Originally posted by JessopJessopJessop
Originally posted by EvanB
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by EvanB
I read this story myself today, totally terrible. The sentence really does fly in the face of common sense.
However, it did state that the girls were Somalians. This does not excuse them for their behaviour but it may offer an explanation in that these girls will have been raised in a war zone and been used to witnessing extreme levels of violence. In my mind, this is one of the potential side effects of immigration - that is to say bringing in people from areas where their is extreme violence may introduce a level of violence into the host society.
As i said, this doesn't excuse the behaviour and jail sentences should certainly have been down. In future though, it may be worth working with immigrants from such places in order to remove any predilections towards violence.
Completely agree
I wonder how many PTSD suffering immigrants there are who have fell through the cracks in the system.
Maybe a full psychological assesment of people escaping war, and treatment, should be introduced.. Maybe it is already? I dont know, but it is clear that immigration authoroties need to drum responsabilities of citizenry and expectations of them before any rights are explained too
I'm not sure that washes though. Seen plenty of extreme violence from born and bred Britons in good communities. Unfortunately their behaviour is probably more a reflection of British society as it is Somalian war trauma.
Go up town on Thursday-Saturday and find as many piss-head mobs violently attacking people as you want. Too many examples I can give you of this sort of behaviour and worse. A migrant could come here from a peaceful country and learn that sort of violence from the locals
Unfortunately the reality is they're using their background as a cop out, as with the alcohol.
Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
reply to post by EvanB
Daily Mail and some blog? Those are the sources on this? Why is it everytime I see a thread about how evil Muslims are attacking white people, it comes from the Daily Mail? EIther they are the only ones taht ever know about this stuff or they are making it up.
Great to see people on ATS just believe anything they are told though. Way to combat ignorance.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Dr Cosma
It's not just Muslims and Jews who do not eat pork. Even in the Bible eating pork is advocated against.
These three religions, in essence, preach the same thing.
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Algernonsmouse
What are you talking about? This story has been reported in most news outlets in the UK and the court records are freely available should you be bothered to look. Why are you trying to deny it happened?
And also, who is spouting the hate? As far as i can tell, most of the comments are basically saying that the rules should be applied to all with an even hand.
If you read reports from any local paper, you'll see that being under the influence of drink/drugs ( especially if it is out of character ) is probably the number one excuse which the defence uses in an attempt to get their client more lenient punishment.
Also, the fact that one of them called the victim a ''white bitch'' strongly suggests that there was far more of a racial motivation to the attack, rather than any religious one.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
If you read reports from any local paper, you'll see that being under the influence of drink/drugs ( especially if it is out of character ) is probably the number one excuse which the defence uses in an attempt to get their client more lenient punishment.
Indeed, it is the status quo. Depending on whether it is alcohol or drugs(judged according to effect on consciousness) a person can act completely out of character.
Also, the fact that one of them called the victim a ''white bitch'' strongly suggests that there was far more of a racial motivation to the attack, rather than any religious one.
How's drunk for motivation?
Or did they pick a target before they got drunk?
Imho, it is disgusting the victim is not compensated in any way and lost her job due to complications from the assault. Yes, they were drunk - but that should not be a sufficient excuse for physical and mental harm inflicted upon the victim. Does that mean laws to compensate for damages and punishing senseless violence do not count for drunk people? Does it mean there are no legal consequences to ones actions when drunk?
