act to the Foreign Office in London, for background and briefing papers on why Britain signed the treaty, have produced no reply.

What caused the secrecy about the disaster and why was Britain so closely involved?

Hmmm...



posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Right Now, it's 15 years since the ferry Estonia disaster.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Classified For 70 Years

Sweden wants to hide their "tsunami tapes" for 70 years. They also want to change their constitution! I wonder why, and whether this move might be related to the ferry Estonia disaster in any way?


´Tsunami tapes´ to be classified for seventy years


The government wants to classify secret information regarding their internal communication the days after the tsunami catastrophe 2004 for seventy years.

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According to the daily newspaper Svenska Dagbladet the government also wants to change the constitution so the Principle of public access to official records shall not apply on backup copies. The original information is is deleted.


Another link here: Sweden seeks to bury tsunami tapes


The contentious tapes detailing data traffic from the government offices in connection with the 2004 Asian tsunami are set to be classified for 70 years

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The government has also proposed amending the constitution to ensure that the principle of public access to official records (offentlighetsprincipen) does not apply to the back up copies


 


Remembering the MS Estonia


Hirschfeldt reported the transported equipment was not explosive and remarked that military defense transfers and intelligence activities are state secret by law; in fact it was illegal for people in the know to discuss covert activities and added all documents relating to transportation of defense material and intelligence activities had been destroyed 10 years ago as per regulations. Even he was not at liberty to discuss what he had learned and furthermore any existing information relating to these matters had to remain classified for 70 years.



posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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New Trial

There will be a new trial on the Estonia sinking in Paris next week. Apparently, relatives and survivors are suing German shipyard Meyer and the French classification company Veritas. They claim the ship was not seaworthy.



05.11.2009


Lawsuit against the German shipyard Meyer and the French classification company Veritas. Relatives and survivors say that the casualty vessel was not seaworthy.

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The trial will start in next week in France and dealing with the German shipyard Meyer, who built the Estonia, and the French classification company Veritas.

- My feeling is that it becomes a very thorough process in Paris, says Kent Härstedt who survived the disaster.


Ny retssag om Estonias forlis (in Danish)
same article with Google translate (Danish -> English) : New trial on the Estonia sinking

and

Ny retssag om Estonias forlis (in Danish)
same article with Google translate (Danish -> English) : New trial on the Estonia sinking


This has apparently been censored from the net. Very hard to find. I've found these two danish articles so far. It might be elsewhere too (if I search even more), but it seems to be well hidden. Anyway, this will do for now. There might be something in French media, but I don't speak French...



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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New Examination Of The Estonia Wreck?

Finally a source in english, and it's even a swedish source. France didn't sign the Estonia Treaty and can demand a new examination of the ship!


The ´Estonia case´ to court


The wreckage of the passenger ferry Estonia will be investigated again. The Estonia case will be taken up in a French court.

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France has not sign the international treaty saying that Estonia is a mass grave and should be protected and untouched. The court can thereby demand a new examination of the ship.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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Not sure if mentioned already somewhere in this thread, but there are some eyewitnesses that seriously claim some suspicious trucks that bypassed all of the other vechiles the loading queu just before Estonia departed on it's last trip.

-v



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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reply to post by v01i0
 


I don't believe that's been mentioned. Thanks for adding it. Very interesting, if it's true.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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s+f,

I must have been in the ninth grade when this happened ,
mates in school lost their family and relatives,





Since Estonia sank, there have been reports that two large trucks carrying military contraband were escorted by the Estonian army to the waiting ferry, which left immediately after the trucks were loaded onto the car deck.


link to original source

give or take ,



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Took me awhile to read through all of this but it was a very nice thread with a ton of information.

I've heard of the accident but only in official capacities I guess like on the History Channel etc...

I hadn't really heard any of the theories in this thread but after reading through it does seem entirely possible.

Good work all around.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
reply to post by v01i0
 


I don't believe that's been mentioned. Thanks for adding it. Very interesting, if it's true.


It's a persistent claim that appears even on finnish Wikipedia:

Ennen lähtöään viimeiselle matkalle laivaan oli viety rahtia, jolla oli yhdysvaltalainen sotilassaattue.

Since you seem to be from Denmark, I'll translate it just in case: "Before the departure for it's last trip, ship was being loaded with cargo that had military convoy from United States." To be fair, it was under the "alternative interpretations of the reasons why the ship sank" or something


I am not either saying that this is necessarily true. I think it could be even verified; how about making a call to United States military and ask: "Did you load some cargo into Estonia ferry on 1994, just before it sank?"


Hey, btw. Nice thread - I've been on ATS since end of 2007 and never noticed it. S&F. Thanks!

-v

[edit on 9-11-2009 by v01i0]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 03:32 AM
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It seams that after the agreement not to disturb the wreak someones has done just that. who was it and what were they trying to recover.

Or do we have underwater pirates looking for valuables to recover.

estonia.kajen.com...





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