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Nuclear Conspiracy: In the late 80s, Astra Holdings purchased 4 nukes, Dr Kelly and Cameron Involved

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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 03:03 PM
Astra Holdings, a private corporation, purchased four nuclear warheads. I want to look into this more if you have any info please post. The 4 nukes were purchased for 50 million.

Sir Kenneth Warren, Dr David Kelly and David Cameron were involved. These three did the deal in south africa. The nukes ended up on the black market. One was used in North Korea, the other three are still missing and are rumored to have been purchased by a middle east country.

The four warheads were originally taken to Oman by Astra Holdings. When Dr Kelly went to check them, they were missing. Questions were asked in parliament regarding where the money had gone and what it was used for, the question was never answered. The source who broke this story has been speaking to MI6. What MI6's involvement is, is unclear.

The guest went on to say how he believes these nukes could be used in a false flag attack where it could be blamed on AL CIAda.

Who is Stephan Koch and whats his involvement in this conspiracy?

I have googled Astra Holdings and this turned up which is intresting.

I shall post more info as I find it, as I think this nuclear comspiracy is really important. I even believe that this is the real reason for Dr Kelly's death.

Nukes stolen

If you have any more info please post.

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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 03:37 PM
WOW this is absolutely huge! Good find S&F

posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 03:50 PM
reply to post by trustnothing

Many Thanks, but I can't take credit for this conspiracy. I am just passing on the information after watching on Edge Media TV and One Step Beyond. The guest was an excellently informed independant investigating journo.

I am making this connection, I believe that these nukes are those same nukes that were recently said to be "stolen". This will be blamed on al qaida I believe if used in a false flag. I am also suggesting that this is the real reason for Dr Kelly murder, after Theo Chalmers mentioned it.

I think this is a story that is not going to go away anytime soon.

Astra holdings google
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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by TheMindWar

"The Big 'Allivane-Astra' Picture. The Trail of Illegal Weapons Sold To "Iran" And Iraq Starts In Washington And London"

"Many have died trying to expose their wicked game, including microbiologist Dr. David Kelly (2003) and Gerald Bull (1990), the former chairman of the Space Research Corporation.

Although both deaths remain suspicious and never thoroughly investigated, Dr. Kelly and Bull were extremely close and casting a dark light on the clandestine, illegal money-raising deals by U.S. and UK politicians in arming Iraq in Iran.

And in the specific case of Bull, he was in the midst of revealing when he turned up dead, the beneficiaries of "commissions," many of the recipients being high level politicians in Washington and London.

Even though observers close to Dr. Kelly and Bull have so solid evidence they were killed, it's interesting to note that most of the pair's damaging information has been redacted from official records, silenced by corrupted courts or kept from public view through a compliant press. "

Read more here - and see just how deep this corruption goes.
Stephan Koch
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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:10 PM
reply to post by TheMindWar

Youve done your homework.

Cheers for the info. S+F.

posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 09:08 PM
Wow. I worry about this kind of thing alot.

Who really knows whats floating around out there?

posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 09:56 PM

Stolen uranium from U.S. :

evidence that israel stole weapons-grade uranium from a nuclear reprocessing plant in Pennsylvania u.s..

The dailystar News

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:26 AM
reply to post by ToneDeaf

How in gods name did they manage to get away with this? The only way IMO is that they had help from the bankers.

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:07 AM
reply to post by TheMindWar

from the deeppoliticsforum.

'02-02-2010 12:42 PM

Blood Money
The Big 'Allivane-Astra' Picture. The Trail of Illegal Weapons Sold To Iran And Iraq Starts
In Washington And London

Greg Szymanski � Arctic Beacon January 30, 2006

"Kock had a cover as a consultant in Midland Bank's secret arms department, Midland and
Industrial Trade Services ("MITS"). This was staffed by ex service officers, MI5, MI6,
agents and intelligence affiliated bankers. Midland with the Bank of Boston were Astra's
main bankers and dominated by MI6 CIA agents. Kock was also said to be head of Group 13,
the Government's assassination and dirty tricks squad according to Richard John Rainey
Unwin, a close associate of Knock himself who was a contract MI6 agent and Consultant to
Astra. Kock and Unwin, with Martin Laing Construction, negotiated the 2bn Malaysian defence
deal before George Younger, the Defense Secretary even knew of it.

another poster on 02-02-2010 02:21 PM

Koch, who was believed to have been the head of an assassination squad before he became a
banker --- a natural career progression one might argue -- had direct access to Thatcher
during those years. Which goes some way to explaining the power of the spook crowd during
her period in office.'

i guess this may answer the bankers question.

best wishes and tread carefully.

regards fakedirt

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:08 AM
So, they are saying they sent a 22 or 23 year old David Cameron, who was just out of college, on a mission to buy atomic weapons? That right there is a HUGE stretch for me to believe. I don't care how impressive he might have been at Oxford, he's still basically just a kid at that age and nobody's going to put a kid in a situation that sensitive...or they certainly shouldn't.

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:39 AM
Yeah awesome thread. These were the South African Nukes.

Also worth noting was the demise of the SAA Helderberg, which crashed into the Indian Ocean. It was the carrier for items associated with those deals.

It's been fairly well proven that of the 10, 1 was used as a test in the arctic circle '78 (i could be wrong on the date), 9 were scheduled to be returned to the UK, and 4 went missing en route. I believe Nkorea has one of them.

Reading the other thread on 7December, there was a strange coincidence of nuclear events occuring on december the 7th.

That + this = we're about to find out?

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:48 AM
reply to post by LifeInDeath

I am sure mr cameron was not the lead purchaser, but its certainly not difficult to believe, you would be suprised what training people get. You only have to be 18 to join the SAS and they are responisble for far more shady dealings than buying weapons.

In the UK you can go to war at 17 years of age, given a deadly weapon etc... 21 in fact is not young at all in the eyes of the government. You seem to think these people think like you do, they dont see 21 year olds as kids! Lol. You have the wrong mindset.

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 11:55 AM
reply to post by TheMindWar

where exactly was this facility and when did this take place? there's most likely a 23 involved somewhere

posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:10 PM
why are people blaming the British?

From what I could read, they were trying to clean up and get the South African nuclear weapons to be dismantled, but somebody else double-crossed them and sold the weapons to less-desirable characters. It's hard for me to imagine a better-justified covert operation.

Why such reflexive anti-west sentiment?

What was the better alternative? Let them get sent out/stolen without any effort to find them?

Note, I'm skepticla of the "vela incident" being a nuclear detonation because of this:

However, it has never been ruled out that the "double flash" signal might have been a spurious electronic signal that was generated by an aging detector in an old satellite. No corroboration of an explosion, such as the presence of nuclear byproducts in the air, was ever made, even though there were numerous passes in the area by U.S. Air Force planes that were specifically designed to detect airborne radioactive dust.


The fact that the explosion was picked up by only one of the two Vela satellites seems to support the science panel's assertion. The Vela satellites had previously detected 41 atmospheric tests - by countries such as France and the PRC - each of which was subsequently confirmed by other means, including testing for radioactive fallout. The absence of any such corroboration of a nuclear origin for the Vela Incident also suggests that the "double flash" signal was a spurious one.

Radioactive isotopes can be detected at very low concentrations, and by 1979 the USA had a sophisticated operational program and expertise in specifically detecting even small amounts of isotopes from nuclear detonations. This had been developed for monitoring the USSR, and likewise the USSR had done the same for the USA's tests.

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:48 PM
I am personally involved regarding the (INSIDER) whistleblower reports on the 3 x 20kt ex ARMSCOR stock PELINDABA Battlefield ready, gravity drop Nuclear Bombs.
The 1989 Sanctions busting visit by Cameron, Sir Ken Warren (Aero Engineer) Dr David Kelly to arrange the removal of the 9 remaining 20 kt Nukes from South Africa before the handover in 1994 to the Black ANC Government.

The Deal: The go-between ARMSCOR and Conservative Party
ex Rhodesian Weapons Broker and close friend of "Iron Lady" Maggie Thatcher and her Son, Sir Mark Thatcher.
(He had a house in the same street as Maggie and Sir Mark was a Director of BMARC an ASTRA interlock fronted by (Rhodesian) MI6 Stephanus Adolfus Kock

6 Nukes were to be shipped Directly to Chicago for decommissioning, removal of the fissile material which would be returned to RSA to be used in a massive PR show to the World, how the ANC Gov of Mandela would scrap their Nuclear Weapons programme.
3 Nukes were purchased by the Conservative Party on a Urgent Operational Requirement Order UOR.
Divered for a fixed Price OMAN overseen and under the Watch of Dr David Kelly
(Required for the retake Kuwait)for a two way scam.
(1) The Purchase would cover a massive Conservative Party fraud to enable a deliberate purchase overcharge to the Treasury.
(2) A select group of Tory Grandee's and VIP's were given an opportunity to put up £ Millions in cash to get in on the Nuke deal and make a pile of WONGA.

The Loading -Shipping Operation 1990

Dr David Kelly was instructed to oversee the loading, shipping and safe arrival sign off of the 9 Nukes.
All 9 were secured into individual specialist weapons transit cradles, locked onto sets of parallel rails and bolted to the floor pans of 9 x 20foot ISO Shipping Containers and railed from Pelindaba to Durban Harbour.

At the Durban Docks, the Millions in Private Investors raised cash changed hands before the release of the Nukes. The 9 Containers were ship loaded, 3 containers diverted off-loaded OMAN and 6 onward shipped Chicago.

The 3 OMAN Nuke containers were off-loaded in a poor secured transport freight storage yard and the UOR Signed off by Dr David Kelly. The Sign off was a signal for John Arnold Bredenkamp to as pre-arranged, launder the deliberate Conservative Party overcharge to the H.M Treasury back into the (EMPTY) Conservative Accounts.
£17.8 million.

While the retake of Kuwait went without a hitch and the threat to use the Nukes in retaliation had Sadam used Chemicals or Bio agents against coalition forces was never thankfully required.

There must have been many in the UK, RSA and GULF States rubbing their hands thinking they had got away with this massive covert fraud and nuclear weapon crime.

Oh Dear, they had forgotten, ex Rhodesian weapons broker, John Arnold Bredenkamp was a known Kleptomaniac. He and a group of ex SAS (Executive Outcomes) managed to enter the OMAN Storage facility and spirit away the 3 Conservative Nukes, moving them initially into Iraq then into Syria.

After the Kuwait War, Dr David Kelly was sent to Oman to arrange the Forward transport of the 3 Conservative Nukes to be shipped to Chicago like the other 6 for decommission. When Dr Kelly checked the Containers, the Nukes had gone and replaced with concrete blocks.

What could the Leaders of the Conservative Party say, (Nothing) they'd been stitched up big time. They had lost 3X 20 kt Easily transportable, simple operation Nuclear Bombs.

John Bredenkamp was no dummy, he and his mates got paid twice, they sold at least one on the open market to NORTH KOREA who detonated it on the 25th May 2009.

However, all had not been covered up by the MI6 Thatcher Brigade, Cameron, Warren, Peter Lilley and the Cabal of Private Tory Grandee Investors including ASIL NADIR.

had been recorded in Documents, copied by a DTI intelligence Officer working directly for Ken Warren & MP Peter Lilley.
Circ 1989-1994
ex Arms to Iraq Investigator
ex Intelligence Advisor to the Select Committee of the DTI
ex Sister-in-Law of MP Peter Lilley
"Secret and Classified" Document "Runner" between the DTI and Number 10.
One of 4 daughters of deceased Senior Conservative Sir John Biggs Davison.

For reasons known by the writer, Ms Tara Andrea Davison turned against her Conservative Employers and became a Labour Party SPY. She Copied masses of Secret Docs and forwarded to LORD DOUG HOYLE, Margaret Beckett, Peter Hain and others.

One of the Documents was the UOR for the 3 Nukes (3 CYLINDERS) She herself had no idea what they were but the Doc provided the evidence and money trail for the H.M. Treasury Overcharge and deliberate fraud.

The £17.8 Million laundered into the EMPTY Tory accounts by JOHN ARNOLD BREDENKAMP
HANSARD JUNE 22 1993 Col 197

posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 04:20 AM
reply to post by mindblower23

Read the reply by LAARBRUCH.

The CONSERVATIVE PARTY cover-up is ongoing with Super Injunctions to prevent major Media coverage of Court Case: Royal Court of Justice. Queens Bench Div Case: HQ10D 04366

Arrested by 13 Derby Police on 13/1/2010 under a proceeds of crime order
Among the Items Siezed: over 7000 "Secret & Classified" Arms to Iraq Dossiers, Discs, micro films, files and notebooks.

This forum will be updated with new facts and DOCUMENTS obtained by the writer

posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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Pelindaba ( was the secret Nuclear Weapons establishment) near Pretoria.
It was headed by Wouter Basson "Project Coast" and visited by UK's Dr David Kelly many times, Dr David Kelly also returned the favour when Dr Wouter Basson (Dr Death) visited UK's Porton Down.He took files back regarding Chemical and Bio warfare programmes.

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