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reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 05:41 AM by Hellmutt
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I've made a blog page with embedded Youtube playlists, of some of the videos posted in this thread. At the moment, there are 27 videos on ferry
Estonia in different playlists. I might add more videos later, and hopefully they won't disappear and will stay live.
Here:
The Sinking Of The Ferry Estonia (videos)
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reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 01:24 AM by Hellmutt
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reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 12:35 AM by Hellmutt
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Commission: No conspiracy
An Estonia commission agreed on Thursday that poor design and construction was the most likely cause of the Estonia disaster.
Commission plays down Estonia
ferry disaster conspiracy theory
 20 Feb 2009
The latest enquiry commission into the sinking of a passenger ferry - the Estonia - in the Baltic Sea in 1994 agreed Thursday with previous probes
that a design and construction flaw was most likely to blame for the disaster.
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Previous enquires established that Swedish military intelligence shipped equipment using the Estonia on September 14 and 20, 1994, but the commission
found no proof it was carrying a third consignment when it set sail on September 27.
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On the basis of available evidence collected the established theory that the bow doors were poorly designed or constructed remained the most likely
scenario, the commission concluded. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 02:18 PM by Hellmutt
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And here's another source, this one from Lithuania. I haven't seen this news in any Scandinavian media! I wonder why? Silence it to death? If
Scandinavia media even mentioned it, they must have hid it well. The conclusion is apparently that there's not enough evidence of anything but "bad
design of the ship", unless they get to examine the wreck of Estonia on the seabed. But that will never happen, of course.
Commission plays down Estonia ferry
disaster conspiracy theory
February 22, 2009
The commission did not entirely rule out the possibility that there may have been a hole in the hull, though an interim report published in 2007
discounted theories that one could have been caused by an explosion of undeclared military ordinance, as some relatives of victims have suggested.
“Such theories cannot be convincingly disproved by theoretical studies based on the existing evidence,” the commission said, adding that only a
detailed exploration of the wreck on the sea bed could establish whether the Estonia had been holed Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 11:16 PM by Hellmutt
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M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast
Two more playlists. The first part is 6 videos - Survivor's Stories. The second part is about the history of Estonia and the legend about "The White
Ship". View embedded on my blog here,
...or on Youtube:
M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast - 1/2
M/S Estonia - Livlinan som brast - 2/2
Mostly in Swedish, but other languages too (subtitled in swedish). I recommend seeing the videos, even if you don't know swedish. It's very
interesting.
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reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 11:36 PM by Hellmutt
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According to Estonian mythology, a white ship will lead the Estonian people to freedom. Estonia is now free from Soviet occupasion, and has become a
member of NATO and EU.
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reply posted on 3-3-2009 @ 02:08 AM by Anonymous ATS
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For some reason my previous posting was deleted from the site. However, here are some links of detailed and scientific study on the incident.
www.estonia.xprimo.de...
www.estonia.xprimo.de...
On this thread there is a lot of misinformation which essentially hinders understanding the topic.
I recommend searching e.g. with words Estonia, explosive, Voronin, felix group
-Finne
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reply posted on 3-3-2009 @ 02:11 AM by The Soothsayer
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Hope no one has posted this yet...
heiwaco.tripod.com...
That is a link to the book "Lies and Truths about the M/V Estonia Accident". A rather good read... I refer to that quite a bit whenever this topic
pops up.
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reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 08:38 PM by Hellmutt
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Here's an observation from a survivor, mentioned in an article in Manchester Evening News a few days ago.
How To Survive A Disaster
March 10, 2009
Paul Barney was one of 989 passengers and crew on board the car ferry Estonia when it sank in 1994. Just 137 survived. “One of the things I remember
clearly is the water actually coming into the cafeteria and seeing lots of people around just frozen to the spot.
“And I could never really understand why they weren’t doing anything to save themselves. There seemed to be plenty of opportunity to escape, yet
they were just rooted to the spot.” Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 08:59 PM by Hellmutt
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Why did Britain sign the Estonia Agreement in 1995?
Yes, why did they?
Death in the Baltic: the MI6 connection
The subsequent Estonia Agreement 1995 sought to prevent any exploration of the wreck, which lies in international waters. The agreement was signed
by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain, which has no obvious connection to the Baltic. One Briton, John Manning,
died in the disaster; a second, Paul Barney of Pangbourne, Berkshire, survived after swimming to an upturned raft and clinging on in stormy seas until
he was rescued.
Other non-Baltic countries with passengers on the ferry did not become signatories to the treaty. Two requests under the Freedom of Information Act to
the Foreign Office in London, for background and briefing papers on why Britain signed the treaty, have produced no reply.
What caused the secrecy about the disaster and why was Britain so closely involved?
Hmmm...
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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 04:12 PM by Hellmutt
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Right Now, it's 15 years since the ferry Estonia disaster.
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:57 PM by Hellmutt
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Classified For 70 Years
Sweden wants to hide their "tsunami tapes" for 70 years. They also want to change their constitution! I wonder why, and whether this move might be
related to the ferry Estonia disaster in any way?
´Tsunami tapes´ to be classified for seventy years
The government wants to classify secret information regarding their internal communication the days after the tsunami catastrophe 2004 for seventy
years.
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According to the daily newspaper Svenska Dagbladet the government also wants to change the constitution so the Principle of public access to official
records shall not apply on backup copies. The original information is is deleted.
Another link here: Sweden seeks to bury tsunami tapes
The contentious tapes detailing data traffic from the government offices in connection with the 2004 Asian tsunami are set to be classified for 70
years
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The government has also proposed amending the constitution to ensure that the principle of public access to official records (offentlighetsprincipen)
does not apply to the back up copies
Remembering the MS Estonia
Hirschfeldt reported the transported equipment was not explosive and remarked that military defense transfers and intelligence activities are
state secret by law; in fact it was illegal for people in the know to discuss covert activities and added all documents relating to transportation of
defense material and intelligence activities had been destroyed 10 years ago as per regulations. Even he was not at liberty to discuss what he had
learned and furthermore any existing information relating to these matters had to remain classified for 70 years.
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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 03:42 AM by Hellmutt
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New Trial
There will be a new trial on the Estonia sinking in Paris next week. Apparently, relatives and survivors are suing German shipyard Meyer and the
French classification company Veritas. They claim the ship was not seaworthy.
05.11.2009
Lawsuit against the German shipyard Meyer and the French classification company Veritas. Relatives and survivors say that the casualty vessel was not
seaworthy.
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The trial will start in next week in France and dealing with the German shipyard Meyer, who built the Estonia, and the French classification company
Veritas.
- My feeling is that it becomes a very thorough process in Paris, says Kent Härstedt who survived the disaster.
Ny retssag om Estonias forlis (in Danish)
same article with Google translate (Danish -> English) :
New trial on the Estonia sinking
and
Ny retssag om Estonias forlis (in Danish)
same article with Google translate (Danish -> English) :
New trial on the Estonia sinking
This has apparently been censored from the net. Very hard to find. I've found these two danish articles so far. It might be elsewhere too (if I
search even more), but it seems to be well hidden. Anyway, this will do for now. There might be something in French media, but I don't speak
French...
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