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Electrogravitics: the REAL Reason It Went Into Black Ops

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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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Nice dissertation on free energy and power of money. The problem with it is that you leave out the disertation on control freaks. We call them freaks because they are unreasonable how they insist on controlling others. Reasonable people will never understand that aspect of it. People who love to exert control listen to "anything" you say and just go "yadda,yadda,yadda, now get back in line!" Nothing you can ever say is ever going to matter to them. All they care about is fulfilling their twisted need to control you. Like the Spanish Conquistadors, the only concern they have about you is how you help them. Like the slavers in America and elsewhere, they only need you to earn for them. Like the Corporations, Politicians and the Military, your only worth is as an earner, a spender and taxpayer.


Thing is... As the cost of energy is removed, the power over others is removed too, as it requires money to function. Humanity would become a chaotic governance, with leaders of the moment arising as problems arise. No One would be motivated to do anything that presently is motivated by pure profit today. (Chaos with the proper seed is not a bad thing - in chaos is a seed of order which emerges. See My thread, linked in My sig: The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform for the seed I propose.)


You could be dead, blown to bits in a useless, endless foreign war, leaving kids and womenfolk behind. In a deep dungeon with an iron collar around your neck, or picking cotton until your fingers are bloody stumps. They don't care. The only person they care about is themselves, the only person they feel sorry for is themselves. The only thing they complain about is their money, their stuff, their schedule. Oh, they put on a good show about caring for others. They go to church or give speeches or "donate" to "the poor", but only a little bit for a little while. It's a show mostly. Insert picture of Conquistadors marching in Central and South America holding the bible and a cross up before them. They plundered and murdered everyone they encountered so they could afford to fund protracted wars back in Europe with the loot they found. In the Name of God of course. We still do it today.


That is in energy scarcity. In energy abundance, the whole dynamic changes. People don't have to "feel sorry" for anyOne as the abundance of this planet becomes available to all, as the jobs We require but no One wants to do are done by robots, and We all may choose to live at any level We like - including that of today's elite. As We may follow Our bliss within the three Laws. Do read My threads in My links...


Nothing will ever dissuade them from their selfish, self centered, controlling ways except death.


Define "selfish, self centered, controlling ways" when everyOne may have all They want...


The Ceausescus had to be dragged from the court room and summarily executed before they stopped bitching. Same with Mussolini. Hitler held out till the shells were rattling his bunker before he took the cowards way out. Whether they deny or run and hide, they will do it unto death. Only ceasing to try and out shout you when you shut them up. It is no different today. Sorry about the rant off topic, I just went grrrr, when I thought about all the jerks at the top who control all the secret inventions that would lessen their power and free the average person from sweating blood and dying for them. They been doing it since the dawn of "civilization" and It makes me angry.


All this is a review of energy scarcity paradigms... Electrogravitics offers Humankind something We have never experienced before. It changes everything.
edit on 12/24/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo




posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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People don't have to "feel sorry" for anyOne as the abundance of this planet becomes available to all, as the jobs We require but no One wants to do are done by robots, and We all may choose to live at any level We like - including that of today's elite.

 


Robots are not made of energy. Nor are plastics, nor are other components that make up your dream world. So in other words, there would be no abundance.

The abundance you speak of, is no different than the energy abundance that came and went with the discovery and commercialization of oil....



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
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People don't have to "feel sorry" for anyOne as the abundance of this planet becomes available to all, as the jobs We require but no One wants to do are done by robots, and We all may choose to live at any level We like - including that of today's elite.

 


Robots are not made of energy. Nor are plastics, nor are other components that make up your dream world. So in other words, there would be no abundance.


Dear... The material things in this world are abundant and free - it is the energy We meaningfully expend that gives them a "price." Money (barter, trade, whatever) is used to account for that energy - Human or external - in the energy-scarcity Humans have lived in through all Our history.

The first farmer, gatherer, miner, hunter paid nothing for the material things. It was Their energy in farming, mining, gathering, hunting that made the material things have a "price." Once the cost of energy is removed, what is left is free - and abundant.

I suggest You study economics...


The abundance you speak of, is no different than the energy abundance that came and went with the discovery and commercialization of oil....


Oil is finite... And controlled, "metered," if You will. In infinite energy, uncontrolled (unmetered), there is a VERY BIG difference. So... You're very wrong.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Dear... The material things in this world are abundant and free - it is the energy We meaningfully expend that gives them a "price." Money (barter, trade, whatever) is used to account for that energy - Human or external - in the energy-scarcity Humans have lived in through all Our history.

 


That's not entirely on point. Yes, monetary value is placed on energy expended, but so is it on a number of other things as well.

Don't forget that women are bought and sold for sex. No one is calculating the energy expended during the encounter.




The first farmer, gatherer, miner, hunter paid nothing for the material things. It was Their energy in farming, mining, gathering, hunting that made the material things have a "price." Once the cost of energy is removed, what is left is free - and abundant.


You cannot remove cost for everything because you have unlimited electricity however. Because as I mentioned before, there are other things that are not abundant and free. Plastics are made from oil, oil production is limited. Does your fantasy world have no plastic in it?




I suggest You study economics...



I would offer the same suggestion to yourself. Here's a good one, I have a job, you don't. Where do we fit in, in an economic model?




Oil is finite... And controlled, "metered," if You will. In infinite energy, uncontrolled (unmetered), there is a VERY BIG difference. So... You're very wrong.



1. No matter the type of energy production, we would still need oil for other things.
2. Unlimited energy would still be controlled.
3. You already put your foot in your mouth with the first comment. Do you have some way to create the multitude of solvents that are produced from oil? You don't...



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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Dear... The material things in this world are abundant and free - it is the energy We meaningfully expend that gives them a "price." Money (barter, trade, whatever) is used to account for that energy - Human or external - in the energy-scarcity Humans have lived in through all Our history.


That's not entirely on point. Yes, monetary value is placed on energy expended, but so is it on a number of other things as well.


Bonch, I am not getting through to You. The ONLY reason "monetary value" is placed on ANYTHING is because of the energy expended. If the energy to mine the ores was free, if the energy to refine the ores was free, if the energy to shape the metals so refined were free, if the energy to assemble the shapes were free, if the energy were free to transport the assembly, a robot would be free to You. If the energy to farm and transport food were free, Your food would be free. As the cost of the energy is removed down the line, eventually what is left is free. Period. So, no. What I said is spot on the point.


Don't forget that women are bought and sold for sex. No one is calculating the energy expended during the encounter.


Yes, They are. Whatever the john is willing to pay for the Human energy of the woman is the "value" of Her energy. (In abundance, prostitution will likely vanish...)



The first farmer, gatherer, miner, hunter paid nothing for the material things. It was Their energy in farming, mining, gathering, hunting that made the material things have a "price." Once the cost of energy is removed, what is left is free - and abundant.


You cannot remove cost for everything because you have unlimited electricity however. Because as I mentioned before, there are other things that are not abundant and free. Plastics are made from oil, oil production is limited. Does your fantasy world have no plastic in it?


Yes, yes You can. And FYI... HEMP oil makes better plastics than petro-oil. We can easily eliminate all petro-oil use and miss it not at all.



I suggest You study economics...


I would offer the same suggestion to yourself. Here's a good one, I have a job, you don't. Where do we fit in, in an economic model?


Read Entropy by Jeremy Rifkin. As to Our relative luck, it is irrelevant. Read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell to grasp that the most important factor in success is, indeed, luck.



Oil is finite... And controlled, "metered," if You will. In infinite energy, uncontrolled (unmetered), there is a VERY BIG difference. So... You're very wrong.


1. No matter the type of energy production, we would still need oil for other things.


Hemp oil and other plant oils EASILY could fill that gap - They don't want You to be aware of that, though. Still, it is irrelevant in that if the energy to extract, refine, and transport the oil were free, the oil would be free.


2. Unlimited energy would still be controlled.


If everyOne had an energy generator that ran 24/7, who is going to do the controlling and how?


3. You already put your foot in your mouth with the first comment. Do you have some way to create the multitude of solvents that are produced from oil? You don't...


LOLOL! Because You cannot grasp the intimate relationship between money and energy, *I* "put [My] foot in [My] mouth." You're right.
And... Hemp oil can create them. And We could still use petro-oil if We wanted. It would be free, after all.

Bonch, as You seem to be too dense to grasp the whole picture, I will likely ignore further comments. My head is hurting from the figurative banging it on a brick wall.
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posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 01:38 AM
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Bonch, I am not getting through to You. The ONLY reason "monetary value" is placed on ANYTHING is because of the energy expended. If the energy to mine the ores was free, if the energy to refine the ores was free, if the energy to shape the metals so refined were free, if the energy to assemble the shapes were free, if the energy were free to transport the assembly, a robot would be free to You. If the energy to farm and transport food were free, Your food would be free. As the cost of the energy is removed down the line, eventually what is left is free. Period. So, no. What I said is spot on the point.

 



What about energy expended for prostitutes, or a nightclub, or the energy expended for a clown at a birthday party, or for a painting by a famous artist worth millions...? Not everything is based on energy expended...





Yes, They are. Whatever the john is willing to pay for the Human energy of the woman is the "value" of Her energy. (In abundance, prostitution will likely vanish...)


It's not human energy. It's company. People are lonely, people have emotions and needs that need to be fulfilled and none of it has to do with energy expended.




Yes, yes You can. And FYI... HEMP oil makes better plastics than petro-oil. We can easily eliminate all petro-oil use and miss it not at all.



That is not true.Funny enough, most common practices to procure solvents from hemp require solvents from oil. Go figure.

If you have some reports, studies or scientific papers that suggest otherwise, please post them. However, I assume your future posts will be scarce of said materials...





Read Entropy by Jeremy Rifkin. As to Our relative luck, it is irrelevant. Read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell to grasp that the most important factor in success is, indeed, luck.


Read "rich dad poor dad" by Robert Kiyosaki. I made a thread about him awhile ago, how he was ripping people off. Yet, people still think his book is worth some value....




Hemp oil and other plant oils EASILY could fill that gap - They don't want You to be aware of that, though. Still, it is irrelevant in that if the energy to extract, refine, and transport the oil were free, the oil would be free.


Can you make benzene from hemp? Please do tell me the reaction. I'm dying in wait...




If everyOne had an energy generator that ran 24/7, who is going to do the controlling and how?


Who said those people can have them?





LOLOL! Because You cannot grasp the intimate relationship between money and energy, *I* "put [My] foot in [My] mouth." You're right. And... Hemp oil can create them. And We could still use petro-oil if We wanted. It would be free, after all.



Back up what you say then. You are a stone cold lier. Either show that hemp can produce every solvent that petrochemicals can, or don't speak further on the matter.




Bonch, as You seem to be too dense to grasp the whole picture, I will likely ignore further comments. My head is hurting from the figurative banging it on a brick wall.


You will never win an argument with me because you choose to ignore reality. The real question is why do you keep trying after all this time...



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Yeah, Bonch. Like I said... No more bashing My figurative skull against Your apparent denseness. So... I'll say what I always say: Heh. You're right.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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I agree that free energy is devastating to the elite, which is why they wont produce water or electric cars. They want us enslaved to oil and expendable energy. My question about money is energy is you are talking about real value, not paper obviously, right? So if work is energy, free energy would eliminate certain jobs, thus a lesser need for money, and with less money dependence we would nit be in so much debt and toil. Have I gotten that correctly?

Also, do you think area 51 is about free energy technology? I think so, not sure about the whole alien thing but I'm beginning to think it is about suppressed technology.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Bud you are spot on... It is for control reasons these techs are not released...Why would the common man get up and go to work in the morning if energy was free...



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Because free energy doesn't put food on the table, a roof over your head, or film the porn to masturbate to in all of your free time.

Free energy just substantially reduces the costs involved in acquiring or facilitating resources and the refinement/production thereof.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
I agree that free energy is devastating to the elite, which is why they wont produce water or electric cars. They want us enslaved to oil and expendable energy. My question about money is energy is you are talking about real value, not paper obviously, right? So if work is energy, free energy would eliminate certain jobs, thus a lesser need for money, and with less money dependence we would nit be in so much debt and toil. Have I gotten that correctly?


"Value" is arbitrary... Free energy + robotics removes the need for Human energy and controlled energy. Actually... ALL "jobs" will be eliminated in favor of bliss. Some People's bliss is working on robots, some solving problems, some doctoring, some building, some cooking, some researching, some programming, and so on. The sciences and the arts will flourish.

What free energy eliminates is the need to account for it via money, and thereby eliminates power over others that money allows. Money/power/energy are three forms of the same thing, like ice/water/steam.


Also, do you think area 51 is about free energy technology? I think so, not sure about the whole alien thing but I'm beginning to think it is about suppressed technology.


I do not doubt that Area 51 has some antigravity vehicle research (electrogravitics) with the energy extraction methods sort of a side benefit. BUT... I do think there also is ET tech and ET's. I had a retired Air Force guy insist that He worked at A51 and they DID have ET's. I don't know why He told ME... I was working at the Employment Development Department in No. Las Vegas at the time and He was doing security guard duty there. One day He just started up the conversation, and seemed so earnest, I gave high probability to Him believing what He was telling Me.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by purplemer
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Bud you are spot on... It is for control reasons these techs are not released...Why would the common man get up and go to work in the morning if energy was free...


The "common man" would follow Hume's bliss ("Hume" being a genderless pronoun for "Human"). If that is traveling, painting, cooking, working on robots, solving problems, climbing mountains, camping, whatever... The Betterment Ethic as opposed to the "work ethic" (the slave's ethic - use Your Human energy to enrich the elite slavemasters...) should be stressed.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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Because free energy doesn't put food on the table, a roof over your head, or film the porn to masturbate to in all of your free time.


Actually... It does. If food and roofs are free, if porn is One's bliss to create or to watch, it will be free to One.


Free energy just substantially reduces the costs involved in acquiring or facilitating resources and the refinement/production thereof.


Once the cost of energy is removed all down the line, what is left is free. The first farmer, miner, gatherer, hunter paid nothing for the stuff Their energy created from it. Sun, soil, seed, rain, critters, ores, fruits, nuts, etc. were free. It was Their energy in farming, mining, gathering, hunting, transporting, that gave a "value" to Their stuff.

Only now, in all Our history are We at a place where Human energy can be filled with robots for all necessary jobs no One WANTS to do, and with abundant free energy, ALL COSTS will vanish.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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What free energy eliminates is the need to account for it via money, and thereby eliminates power over others that money allows. Money/power/energy are three forms of the same thing, like ice/water/steam.


It does not remove the need to account for it via money.

Robots are insufficient to replace all tasks. Their use is quite limited. Nanite clouds offer the most potential - being able to assemble structures on the atomic/molecular scale as well as self-replicate (Leatherman multi-tools would be replaced with a chamber containing clouds of nanites and their control interfaces - you could, theoretically, build a boat out of the sand and trace materials on the beach). But that's at least 20 years away (more like 100, depending upon a few other factors).

The point is - even with the penultimate in robotic manufacturing technology (the individually controlled nanite cloud) - key resources are still required; the human initiative and ingenuity, the raw materials, and the time necessary to complete the task (presuming energy is just magically channeled into these things).

In such an age - time and resources would become your ultimate measures against currency. Even with energy-matter conversion utilizing "free" energy devices - time is the ultimate kicker (takes time to generate a given amount of material). The purity of stock materials will be important, as it will reduce the time necessary to manufacture materials. Specialized compounds will be used to simplify the manufacturing process (building an assembled car will require a lot of additional steps, normally - a cloud of nanites can't really assemble all of the parts they 'grow' out of 'feed stock' - so they must be built together in a way so as to be separated later).

Individuals will patent manufacturing methods. They spent a while sitting on their haunch and thinking about how to go about 'growing' something. This will not be as important in "zero G" environments - but that adds another metric. You can't just drop things out of orbit onto a planet - you have to go about it in an orderly fashion, or someone gets a Volkswagen dropped on their head. There's limited space and time to do that.

Specialized facilities on the planet to grow such things in super-dense 'soups' will also be of high value.

Technology's value is always relative to time and what it allows people to do with it. Energy is but one component.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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What free energy eliminates is the need to account for it via money, and thereby eliminates power over others that money allows. Money/power/energy are three forms of the same thing, like ice/water/steam.


It does not remove the need to account for it via money.

Robots are insufficient to replace all tasks. Their use is quite limited. Nanite clouds offer the most potential - being able to assemble structures on the atomic/molecular scale as well as self-replicate (Leatherman multi-tools would be replaced with a chamber containing clouds of nanites and their control interfaces - you could, theoretically, build a boat out of the sand and trace materials on the beach). But that's at least 20 years away (more like 100, depending upon a few other factors).


You're picking nits. Robots - whether humanoid, cloudoid, whatever...


The point is - even with the penultimate in robotic manufacturing technology (the individually controlled nanite cloud) - key resources are still required; the human initiative and ingenuity, the raw materials, and the time necessary to complete the task (presuming energy is just magically channeled into these things).


The planet is nothing BUT resources/raw materials, Human initiative and ingenuity will not be lacking as People follow Their bliss with a Betterment Ethic in place of the slave's ethic (work "ethic"), and time We will all have abundantly. We only need robots for jobs no One WANTS to do.


In such an age - time and resources would become your ultimate measures against currency.


Actually, We will have a SOCIAL currency in the form of fame and veneration. If Your bliss is to cook for Others, You can earn "currency" by serving awesome culinary experiences, and Your name will be on many tongues when the question of good food comes up. And so on.


Even with energy-matter conversion utilizing "free" energy devices - time is the ultimate kicker (takes time to generate a given amount of material).


You make it sound as if that isn't so now. So what. It's not going to require any MORE time. Is this really a good argument against releasing Humanity from the control of the slavemasters...? Really?


The purity of stock materials will be important, as it will reduce the time necessary to manufacture materials.


Same here. You make it sound as if this is not true now but would be when We add free energy. And that is simply not true.


Specialized compounds will be used to simplify the manufacturing process (building an assembled car will require a lot of additional steps, normally - a cloud of nanites can't really assemble all of the parts they 'grow' out of 'feed stock' - so they must be built together in a way so as to be separated later).


Oh. I see. We're still on this nano-cloud thing. Let go of that. It will come in time. Meanwhile, We can improve Our universe immensely with what We have available NOW. Add free energy and remove the cost of energy in all things, and it WILL free Humanity from the present slave position We are in.


Individuals will patent manufacturing methods.


With no money, patents will be moot. But inventors will gain social currency in being the Ones to have invented [whatever it is They invented that made thing better on this planet].


Technology's value is always relative to time and what it allows people to do with it. Energy is but one component.


Energy is a vital aspect - and the one that defines the money involved. But time is only important when either money is involved or when a real problem exists. Without money, only true problems will be solved - and then, in the BEST way, not the most profitable or cheapest way.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Thanks for the book Amaterasu. It looks like a great read.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl12
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Thanks for the book Amaterasu. It looks like a great read.


Most welcome, Q. [smile]

I found it very enlightening, as well as a memory-awakening experience. My father tried to teach Me electrogravitics when I was a toddler. I didn't get the technical details at the time, but I did understand what He said the world I would grow up in would look like...flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use. I remember Him coming home late from work to tell Me We couldn't talk about the flying cars, the "Jetson packs" (He didn't call them that), the floating cities - We couldn't even say the word "electrogravitics" - because "They want it secret for now."

Enjoy the read!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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You're picking nits. Robots - whether humanoid, cloudoid, whatever...


You, really, are in over your head in this conversation.


The planet is nothing BUT resources/raw materials,


And a horribly limited source, at that. Silicon, titanium - those are all plentiful, surely. Germanium, and elements belonging to the "rare earth" and synthetic category, however, will be in much less supply. Interestingly - they are key to many high-tech devices and electronics.


Human initiative and ingenuity will not be lacking as People follow Their bliss with a Betterment Ethic in place of the slave's ethic (work "ethic"),


Do... what?

Betterment ethic? You mean a business ethic. I make something that resolves a problem someone else is having. They reward me for my ingenuity and give me something of their own doing in exchange. Sounds like a betterment ethic. Sounds like business.

Either way - you'll find that the human creativity and ethic to be flawed. For starters - there are not unlimited resources. For others - people, like myself, will be horribly ambitious by comparison to others. I will be building particle accelerators that dwarf the Asteroid belt, if given the opportunity. I will be on a quest for absolutely staggering amounts of resources. Resources that others want to follow their "bliss."

You think war is crazy, now. Just wait until people have the whole of human engineering in their pocket and at their personal disposal.


and time We will all have abundantly.


Hardly. With the increase in human knowledge and capability comes an increase in the potential questions.

You're forgetting that, even in a world of infinite energy, we still only have finite resources and time.


We only need robots for jobs no One WANTS to do.


We need robots for most of our modern industry. Most of the machining in the U.S. today is done by computer. They can perform thousands of measurements per second and control the process within, literally, inhuman standards. The same with diecasting. I remember, "back in the day," sitting in my father's office and watching the printer tick out cycle times and characteristics for the factory floor. Each shot was recorded for temperature, pressure, time, etc - they knew exactly how many shots were fired into each die and knew, statistically, when they would begin to produce casts that were out of tolerance, and where to focus their QA efforts at.

The device you are using, right now, could not be built by humans. The circuitry is too fine and too compact. Billions of MOS gates are etched into a piece of silicon barely the size of your thumb-nail. It is so far beyond human engineering that the schematics for a minor component like the DDR2 memory controller are mostly designed by computer applications with humans working with flow-chart diagrams instead of individual logic gates.

This is one of the things forcing silicon die manufacturing and assembly back into the developed world. While labor costs are cheaper in many parts of developing countries - those countries will, often not let businesses set up shop without using manpower-intensive production lines - which simply cannot, and will not produce products that pass QA.

As industry and the gadgets we use as part of our daily lives continue to improve - what we are able to do, directly, as human beings, begins to change, radically.


Actually, We will have a SOCIAL currency in the form of fame and veneration.


Like Martha Stewart?

There will always exist multiple forms of -wealth-. These will always be capable of being expressed through some medium of exchange - be it a fiat currency, a metallurgical standard, exchange of information, etc.


You make it sound as if that isn't so now. So what. It's not going to require any MORE time. Is this really a good argument against releasing Humanity from the control of the slavemasters...? Really?


Could you, possibly, be any more deluded?

If you haven't noticed; time is the most valuable resource out there. It is one that no one has a monopoly on or the ability to manipulate. It cannot be collected, hoarded, or traded. Inventions that reduced the amount of time necessary for something to be done have served to be the greatest wealth-generators, as they allow time to be diverted and used for other things.

People are no more slaves to another individual than they are slaves to their own inhibitions.

I can go on and on about my abilities. Then I can go on and on about how I'm not utilizing them and how I'm a perfect example of wasted potential.

My problems are not to be blamed on some shadowy figure of my paranoid schizophrenia. I have simply chosen to dream the dream as opposed to work toward it. That choice is mine to break or continue.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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If electrogravitics is a solution to energy concerns then its no surprise its covered up.
There are relativity cheap and effective solutions to all our problems but they wont implement them.
For example that guy in New Zealand who made that plasma machine that turns garbage from a land fill into electricity, garbage in and nothing but electricity out. That should be used all over by now, but they wont implement it.

The main reason they wont let electrogravitics out is because its the propulsion for the secret space program involving flying triangles, stealth planes and so called alien craft.

The only science they are implementing is that which they can use to surveil us or destroy us.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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You're picking nits. Robots - whether humanoid, cloudoid, whatever...


You, really, are in over your head in this conversation.


Rather than make this claim...why don't You illustrate HOW You think this is so? I could make mere claims of You, I suppose, but I won't. I back My claims or I own them - as in, "I think You, really, are in over Your head in this conversation."



The planet is nothing BUT resources/raw materials,


And a horribly limited source, at that. Silicon, titanium - those are all plentiful, surely. Germanium, and elements belonging to the "rare earth" and synthetic category, however, will be in much less supply. Interestingly - they are key to many high-tech devices and electronics.


First, Humans have proven that, with enough energy, We can transmute elements. We turned lead into gold in the 1970's but, because of the cost of the energy, the gold We produced would have cost a million dollars an ounce. Luckily, We have free energy from electrogravitics, making the cost of energy moot.



Human initiative and ingenuity will not be lacking as People follow Their bliss with a Betterment Ethic in place of the slave's ethic (work "ethic"),


Do... what?

Betterment ethic? You mean a business ethic.


No. I mean the BETTERMENT Ethic. Rather than focus on being slaves with a work "ethic," (a "business" ethic whereby Human energy is reaped to the profit of others), We should focus on a BETTERMENT Ethic, as Human energy and money is no longer needed with robotics and the work "ethic" is moot. Humanity would be served well with the Betterment Ethic.


I make something that resolves a problem someone else is having. They reward me for my ingenuity and give me something of their own doing in exchange. Sounds like a betterment ethic. Sounds like business.


Except... With the Betterment Ethic and the lack of need for exchanging something material, it is a social currency that is given: You create a solution to a problem and Your name is venerated. People recognize You, thanking You, and You go down in history as the solver of the problem, as the One that bettered the planet for Your efforts.


Either way - you'll find that the human creativity and ethic to be flawed. For starters - there are not unlimited resources.


Hail to Hume that creates a work-around for these limited resources, eh? Let Us venerate and recognize Hume. What flaw are You seeing?


For others - people, like myself, will be horribly ambitious by comparison to others. I will be building particle accelerators that dwarf the Asteroid belt, if given the opportunity. I will be on a quest for absolutely staggering amounts of resources. Resources that others want to follow their "bliss."


All hail You! You will be paid in fame and collaboration if Your goals are for the betterment. Others may not be so ambitious - so what? We don't need EVERYBODY creating betterment and monumental works - just a very few. And believe Me, there will be the resources necessary, one way or another.

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edit on 12/28/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo




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