How did the 'Estonia' sink 1994?, page 7


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reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 12:35 AM by Hellmutt
Commission: No conspiracy

An Estonia commission agreed on Thursday that poor design and construction was the most likely cause of the Estonia disaster.


Commission plays down Estonia ferry disaster conspiracy theory


20 Feb 2009


The latest enquiry commission into the sinking of a passenger ferry - the Estonia - in the Baltic Sea in 1994 agreed Thursday with previous probes that a design and construction flaw was most likely to blame for the disaster.

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Previous enquires established that Swedish military intelligence shipped equipment using the Estonia on September 14 and 20, 1994, but the commission found no proof it was carrying a third consignment when it set sail on September 27.

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On the basis of available evidence collected the established theory that the bow doors were poorly designed or constructed remained the most likely scenario, the commission concluded.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.




reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 02:18 PM by Hellmutt
And here's another source, this one from Lithuania. I haven't seen this news in any Scandinavian media! I wonder why? Silence it to death? If Scandinavia media even mentioned it, they must have hid it well. The conclusion is apparently that there's not enough evidence of anything but "bad design of the ship", unless they get to examine the wreck of Estonia on the seabed. But that will never happen, of course.


Commission plays down Estonia ferry disaster conspiracy theory


February 22, 2009


The commission did not entirely rule out the possibility that there may have been a hole in the hull, though an interim report published in 2007 discounted theories that one could have been caused by an explosion of undeclared military ordinance, as some relatives of victims have suggested.

“Such theories cannot be convincingly disproved by theoretical studies based on the existing evidence,” the commission said, adding that only a detailed exploration of the wreck on the sea bed could establish whether the Estonia had been holed

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 3-3-2009 @ 02:08 AM by Anonymous ATS
For some reason my previous posting was deleted from the site. However, here are some links of detailed and scientific study on the incident.

www.estonia.xprimo.de...
www.estonia.xprimo.de...

On this thread there is a lot of misinformation which essentially hinders understanding the topic.

I recommend searching e.g. with words Estonia, explosive, Voronin, felix group

-Finne


reply posted on 3-3-2009 @ 02:11 AM by The Soothsayer
Hope no one has posted this yet...

heiwaco.tripod.com...

That is a link to the book "Lies and Truths about the M/V Estonia Accident". A rather good read... I refer to that quite a bit whenever this topic pops up.




reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 08:38 PM by Hellmutt
Here's an observation from a survivor, mentioned in an article in Manchester Evening News a few days ago.


How To Survive A Disaster


March 10, 2009


Paul Barney was one of 989 passengers and crew on board the car ferry Estonia when it sank in 1994. Just 137 survived. “One of the things I remember clearly is the water actually coming into the cafeteria and seeing lots of people around just frozen to the spot.

“And I could never really understand why they weren’t doing anything to save themselves. There seemed to be plenty of opportunity to escape, yet they were just rooted to the spot.”

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 08:59 PM by Hellmutt
Why did Britain sign the Estonia Agreement in 1995?

Yes, why did they?


Death in the Baltic: the MI6 connection

The subsequent Estonia Agreement 1995 sought to prevent any exploration of the wreck, which lies in international waters. The agreement was signed by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain, which has no obvious connection to the Baltic. One Briton, John Manning, died in the disaster; a second, Paul Barney of Pangbourne, Berkshire, survived after swimming to an upturned raft and clinging on in stormy seas until he was rescued.

Other non-Baltic countries with passengers on the ferry did not become signatories to the treaty. Two requests under the Freedom of Information Act to the Foreign Office in London, for background and briefing papers on why Britain signed the treaty, have produced no reply.

What caused the secrecy about the disaster and why was Britain so closely involved?

Hmmm...


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:57 PM by Hellmutt
Classified For 70 Years

Sweden wants to hide their "tsunami tapes" for 70 years. They also want to change their constitution! I wonder why, and whether this move might be related to the ferry Estonia disaster in any way?


´Tsunami tapes´ to be classified for seventy years

The government wants to classify secret information regarding their internal communication the days after the tsunami catastrophe 2004 for seventy years.

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According to the daily newspaper Svenska Dagbladet the government also wants to change the constitution so the Principle of public access to official records shall not apply on backup copies. The original information is is deleted.


Another link here: Sweden seeks to bury tsunami tapes

The contentious tapes detailing data traffic from the government offices in connection with the 2004 Asian tsunami are set to be classified for 70 years

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The government has also proposed amending the constitution to ensure that the principle of public access to official records (offentlighetsprincipen) does not apply to the back up copies





Remembering the MS Estonia

Hirschfeldt reported the transported equipment was not explosive and remarked that military defense transfers and intelligence activities are state secret by law; in fact it was illegal for people in the know to discuss covert activities and added all documents relating to transportation of defense material and intelligence activities had been destroyed 10 years ago as per regulations. Even he was not at liberty to discuss what he had learned and furthermore any existing information relating to these matters had to remain classified for 70 years.




reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 11:29 AM by Hellmutt
New Examination Of The Estonia Wreck?

Finally a source in english, and it's even a swedish source. France didn't sign the Estonia Treaty and can demand a new examination of the ship!


The ´Estonia case´ to court

The wreckage of the passenger ferry Estonia will be investigated again. The Estonia case will be taken up in a French court.

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France has not sign the international treaty saying that Estonia is a mass grave and should be protected and untouched. The court can thereby demand a new examination of the ship.



reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 02:53 PM by Hellmutt
reply to post by v01i0



I don't believe that's been mentioned. Thanks for adding it. Very interesting, if it's true.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 02:27 AM by v01i0
reply to post by Hellmutt


Originally posted by Hellmutt
reply to post by v01i0



I don't believe that's been mentioned. Thanks for adding it. Very interesting, if it's true.


It's a persistent claim that appears even on finnish Wikipedia:
Ennen lähtöään viimeiselle matkalle laivaan oli viety rahtia, jolla oli yhdysvaltalainen sotilassaattue.

Since you seem to be from Denmark, I'll translate it just in case: "Before the departure for it's last trip, ship was being loaded with cargo that had military convoy from United States." To be fair, it was under the "alternative interpretations of the reasons why the ship sank" or something

I am not either saying that this is necessarily true. I think it could be even verified; how about making a call to United States military and ask: "Did you load some cargo into Estonia ferry on 1994, just before it sank?"

Hey, btw. Nice thread - I've been on ATS since end of 2007 and never noticed it. S&F. Thanks!

-v

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